Operating temperatures (more of a trip report)

mark grady

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Went to Chicago on Saturday, then back on Sunday morning for a parade this
afternoon. Anyway, it was hot both days.

I have the correct temp sender (TS-6469). Most of the time, the pointer is
just under the 1/2 mark. I have the 2705/7 clutch, the small stamped water
impeller, a 2 year old radiator on a 403, all stock, rebuilt distributor,
new timing chain, etc.

On our last trip, I hadn't heard the fan once during the whole trip. I had
gotten a 2747 that I was getting ready to put on Friday night. Side note to
this posting: I have a checklist I use before we take a trip. So does my
wife. Here's part of her list:

1). Have you changed anything on the GMC since our last trip, if so, what
and when?
2). Has it been tested on a short trip before we leave Indiana?

Of course, the 2747 wouldn't pass item 1 or 2, so it was put on a "scheduled
hold" much like NASA. I was grousing around, worried about the whole thing.
Anyway, the 2747 went in the closet, not under the hood.

We had no problem going to or driving around the Chicagoland area, but the
temp pointer was more on the 1/2 mark than usual. Never heard the fan clutch
engage. We had the A/C on regular, not max, and were quite comfortable. On
high A/C fan, I could get the veranda/pilot's area below comfort to 65
degrees. (I was wearing shorts, too cold on my legs.) I kept the fan on 3/4
setting and was happy. The A/C clutch/belt took more wear and tear, I could
hear the belt chirp when the clutch would re-engage at highway speeds.

Driving around town, no roar, and the temp pointer was right on the 1/2
mark. A/C still worked fine, but I switched to MAX to keep the 9 occupants
cool in the back. (we also ran the Onan and rear A/C part of the time to
keep the coach 'chilled' while running errands.) A bank sign in Crestwood
showed 96 degrees.

One little hiccup going up a hill in Orland Park, we'd sat at a construction
tie up for about 20 minutes, then taken off. Almost like a vapor lock type
of condition, but just two little hiccups and we were over the crest of the
hill and had picked up 30~40 mph of speed. I downshifted to 2nd and we were
coasting to the next light. Like Larry says, pucker factor on high, but the
problem went away. Got to thinking about Arch's
'stand-by-your-electric-fuel-pump-switches men' solution for a minute
though.

Driving back on Sunday morning, we were a little pressed for time and
followed a state trooper (at an appropriate distance) in no traffic from the
IN/IL state line to Plymouth, IN on US 30. At that speed, the temp gauge was
about 1/2 a needle width above the 1/2 mark. BTW, it was 88 degrees on the
trip back in the cool of the morning, if there is such a thing. From
Plymouth home at more 'civilian' speeds, the needle was a full width below
the 1/2 way mark.

Bottom line -- about 320 miles round trip, 38 miles city driving, looks like
8.1 mpg overall.

Now, I'll change the fan clutch and see what I think the next time out. I
doubt it will be so stinkin' hot, so it'll for sure be better.

I don't think we had the good solid cold A/C I'd like driving in town
because the fan clutch was to lazy moving enough air, and I think that the
temps were higher than I'd like on the highway for the same reason.

Mark
 
Mark:

I had similar experiences this past weekend. Had our company picnic =
about
25 miles N of Battle Creek @ Charlton Park (excellent location and
amenities). Ambient temperature wasn't too bad going there in the late
morning, maybe 86ish Deg F.

Since I hadn't been able to get to tightening the A/C compressor belt, =
we
made it comfortably with just the windows open. On the return it was a
different story, as it was 93 deg F. Ran the generator and roof A/C =
all the
way back home. However, about 20 minutes down the road, experienced a =
lack
of power and rough engine operation, but was able to maintain speed.
Meanwhile, the water temperature climbed from 210 to 225 deg F and I =
was
beginning to think I would have to pull over and get help. After three
miles all of a sudden the engine regained its smoothness.

On startup from two subsequent stoplights, there was a momentary engine
hesitation. Made it the rest of the way home, `30 miles without =
further
problems.

Although I have driven in warmer climate previously without an engine
hesitation, I concluded that I was experiencing some vapor lock.

Saturday morning, prior to departing for the Michigan Speedway, I =
decided to
wrap the fuel pump-to carburetor gas line with aluminum foil (not the
easiest thing to do given the clearances). Also took the time to =
tighten
the A/C compressor belt and recharge the compressor. Although it was =
just as
hot Saturday as it was Friday, only experienced vapor lock once upon
acceleration from a stop.

I'm also thinking electric fuel pump. However, by the time I get =
around to
installing one, we'll probably be seeing snow!

Paul Bartz

From: Mark Grady [mailto:mgrady]
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 1999 10:57 PM
Subject: GMC: Operating temperatures (more of a trip report)

Went to Chicago on Saturday, then back on Sunday morning for a parade =
this
afternoon. Anyway, it was hot both days.

I have the correct temp sender (TS-6469). Most of the time, the pointer =
is
just under the 1/2 mark. I have the 2705/7 clutch, the small stamped =
water
impeller, a 2 year old radiator on a 403, all stock, rebuilt =
distributor,
new timing chain, etc.

On our last trip, I hadn't heard the fan once during the whole trip. I =
had
gotten a 2747 that I was getting ready to put on Friday night. Side =
note to
this posting: I have a checklist I use before we take a trip. So does =
my
wife. Here's part of her list:

1). Have you changed anything on the GMC since our last trip, if so, =
what
and when? 2). Has it been tested on a short trip before we leave =
Indiana?

Of course, the 2747 wouldn't pass item 1 or 2, so it was put on a =
"scheduled
hold" much like NASA. I was grousing around, worried about the whole =
thing.
anyway, the 2747 went in the closet, not under the hood.

We had no problem going to or driving around the Chicagoland area, but =
the
temp pointer was more on the 1/2 mark than usual. Never heard the fan =
clutch
engage. We had the A/C on regular, not max, and were quite comfortable. =
On
high A/C fan, I could get the veranda/pilot's area below comfort to 65
degrees. (I was wearing shorts, too cold on my legs.) I kept the fan on =
=BE
setting and was happy. The A/C clutch/belt took more wear and tear, I =
could
hear the belt chirp when the clutch would re-engage at highway speeds.

Driving around town, no roar, and the temp pointer was right on the =BD =
mark.
A/C still worked fine, but I switched to MAX to keep the 9 occupants =
cool in
the back. (we also ran the Onan and rear A/C part of the time to keep =
the
coach 'chilled' while running errands.) A bank sign in Crestwood showed =
96
degrees.

One little hiccup going up a hill in Orland Park, we'd sat at a =
construction
tie up for about 20 minutes, then taken off. Almost like a vapor lock =
type
of condition, but just two little hiccups and we were over the crest of =
the
hill and had picked up 30~40 mph of speed. I downshifted to 2nd and we =
were
coasting to the next light. Like Larry says, pucker factor on high, but =
the
problem went away. Got to thinking about Arch's
'stand-by-your-electric-fuel-pump-switches men' solution for a minute
though.

Driving back on Sunday morning, we were a little pressed for time and
followed a state trooper (at an appropriate distance) in no traffic =
from the
IN/IL state line to Plymouth, IN on US 30. At that speed, the temp =
gauge was
about 1/2 a needle width above the 1/2 mark. BTW, it was 88 degrees on =
the
trip back in the cool of the morning, if there is such a thing. From
Plymouth home at more 'civilian' speeds, the needle was a full width =
below
the 1/2 way mark.

Bottom line -- about 320 miles round trip, 38 miles city driving, looks =
like
8.1 mpg overall.

Now, I'll change the fan clutch and see what I think the next time out. =
I
doubt it will be so stinkin' hot, so it'll for sure be better.

I don't think we had the good solid cold A/C I'd like driving in town
because the fan clutch was to lazy moving enough air, and I think that =
the
temps were higher than I'd like on the highway for the same reason.
 
> Went to Chicago on Saturday, then back on Sunday morning for a parade this
> afternoon. Anyway, it was hot both days............
>
> I don't think we had the good solid cold A/C I'd like driving in town
> because the fan clutch was to lazy moving enough air, and I think that the
> temps were higher than I'd like on the highway for the same reason.
>
> Mark

Mark (and any one else who has an opinion),Please elaborate. Are you thinking
that the ability of the fan clutch to engage and move air (through the
condenser) at highway speeds will have a impact on the AC's cooling capacity? I
had not thought much about never hearing my fan "roar"--- as others report I
should--- since my engine's coolant never gets hotter than a 1/2 gauge reading
with the temp. sender upgraded per Cinnabar's recommendation. However, if the
clutch doesn't engage, i.e., the engine doesn't get hot enough, then all you
will have is the ram air from the coach's moving down the highway to cool the
condenser. Could this be a reason to go a clutch that engages a lower temps?
Thanks,
Phil Stewart
'76 Transmode, TN
 
Phil --

With the 2705/7 clutch I have now, there was no 'roar' in city driving, and
I'm sure that this 'lazy' fan decreased the efficiency of the dash A/C. My
old (original) clutch roared in city driving and we always had very cold
dash A/C. (Although there were only a few times we drove in 96 degree
temps).

On the highway, my old clutch never let the engine get above the 1/2 way
mark, and I heard it after a hill climb or when I'd crowd it a little harder
(like following a state trooper) :-)

I think you're right that on the highway, ram air does a good job for the
dash A/C, I had sharply cold discharge temps on both normal and max
settings. I the city, discharge temps were not as sharply cold.

I guess to sum it up, I don't feel that the clutch I have now (2705/07) is
adequate in terms of air flow or engagement. I don't overheat, but I'd like
the comfort of hearing it now and again to know its working.

Mark

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Original message:

|Mark Grady
|> I don't think we had the good solid cold A/C I'd like driving in town
|> because the fan clutch was to lazy moving enough air, and I
|> think that the
|> temps were higher than I'd like on the highway for the same reason.
|>
|> Mark

|Phil Stewart
|
|Mark (and any one else who has an opinion),Please elaborate. Are
|you thinking
|that the ability of the fan clutch to engage and move air (through the
|condenser) at highway speeds will have a impact on the AC's
|cooling capacity? I
|had not thought much about never hearing my fan "roar"--- as
|others report I
|should--- since my engine's coolant never gets hotter than a 1/2
|gauge reading
|with the temp. sender upgraded per Cinnabar's recommendation.
|However, if the
|clutch doesn't engage, i.e., the engine doesn't get hot enough,
|then all you
|will have is the ram air from the coach's moving down the highway
|to cool the
|condenser. Could this be a reason to go a clutch that engages a
|lower temps?
|Thanks,
|Phil Stewart
|'76 Transmode, TN