OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Burt,

More excellent suggestions!

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Les Burt
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2016 2:20 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Rob,
You have received some decent recommendations with regards to getting a dog. I won't waste your time repeating what has already been
said. I do have some suggestions that haven't been mentioned.

Before I continue, I'd like to mention that I've had dogs all my life, starting with a variety of mixed breed rescue dogs. I've
been active in agility and obedience competitions, as well as field trials. Currently I compete (for fun) with a purebred female
Vizsla (Hungarian pointer).

The Vizsla breed shares similarities with the GSP and the Weim. Additionally, they have low odour, short fur, and some cat-like
behavioural traits. They are demanding when young, but as they age, they simmer down substantially. When sufficiently exercised,
they can be big couch potatoes the rest of the day. They are also extremely affectionate and like to cuddle, much like a lapdog if
you allow it. You might want to look at the Vizsla (AKA the Velcro dog) as a potential candidate.

Ok, on to my suggestions.

1) if you are strongly considering a hunting breed, you can burn off a good portion of their energy with treadmill training. We
started our vizsla as a puppy on the treadmill, and now we can't run on it without her participating. She will often tell us when
she wants to run on it. The treadmill might be of benefit to you as well as it is a healthy form of exercise, even if used at
walking speeds. We often have our dog along side us on the treadmill while we take a brisk 20 minute walk. It appears to be more
effective at times than just a walk outdoors, as the dog must focus on the task of walking and staying in place on the mill, which
seems to burn more mental energy.

2) if you select a purebred dog, you will likely be dealing with a breeder. I suggest discussing the possibility of extended-time
boarding of your dog with them while you are away. Your dog will always enjoy the company of same-breed companions, and the breeder
knows best how to deal with your dog and its unique needs.

3) join a local dog club and enroll yourself and your new puppy in dog lessons from day one. The bonding experience will be one that
you will never regret. As your newfound friend grows up, some basic obedience training as well as other training activities will
help reinforce that bond forever. Remember that the lessons are also for training the owner, not just the dog.

4) crate training is highly recommended from day one, especially with a hunting breed. This allows you to safely leave your dog
unattended at home, at the shop, or when visiting at a friends home. Many feel that crate training is cruel, but it is actually one
of the best things you could do for your dog. Once they get accustomed to their crate, they will often use it on their own when
taking a nap, or seeking out a safe zone when stressed. Inform yourself of the proper crate training techniques with your local dog
club.

Hopefully the above will help you with your decision. A dog is a commitment NOT to be taken lightly. Like any relationship, if you
put in the effort and dedication, you will be rewarded with a lifetime of friendship.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
 
Ok, here comes my thoughts.

I have 3 dogs, my first was an Australian Cattle Dog, he is amazingly smart, and only about 30 pounds, I found a cattle dog rescue here in NC.
The second it is a Skye Terrier I rescued from one of my incompetent customers, oh yeah, I own a Dog Spa (Boarding, Grooming, Training, we do it all)
He does not shed, he needs to be groomed monthly.
My third dog is a rat terrier, she came into my life when I started dating my now wife.

From my perspective, they all travel great, one of the reasons we got the GMC was to travel with them.
I absolutely hate having to leave them behind when we cannot take them.
The rat terrier gives us the cold shoulder when we return, the cattle dog just wants to be loved and the skye terrier wants to play ball.

I think if you get a dog and it becomes as attached to you as a family member, it will be devastating for it when you are gone for long periods of
time.
Dogs do not understand that it is a vacation and you will be back.
It will assume you are abandoning it, especially if it has to get to know and bond with a "new owner" every time you travel.
Yes it will be excited and happy when you return, but when you are gone, it will be heart broken.

If you get a working dog, one that does not become attached to you, it may care less who is in the house.
But to me, that is not a companion.

Just my thoughts, if it was me and I knew I would be away for long periods of time, I would not get a dog.

Put yourself in your dog's position, would you want to be in a relationship with someone who disappeared often and for unknown lengths of time without
telling you where you are going or when they will be back?
That is how the dog will see it, one day you are in a loving, caring relationship, the next you are gone for no reason.

I skimmed all the replies above and if you are only gone twice a year, for no more than a month at a time, and found someone who could repeatedly
watch the dog while you are gone, then ignore most of what I have said above. If you can take the dog to someone it knows and trusts and enjoys being
with, yes it will miss you, but it will also feel at home with that person.

--
1973 GMC 26' Glacier - Unknown Mileage - Has a new switch pitch transmission with Powerdrive
 
Finnegan says

"GET A TOLLER"
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Just asking, what if you had a service dog. Would the dog still need to be
quarantined for 30 days?

After all you are "The Pedantic Mechanic" and you need a dog so you don't
go over the edge;-)

> Ok, here comes my thoughts.
>
> I have 3 dogs, my first was an Australian Cattle Dog, he is amazingly
> smart, and only about 30 pounds, I found a cattle dog rescue here in NC.
> The second it is a Skye Terrier I rescued from one of my incompetent
> customers, oh yeah, I own a Dog Spa (Boarding, Grooming, Training, we do it
> all)
> He does not shed, he needs to be groomed monthly.
> My third dog is a rat terrier, she came into my life when I started dating
> my now wife.
>
> From my perspective, they all travel great, one of the reasons we got the
> GMC was to travel with them.
> I absolutely hate having to leave them behind when we cannot take them.
> The rat terrier gives us the cold shoulder when we return, the cattle dog
> just wants to be loved and the skye terrier wants to play ball.
>
> I think if you get a dog and it becomes as attached to you as a family
> member, it will be devastating for it when you are gone for long periods of
> time.
> Dogs do not understand that it is a vacation and you will be back.
> It will assume you are abandoning it, especially if it has to get to know
> and bond with a "new owner" every time you travel.
> Yes it will be excited and happy when you return, but when you are gone,
> it will be heart broken.
>
> If you get a working dog, one that does not become attached to you, it may
> care less who is in the house.
> But to me, that is not a companion.
>
> Just my thoughts, if it was me and I knew I would be away for long periods
> of time, I would not get a dog.
>
> Put yourself in your dog's position, would you want to be in a
> relationship with someone who disappeared often and for unknown lengths of
> time without
> telling you where you are going or when they will be back?
> That is how the dog will see it, one day you are in a loving, caring
> relationship, the next you are gone for no reason.
>
> I skimmed all the replies above and if you are only gone twice a year, for
> no more than a month at a time, and found someone who could repeatedly
> watch the dog while you are gone, then ignore most of what I have said
> above. If you can take the dog to someone it knows and trusts and enjoys
> being
> with, yes it will miss you, but it will also feel at home with that person.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> 1973 GMC 26' Glacier - Unknown Mileage - Has a new switch pitch
> transmission with Powerdrive
>
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
My brother drove 600 miles to leave has Irish setter and parrot with us while he was on a trip to Florida . The dog and parrot are enjoying there mini
vacation here just fine . We have 2 older dogs of our own and the 3 dogs have no problem as long as they get there fair share of goodies. I think most
dogs can get by OK with out their owners if they are not left alone too long. It has been a week so far and I'm sure his dog knows he will be back
soon.
--
Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
 
Rob,
Move cautiously on this. A dog/cat is a 15 yr commitment. Be sure it is worth it. Once you move on this you are jumping in with both feet. JFWIW.
--
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
> I see people out walking their dogs and picking up dog poop.
> Who is the master?

The owners most of the time. Though I've seen many places where training either failed or never happened. Thankfully, in the case of poop scooping,
owners are also being respectful of everyone else.
--
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
 
Rob,

Just before I left for Vietnam, our 8 & 5 year old son & daughter selected
the most bashful German Shepherd puppy from a brood. He was with us for 12
years and was a WONDERFUL dog in every respect. But he had one quirk that
would have made him unsuitable for your lifestyle: When we left him with
ANYONE, he pined for us terribly -- wouldn't even eat. One time we
particularly remember, we had to leave him in a commercial kennel for a
week. When we returned, he'd eaten nothing -- even the chicken they'd
tried to hand feed him. He would not have survived one of your
intercontinental trips.

He's the one who, while I was gone, decided that men should not come onto
the car port. Women were allowed on the car port but NOT into the house.
Even the postman, a breeder of Shepherds, who brought him treats to make
friends, was not allowed -- only delivered mail when SHE met him in the
driveway. When I returned after a year, SHE wanted me to remain in the car
until they got him under control. Instead, I got out before anyone else
and said, "Hello, Buck, how you doin' old buddy?". He greeted me as if I'd
just gone out for the day. :-)

He loved us, but would not even eat for anyone else. I don't know how
you'd avoid that personality trait from asserting itself.

Ken H.

> G'day,
> ...
> Before I get a dog I want to make sure I am prepared for it and that I
> will make a good owner hence this email. I don't expect any
> long dissertations on the responsibilities of dog ownership but would
> appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this subject.
 
Ken,

I consider myself an animal lover and while I never owned a dog I believe a bit of study and training would make me a good dog
owner.

Your story below reminded me of my first wife's sisters dog (also a German Shepherd) who was put in a kennel for an extended period
and it made him go a bit mad. When he got out he bonded with my father-in-law and if anyone got between him and my father in law was
in trouble. He bit my wife on the face (just missed her left eye) when she bent down to pet him! They were very upset but didn't
want to even tell my wife's sister for fear of upsetting her so they did nothing. A short period later the dog bit my mother in law
seriously injuring her and they wound up having it put down.

It is my intent to attend both the spring and fall GMCMI Conventions starting next year, and any others that were close. The spring
convention trip would be a short trip 3-4 weeks, however, the fall convention trip would be 3 - 4 months paralleling the Aussie
winter. I think the spring trip wouldn't be too hard on the dog but the fall trip would not be conducive to the dog's well being and
could even be considered cruel. Therefore I will not be getting a dog.

As soon as I am able to perambulate with out any aids I will head to the RSPCA and pick out a couple of kitties (it's spring here in
Sydney and the breeding season). It has been my experience that the cats "personality" is different from dogs and they bond in a
different way. I watch a number of vet TV shows and it is obvious that dogs don't like being separated from their "people" and they
demonstrate that clearly when their owners come to pick them up after treatment.

Dog:
OH BOY, OH BOY; YOU'RE BACK: LICK, LICK, LICK!!!
I MISSED YOU SO MUCH; LICK, LICK, LICK!!!
I THOUGHT YOU WERE NEVER COMING BACK: LICK, LICK, LICK!!!
PLEASE - PLEASE - DON'T EVER LEAVE ME AGAIN; LICK, LICK, LICK!!!

Cat:
Ah ha; you're back; I was wondering what happened to you.
Not to happy about being left with this guy; he did a lot of poking I DID NOT APPRECIATE!
You do this again and I'm on the phone to the SPCA!
Now get me home ASAP!

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2016 11:49 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Rob,

Just before I left for Vietnam, our 8 & 5 year old son & daughter selected
the most bashful German Shepherd puppy from a brood. He was with us for 12
years and was a WONDERFUL dog in every respect. But he had one quirk that
would have made him unsuitable for your lifestyle: When we left him with
ANYONE, he pined for us terribly -- wouldn't even eat. One time we
particularly remember, we had to leave him in a commercial kennel for a
week. When we returned, he'd eaten nothing -- even the chicken they'd
tried to hand feed him. He would not have survived one of your
intercontinental trips.

He's the one who, while I was gone, decided that men should not come onto
the car port. Women were allowed on the car port but NOT into the house.
Even the postman, a breeder of Shepherds, who brought him treats to make
friends, was not allowed -- only delivered mail when SHE met him in the
driveway. When I returned after a year, SHE wanted me to remain in the car
until they got him under control. Instead, I got out before anyone else
and said, "Hello, Buck, how you doin' old buddy?". He greeted me as if I'd
just gone out for the day. :-)

He loved us, but would not even eat for anyone else. I don't know how
you'd avoid that personality trait from asserting itself.

Ken H.

> G'day,
> ...
> Before I get a dog I want to make sure I am prepared for it and that I
> will make a good owner hence this email. I don't expect any
> long dissertations on the responsibilities of dog ownership but would
> appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this subject.
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