Onan or Generac?

I can usually heal the original boards, >if< the relays are still good. Replacing therm requires two relays and a means to mount them - which is a
P.I. A. since they're subject to vibration. If you simply 'shotgun' the capacitors and diodes, which will cost less than $5 and a bit of soldering
time, the boards usually work. You can repair burnt traces but it's tedious. The original Dinosaur boards didn't want the STOP switch held down
beyond the time it took for the engine to completely stop. I got one which burned up the series resistor for the run relay. I understand they've
improved it in later production. If you're a purist, repair the board or get hold of me about January and I'll see if I can gin you up a working
one. If you're not a purist, contact Jim Miller and get one of the new replacements.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
We stock both the Dyno and Flight boards .

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 6:11 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> I can usually heal the original boards, >if< the relays are still good.
> Replacing therm requires two relays and a means to mount them - which is a
> P.I. A. since they're subject to vibration. If you simply 'shotgun' the
> capacitors and diodes, which will cost less than $5 and a bit of soldering
> time, the boards usually work. You can repair burnt traces but it's
> tedious. The original Dinosaur boards didn't want the STOP switch held down
> beyond the time it took for the engine to completely stop. I got one
> which burned up the series resistor for the run relay. I understand they've
> improved it in later production. If you're a purist, repair the board or
> get hold of me about January and I'll see if I can gin you up a working
> one. If you're not a purist, contact Jim Miller and get one of the new
> replacements.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
>
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Johnny B.:
What’s the cost of one of your ginned up boards? I can wait till Jan. so may consider that!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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>
> We stock both the Dyno and Flight boards .
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 6:11 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
>> I can usually heal the original boards, >if< the relays are still good.
>> Replacing therm requires two relays and a means to mount them - which is a
>> P.I. A. since they're subject to vibration. If you simply 'shotgun' the
>> capacitors and diodes, which will cost less than $5 and a bit of soldering
>> time, the boards usually work. You can repair burnt traces but it's
>> tedious. The original Dinosaur boards didn't want the STOP switch held down
>> beyond the time it took for the engine to completely stop. I got one
>> which burned up the series resistor for the run relay. I understand they've
>> improved it in later production. If you're a purist, repair the board or
>> get hold of me about January and I'll see if I can gin you up a working
>> one. If you're not a purist, contact Jim Miller and get one of the new
>> replacements.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
>> in hell
>>
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Mike - they're freebies, I don't want support responsibility on fifty year old electronics any more than Jim Miller does, nor do I want to be tied to
a timetable. I fiddle with them when I'm bored. Remind me in January if I haven;t run any up by then.
I'm slower than usual this winter, I contracted to get a pair of microwave shots up and running in the city. Trying to coordinate licensing, riggers,
suppliers, and the stations involved. It's like herding kittens.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Thanks Johnny B.:
Will do and good luck w/ your herding of Kittens!
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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>
> Mike - they're freebies, I don't want support responsibility on fifty year old electronics any more than Jim Miller does, nor do I want to be tied to
> a timetable. I fiddle with them when I'm bored. Remind me in January if I haven;t run any up by then.
> I'm slower than usual this winter, I contracted to get a pair of microwave shots up and running in the city. Trying to coordinate licensing, riggers,
> suppliers, and the stations involved. It's like herding kittens.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
>
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That Ford 300 inline 6 was one of the best motors ever made.
I worked for an uncle that had a Ford flatbed truck that was his dads over 400000 miles on it when I started using it.
Over 500000 when I was done and may still be running for all I know.
Just regular oil changes and nothing fancy.

> Johnny
> You missed the point of my post. You had posted "most reliable was a 30KW Onan which had a 300 CID Ford truck motor running on natural gas with a
> propane backup system."
>
> I was responding, tongue in cheek, to that sentence. I was asking if the 30KW Onan would fit into the Onan compartment on a 23 foot.
> It was meant to be humorous. I was not asking if the engine would replace the 455 or 403 engines in our motorhomes. I know a 300 cid Ford engine
> would not work in our motorhomes.
>
> I also knew that a 30 kWh generator would't fit either!
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>

> >
> > Emory, it won't fit, it's an inline six and the fan would be in front of the grille. And compared to the 455 as prime mover it's a little
> > short on
> > oomph. :)
> >
> > Question for Jim K - is the current Emerald series the belt drive system with the vertical shaft V twin running 2400 RPM? Fitted one in our
> > bread
> > truck and it worked well.
> >
> > As to heat pumps, I put one in the front of the 23'. Which still had the furnace fortunately, because below 40 degrees, they shut down.
> > Perfect for
> > a chilly morning to get the chill out while the coffee perks but not much for cold unless there's a heat strip- in there too. I'd keep the
> > furnace
> > 'just in case'.
> >
> > And as to Generac, they built a variable speed 3600 Watt genset with multiple windings to get the best of both inverter and inertia sets. It
> > was a
> > great idea, and if it hadn't been built to a price point it might have been a practical one as well. Disfortunately, it was lacking some
> > circuitry and
> > windings to keep it working over time. Ask Ken Henderson about his trials and tribulations with one. I gave mine to Briere along with the
> > 23' which
> > had a Freight, Harbor genset installed in place of the Generac. He may have changed back, or may not have. He wanted it, I sure didn't,
> > it's gone.
> >
> > --johnny
> >
>
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Well got it installed....quite a challenge sadly because this coach has a factory installed rear heater that takes up some of the generator bay. Next
will be wiring it, fuel line muffler and insulation for the box.
--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced? You have me curiously intrigued
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
New people Ned to read some conversation and learn to didcribe their coach
so we do not need to ask them back to clarify.
I have few owners that have no clue of what their coach is about and refuse
to call us for help.
Good example is the sewer tank.
Lot of you think having a single tank is standard for most RV.
Well your clueless as the standard for 50 years is two tanks. Gray and
Blsck.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:38 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

> What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced?
> You have me curiously intrigued
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> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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> What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced? You have me curiously intrigued

As JimK was alluding too.....my coach is a Hughes converted transmode. This unit was custom ordered and optioned with a engine coolant rear heater
installed. It has a fan attached to a thermostat and the heater is installed in the left side rear bench seat. In order for it to work correctly it is
boxed into the generator bay forward section basically removing half the battery area and only leaving about 26 inches for a generator. The couple
that ordered this unit lived in Canada and i suspect with our 4 seasons didnt want to freeze in the thing when headed south in the late fall.....lol.

--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
It really helps when an owner will state the model.
Coachman is another one along with couple other models.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 10:44 AM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <

> > What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced?
> You have me curiously intrigued
>
> As JimK was alluding too.....my coach is a Hughes converted transmode.
> This unit was custom ordered and optioned with a engine coolant rear heater
> installed. It has a fan attached to a thermostat and the heater is
> installed in the left side rear bench seat. In order for it to work
> correctly it is
> boxed into the generator bay forward section basically removing half the
> battery area and only leaving about 26 inches for a generator. The couple
> that ordered this unit lived in Canada and i suspect with our 4 seasons
> didnt want to freeze in the thing when headed south in the late
> fall.....lol.
>
>
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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1-800-752-7502
 
> It really helps when an owner will state the model.
> Coachman is another one along with couple other models.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 10:44 AM tonka6cuda6--- via Gmclist <

>

> >> What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced?
> > You have me curiously intrigued
> >
> > As JimK was alluding too.....my coach is a Hughes converted transmode.
> > This unit was custom ordered and optioned with a engine coolant rear heater
> > installed. It has a fan attached to a thermostat and the heater is
> > installed in the left side rear bench seat. In order for it to work
> > correctly it is
> > boxed into the generator bay forward section basically removing half the
> > battery area and only leaving about 26 inches for a generator. The couple
> > that ordered this unit lived in Canada and i suspect with our 4 seasons
> > didnt want to freeze in the thing when headed south in the late
> > fall.....lol.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Mondor,
> >
> > Brockville, ON
> >
> > 77 Hughes 2600
> >
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Guess im guilty of that as it seems everyone has it in there signiture at the bottom of the post so i assumed.....my bad.

--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
I agree Jim,

I was surprised to learn of separate gray and black tanks. Thought it was
something new! I'm only two years into owning an RV so everything is still
a discovery... You and Matt Colie were the first people to give me their
time, explaining the way of the GMC. I'll always appreciate that!

Maybe someday I will put a gray tank onto my palm beach.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:27 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> New people Ned to read some conversation and learn to didcribe their coach
> so we do not need to ask them back to clarify.
> I have few owners that have no clue of what their coach is about and refuse
> to call us for help.
> Good example is the sewer tank.
> Lot of you think having a single tank is standard for most RV.
> Well your clueless as the standard for 50 years is two tanks. Gray and
> Blsck.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:38 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

>
> > What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced?
> > You have me curiously intrigued
> > --
> > John Lebetski
> > Woodstock, IL
> > 77 Eleganza II
> >
> >
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I have been exposed to RV since my college days in 1962 so GMC
Was nothing new, but weird in the way the had the Automotive arrogance
applied to the coach.
When I purchase one in 1980 I imidiatly squired all the information and
contacts in the nation and local.
Back then there were no internet so it was a struggle till I going through
local GMC Club.
I say 95% of owners are great people to know and to associate with.
The other 5% can go elsewhere .it really surprises me when people need
parts and have no clue that there are GMC Motorhome parts suppliers and we
can advise them on how to.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 6:26 AM Will via Gmclist
wrote:

> I agree Jim,
>
> I was surprised to learn of separate gray and black tanks. Thought it was
> something new! I'm only two years into owning an RV so everything is still
> a discovery... You and Matt Colie were the first people to give me their
> time, explaining the way of the GMC. I'll always appreciate that!
>
> Maybe someday I will put a gray tank onto my palm beach.
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 1:27 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

>
> > New people Ned to read some conversation and learn to didcribe their
> coach
> > so we do not need to ask them back to clarify.
> > I have few owners that have no clue of what their coach is about and
> refuse
> > to call us for help.
> > Good example is the sewer tank.
> > Lot of you think having a single tank is standard for most RV.
> > Well your clueless as the standard for 50 years is two tanks. Gray and
> > Blsck.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:38 AM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

> >
> > > What is " factory installed rear heater". Is this coolant heat sourced?
> > > You have me curiously intrigued
> > > --
> > > John Lebetski
> > > Woodstock, IL
> > > 77 Eleganza II
> > >
> > >
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> > --
> > Jim Kanomata
> > Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> > jimk
> > http://www.appliedgmcrvparts.com
> > 1-800-752-7502
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1-800-752-7502
 
"You can lead a horse....". Some people Know already, can't even suggest anything to them. Look at them thisaway - in the long term you'll sell them
or their successor both the correct part they cheaped out on and the proper parts to fi8x what broke from the failure of the el cheapo part.

And anent the 300 CID Ford engine, I believe they still make it as an industrial engine. I might be wrong. I first met it as a 240CID in Econolines,
not to be confused with the manifold-cast-in-head Ford inline six family. A few sedans saw the 300, and a lot of trucks. If you get the heavy duty
(sodium filled exhaust valves, rotaters, etc.) they will run forever.

--johnny

--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Back to original post title, I say Onan Power Drawer as it was made to GM criteria. Mine starts in any weather with no primmer add-on. I pulled the
unit and cleaned up and reloomed the wiring undoing PO mess. Also put board on bench and redid any bad solder joints. New O ring on main carb needle.
Replaced carbon core ignition wires with magcore. No electronic ignition. It's been rock solid ever since. Never decarboned. At some point I should
do bearing and brushes
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
John,
Because you maintain it and use it.
Most have no clue as to what need to have done.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

> Back to original post title, I say Onan Power Drawer as it was made to GM
> criteria. Mine starts in any weather with no primmer add-on. I pulled the
> unit and cleaned up and reloomed the wiring undoing PO mess. Also put
> board on bench and redid any bad solder joints. New O ring on main carb
> needle.
> Replaced carbon core ignition wires with magcore. No electronic ignition.
> It's been rock solid ever since. Never decarboned. At some point I should
> do bearing and brushes
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
>
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1-800-752-7502
 
It depends on what you are starting with. Many buy a coach with an Onan
even more abused than the rest of it.

Mine was plain worn out. There was no air filter installed and who knows
how long that had been missing. It blew smoke and covered the back third of
the coach with a sheen of oil. It left a puddle of oil which was not from
the usual causes, which I had tried to fix. The exhaust was cracked and had
charred a part of the enclosure—I couldn’t fix that and just had to clamp a
sheet-metal patch over the cracked part so it wouldn’t set the coach on
fire. The carb was leaking, the control board relays were like they all
are, and the wiring a mess. I was going to have to do a full overhaul on
the thing, at who knows what cost. It worked no more than half the times I
wanted to use it, and even when running would turn itself off with no
warning or pattern. I spent hours rebuilding that control board, and in
those days there wasn’t a replacement. Didn’t work anyway. I’ve never had
much luck bringing dead relays back.

Unlike the 455, the Onan was not my hobby and I still work.

I don’t miss it. Not even when I had to pull the flywheel on the Generac to
replace the shaft speed sensor.

Rick “glad yours is reliable” Denney

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 3:04 PM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

> Back to original post title, I say Onan Power Drawer as it was made to GM
> criteria. Mine starts in any weather with no primmer add-on. I pulled the
> unit and cleaned up and reloomed the wiring undoing PO mess. Also put
> board on bench and redid any bad solder joints. New O ring on main carb
> needle.
> Replaced carbon core ignition wires with magcore. No electronic ignition.
> It's been rock solid ever since. Never decarboned. At some point I should
> do bearing and brushes
>
--
'73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
 
Jim Miller should have one that is is in good shape.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:17 PM Richard Denney via Gmclist <

> It depends on what you are starting with. Many buy a coach with an Onan
> even more abused than the rest of it.
>
> Mine was plain worn out. There was no air filter installed and who knows
> how long that had been missing. It blew smoke and covered the back third of
> the coach with a sheen of oil. It left a puddle of oil which was not from
> the usual causes, which I had tried to fix. The exhaust was cracked and had
> charred a part of the enclosure—I couldn’t fix that and just had to clamp a
> sheet-metal patch over the cracked part so it wouldn’t set the coach on
> fire. The carb was leaking, the control board relays were like they all
> are, and the wiring a mess. I was going to have to do a full overhaul on
> the thing, at who knows what cost. It worked no more than half the times I
> wanted to use it, and even when running would turn itself off with no
> warning or pattern. I spent hours rebuilding that control board, and in
> those days there wasn’t a replacement. Didn’t work anyway. I’ve never had
> much luck bringing dead relays back.
>
> Unlike the 455, the Onan was not my hobby and I still work.
>
> I don’t miss it. Not even when I had to pull the flywheel on the Generac to
> replace the shaft speed sensor.
>
> Rick “glad yours is reliable” Denney
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 3:04 PM John R. Lebetski via Gmclist <

>
> > Back to original post title, I say Onan Power Drawer as it was made to GM
> > criteria. Mine starts in any weather with no primmer add-on. I pulled the
> > unit and cleaned up and reloomed the wiring undoing PO mess. Also put
> > board on bench and redid any bad solder joints. New O ring on main carb
> > needle.
> > Replaced carbon core ignition wires with magcore. No electronic ignition.
> > It's been rock solid ever since. Never decarboned. At some point I
> should
> > do bearing and brushes
> >
> --
> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
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