onan fuel pump

I've been using a cheap (MrGasket?) low pressure pump from AutoZone for
many years now. Works great.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist
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> It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
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> Suggestions?
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> Thanks!
>
> Len and Pat Novak
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Or, Jim's got the direct replacement at www.gmcrvparts.com

> I've been using a cheap (MrGasket?) low pressure pump from AutoZone for
> many years now. Works great.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist <

>
>> It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
>>
>> Suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Len and Pat Novak
>> 1978 GMC Kingsley
>> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
>> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
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>> www.bdub.net/novak/
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Since we were told to stay home my our illustrious and benevolent Governor I
have been working on the coach. The fuel pressure/flow is so low it won't
fill up the bowl and the pump never cuts out.

Thanks!

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] onan fuel pump

I've been using a cheap (MrGasket?) low pressure pump from AutoZone for
many years now. Works great.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist

wrote:

> It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Len and Pat Novak
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
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> www.bdub.net/novak/
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> It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost

If it is the original Bendix type pump then I’d recommend you disassemble it and clean the shuttle assembly and check valve and then re-evaluate its performance. Have you tried to run it without the integral fuel filter?

Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
 
Sir, maybe try taking apart and cleaning. Not much to them. Worst thing that could happen is you would have to replace it.

> Since we were told to stay home my our illustrious and benevolent Governor I
> have been working on the coach. The fuel pressure/flow is so low it won't
> fill up the bowl and the pump never cuts out.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Len and Pat Novak
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] onan fuel pump
>
> I've been using a cheap (MrGasket?) low pressure pump from AutoZone for
> many years now. Works great.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist
>

>
> > It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Len and Pat Novak
> > 1978 GMC Kingsley
> > The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> > Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
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I finally got it to start and it ran for about 20 min or so. Thinking the
seals were dry. I also found an electric "Century" on/off valve just
before the pump and filter. The line from the pump to the carb is
interesting, old, greee, frayed..............something to do while we are
stuck at home.

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Sir, maybe try taking apart and cleaning. Not much to them. Worst thing
that could happen is you would have to replace it.

> Since we were told to stay home my our illustrious and benevolent Governor
I
> have been working on the coach. The fuel pressure/flow is so low it won't
> fill up the bowl and the pump never cuts out.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Len and Pat Novak
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
>
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> Massey via Gmclist
> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM
> To: GMCnet
> Cc: Billy Massey
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] onan fuel pump
>
> I've been using a cheap (MrGasket?) low pressure pump from AutoZone for
> many years now. Works great.
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, 3:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist
>

>
> > It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
> >
> > Suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Len and Pat Novak
> > 1978 GMC Kingsley
> > The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> > Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
> >
> > www.bdub.net/novak/
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Len,

Frequently, mere disassembling and cleaning those pumps restores them to
"like new".

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 4:17 PM Len Novak via Gmclist <

> It appears the original fuel pump on my Onan is giving up the ghost
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Len and Pat Novak
> 1978 GMC Kingsley
> The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
> Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
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I disassembled and cleaned my original pump several times and it still would fail when it got hot. I finally replaced it with a Mr Gasket pump and
had two failures on those as well. Bought a direct replacement Facet from Applied and have had good luck with it, although it stopped working when
hot one time last Summer. I'm considering relocating it outside of the generator compartment so it doesn't get so hot.
--
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
 
That fuel solenoid is a vestigial device from when the Onan was plucked from lawn tractor duty. The Onan engineer gave a seminar at Eau Claire rally.
Lawn tractor had higher mounted tank gravity feed. Could cause carb flood over and garage fires. If carb float did not seat. Not needed with our
belly tanks.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
> I disassembled and cleaned my original pump several times and it still would fail when it got hot. I finally replaced it with a Mr Gasket pump
> and had two failures on those as well. Bought a direct replacement Facet from Applied and have had good luck with it, although it stopped working
> when hot one time last Summer. I'm considering relocating it outside of the generator compartment so it doesn't get so hot.

The Mr. Gasket (#42S I think) one I had failed shortly after installation too. It comes with a filter and where the two parts of the filter were
"crimped" together failed. The pump sucked air and died. If you use one, don't use the filter that comes with it get a different one. I ended up
getting a Facet pump.
--
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan
 
That same Bendix / Facet / Purolator / NAPA pump is used on low wing carburetor airplanes as a boost pump. The only difference is the bottom piece
that holds the filter in place has a tab on it for safety wire. The other difference is because it says FAA on it, they cost 3 times the price.

We never replace the pumps. We always take them apart, clean an polish them if necessary, and reinstall them with a new gasket and filter. The
gasket and filter is available from NAPA. It use to cost around $10.00 and have a NAPA number because NAPA sells or sold the pumps under their
Balkamp name. I have one of those kits hanging on a peg at the airport. Unfortunately I am not there to find the number. They are very common
around airports that work on Continental or Lycoming powered aircraft engines. Those bottom gaskets do wear out or harden and usually need to be
replaced after 20 to 30 years of use. I have never seen a pump so broken that it needed to be replaced.

There is nothing much inside on except a check ball, a slide, and some springs. Open it up by turning the big nut on the bottom, clean it up
(especially the check ball), and replace the filter and the gasket.

I tried to find the filter and gasket on NAPA's web site and failed. The NAPA part numbers for the complete pump is NAP87SV or BK6101074. At my
local NAPA, which I seldom visit, the kit is on a card hanging on a peg in the store.

That pump has been around for 60 years. It has been used on everything from John Deers, to Onans, to 1970s GMC Jimmys, to my Grumman. Replacement
prices for the entire pump are also all over the place starting at around $85 to over $250 for airplane versions.

The in line fuel solenoid also is important and can get clogged. They can be cleaned with carb cleaner. A lot of people have removed them and two
things can happen. If you have your Onan fuel line teed into the fuel line for the main engine like they did on the Royale and other non-GM upfitted
coaches and if the onan carb needle and seat sticks open or the bowl is dry, the main engine pump will suck air through the Onan carb. The engine
will die from fuel starvation. It will run off of the aux tank.

The second thing that can happen on all coaches is if needle and seat leaks at all, the gas in the line will return to the tank. The Onan will then
be hard to start because the pump has to pull all of the air out of the line again before it can supply gas to the Onan. I suspect that is why many
people install a prime switch on the Onan to get around that problem.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Not much to it really. Popped it apart, cleaned it up, used some aviation
Permatex to seal that gasket and bolted it back together. Now to replace
the fuel line from the pump to the carb.................kinds fell apart.

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Ken
Burton via Gmclist
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 12:40 AM
To: gmclist
Cc: Ken Burton
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] onan fuel pump

That same Bendix / Facet / Purolator / NAPA pump is used on low wing
carburetor airplanes as a boost pump. The only difference is the bottom
piece
that holds the filter in place has a tab on it for safety wire. The other
difference is because it says FAA on it, they cost 3 times the price.

We never replace the pumps. We always take them apart, clean an polish them
if necessary, and reinstall them with a new gasket and filter. The
gasket and filter is available from NAPA. It use to cost around $10.00 and
have a NAPA number because NAPA sells or sold the pumps under their
Balkamp name. I have one of those kits hanging on a peg at the airport.
Unfortunately I am not there to find the number. They are very common
around airports that work on Continental or Lycoming powered aircraft
engines. Those bottom gaskets do wear out or harden and usually need to be
replaced after 20 to 30 years of use. I have never seen a pump so broken
that it needed to be replaced.

There is nothing much inside on except a check ball, a slide, and some
springs. Open it up by turning the big nut on the bottom, clean it up
(especially the check ball), and replace the filter and the gasket.

I tried to find the filter and gasket on NAPA's web site and failed. The
NAPA part numbers for the complete pump is NAP87SV or BK6101074. At my
local NAPA, which I seldom visit, the kit is on a card hanging on a peg in
the store.

That pump has been around for 60 years. It has been used on everything from
John Deers, to Onans, to 1970s GMC Jimmys, to my Grumman. Replacement
prices for the entire pump are also all over the place starting at around
$85 to over $250 for airplane versions.

The in line fuel solenoid also is important and can get clogged. They can
be cleaned with carb cleaner. A lot of people have removed them and two
things can happen. If you have your Onan fuel line teed into the fuel line
for the main engine like they did on the Royale and other non-GM upfitted
coaches and if the onan carb needle and seat sticks open or the bowl is dry,
the main engine pump will suck air through the Onan carb. The engine
will die from fuel starvation. It will run off of the aux tank.

The second thing that can happen on all coaches is if needle and seat leaks
at all, the gas in the line will return to the tank. The Onan will then
be hard to start because the pump has to pull all of the air out of the line
again before it can supply gas to the Onan. I suspect that is why many
people install a prime switch on the Onan to get around that problem.

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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Pulled that pump apart, works like a champ! I did have to replace the pump
to carb fuel line. Not that difficult.

Thanks all!

Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375

www.bdub.net/novak/

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Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 9:56 PM
To: gmclist
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] onan fuel pump

> I disassembled and cleaned my original pump several times and it still
would fail when it got hot. I finally replaced it with a Mr Gasket pump
> and had two failures on those as well. Bought a direct replacement Facet
from Applied and have had good luck with it, although it stopped working
> when hot one time last Summer. I'm considering relocating it outside of
the generator compartment so it doesn't get so hot.

The Mr. Gasket (#42S I think) one I had failed shortly after installation
too. It comes with a filter and where the two parts of the filter were
"crimped" together failed. The pump sucked air and died. If you use one,
don't use the filter that comes with it get a different one. I ended up
getting a Facet pump.
--
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan

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