Penetrating Oil Showdown

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In the past few years we have had several discussion on the various penetrating fluids and oils to loosen nuts and bolts. we had presented the use of ATF and Acetone as a very good penetrating oil and has several papers and reports on the mixture.

I found this presentation on most of the popular oils and it is very interesting. Please view and draw your own conclusions

Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs

Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8dkGzJWtg

JR Wright
GMC GreatLaker
GMCMI
GMC Eastern States
Michigan
On Location inTucson
 
John:

Thanks for sharing.

Good information there.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Sullybilt Bags, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"

>
> In the past few years we have had several discussion on the various penetrating fluids and oils to loosen nuts and bolts. we had presented the use of ATF and Acetone as a very good penetrating oil and has several papers and reports on the mixture.
>
> I found this presentation on most of the popular oils and it is very interesting. Please view and draw your own conclusions
>
> Part 1
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs
>
> Part 2
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8dkGzJWtg
>
> JR Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> GMCMI
> GMC Eastern States
> Michigan
> On Location inTucson
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Magic Elixir (acetone and ATF) appears at or near the top of all the studies I've seen which include it and is substantially cheaper than the
commercial stuff, so I use it exclusively. Save your ATF when you change fluid and filter. One THM-425 full is enough to provide elixir for years.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I like this man's attention to detail. That is what makes a study like this valuable.

What does concern me a little is that the AFT he used was a synthetic and was not fully miscible with the acetone. I have always used dino ATF even
though I use synthetic in the 425. I have never seen any phase separation of the mix.

I actually have two or three of those tested on the shelf. Mostly because I had to purchase some when operating remotely. (When you need something,
you buy what you can find.) The AFT/AT MIX I have stores in a leaky pump oil can.

He is right that cost is a secondary consideration.

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
I used acetone and power steering fluid in a 403 that had not been run in 19 years. Bore scope showed rusted cylinder walls at the contact points of
the rings in several cylinders. I could not rotate the engine even with a 5 foot bar on the wrench. I filled the cylinders with the PSF/acetone
mixture and every day that I was at the airport I would try to move the engine. After over a week of soaking, one day I turned the wrench and the
engine turned over easily and now runs like a top. I used that mixture because of the quantity of fluid needed. I did not want to buy that much
Kroil.

Kroil works very well if you give it soaking time measured in days. In all of is tests we saw on the video the soaking time was hours and not days.
Heat with Kroil also works to accelerate the process and reduce the soaking time.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Lemme point out, cheapskate that I am, not only do I use the removed ATF for elixir, I use changed motor oil in the chain oiler on my power saw.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Johnny, be sure that there is no "chunky" stuff in the drain oil that you
put in your bar oiler. When those things get plugged up, bad stuff happens
to your drive sprocket, bar, and chain.
Jim Hupy

On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 1:44 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> Lemme point out, cheapskate that I am, not only do I use the removed ATF
> for elixir, I use changed motor oil in the chain oiler on my power saw.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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I think he made a mistake using synthetic ATF instead of an oil based ATF. He said the acetone did not mix well. Some of the other products were oil based products. I think that regular ATF (or just plain kerosene (which is the base stock for regular ATF would have performed better.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> In the past few years we have had several discussion on the various penetrating fluids and oils to loosen nuts and bolts. we had presented the use of ATF and Acetone as a very good penetrating oil and has several papers and reports on the mixture.
>
> I found this presentation on most of the popular oils and it is very interesting. Please view and draw your own conclusions
>
> Part 1
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUEob2oAKVs
>
> Part 2
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st8dkGzJWtg
>
> JR Wright
> GMC GreatLaker
> GMCMI
> GMC Eastern States
> Michigan
> On Location inTucson
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Yeah and the used motor oil smells way worse when it gets splattered on you
than bar oil

Sully
Bellevue wa

> Johnny, be sure that there is no "chunky" stuff in the drain oil that you
> put in your bar oiler. When those things get plugged up, bad stuff happens
> to your drive sprocket, bar, and chain.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Fri, Dec 28, 2018, 1:44 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
> > Lemme point out, cheapskate that I am, not only do I use the removed ATF
> > for elixir, I use changed motor oil in the chain oiler on my power saw.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me
> > in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
> >
> >
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It's easier to tell when the reservoir is running out - the cut lightens up :)

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Ok JR, you got me hooked. I started going through more of his Youtube videos and came across this.
"Is Flex Glue better than JB Weld, Gorilla & Loctite?"
I think this is even more dramatic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4xX7VecgzA
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Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
 
Jerry,
He’s got lots of test and they are pretty detailed.

JR

>
> Ok JR, you got me hooked. I started going through more of his Youtube videos and came across this.
> "Is Flex Glue better than JB Weld, Gorilla & Lactate?"
> I think this is even more dramatic:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4xX7VecgzA
> --
> Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
> 77 Palm Beach
> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
> A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
>
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All of his ProjectFarm videos are fun to watch and seem well conceived. I figure whatever works on rusted bolts that doesn't require a torch is good
enough.
--
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
 
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