OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Fay,

Not to worry, I'm not going to act on this for a good while; I've got too much "stuff" going on in my life at the moment.

So far my question has brought up a lot of great comments; a number of which I had not even thought of!

My travel would present the biggest challenge to dog ownership.

You may not believe this but when Helen and I would come back from a trip both Stumpy and Shadow would give us the cold shoulder and
ignore us. They acted like they were pissed off that we left and didn't bring them along!

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:05 AM
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Rob,

I agree with what Jeremy said. There is nothing like having a dog. That
being said, I think you should wait a while longer before making the
decision. I know what you mean about roaming home alone, But, a dog is a
big, life long responsibility and your change in life style, etc. is still
unfolding ,
As I tell people, now I have to redecide what I am going to do when I grow
up. Borrowing a dog now and then ( boarding for a friend that is
traveling?) is a great way to get that dog fix in :) without the long term
commitment and would give you an idea of what life with a dog would be
like. Dogs need more attention than cats.
If I didn't have the cat Bert and I got a few months before his passing and
the other cat a friend brought home for me (to replace the other that went
missing a year to the date of Bert's final hospital admittance), I would
probably have a dog now. But if I had a dog, it would make travel to places
without the motorhome for extended periods of time difficult. And I do like
to travel. And I don't have anyone that could care for said dog for a
couple of weeks at a time. Yes, I know that there are boarding kennels, but
none in my area that I would trust.
As far as if you would make a good owner, I have no doubts that you would
be a perfect dog owner if you decide to jump in that pond. As far as breed,
make sure it fits the life style you want to live and the room you have for
it to live in.

Fay Curtis
 
Jim,

Labradors are on my list as well as they are much more laid back.

As noted in previous replies I would continue to have house sitters take care of any pets.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Rob, hunting breeds need 1/2 hour at least of vigorous exercise every day.
They are for the most part, extremely loyal to immediate family members.
German Shorthairs, Weimaraner, Doberman, all kind of fit this picture.
Terrier breeds, like Jack Russell, are very headstrong, constanty on alert,
kill anything around, don't like to be left alone to the point of
destroying furniture etc. My personal favorite is Labrador retrievers,
though they are known for chewing stuff up. All puppies are a challenge
until they get their owners properly trained. Suzette, our Papillion, took
over 2 years to train us. I swore that she had not a lick of sense, but she
is without a doubt, the smartest dog I have ever owned. Her language skills
are uncanny. You have to spell stuff, and if you do that too often, she
figures that out, too. No particular breed is perfect, and the Heinz dog,
(57 varieties ) has a lot going for it. I know how alone you feel. Dogs
help fill the gap. Have you thought about what you will do with a dog when
you come stateside?
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> The health benefits of having a dog, especially as we age, are pretty well
> established. Simply put they are good for you both physically and mentally.
> The biggest problem with people and dogs is not matching a breed, or breed
> characteristics, to your preferred lifestyle. For example, you mentioned
> Weimaraners. I'll be honest with you Rob, you don't look like a runner to
> me. Weimaraners require an immense amount of exercise and it's not a breed
> I'd recommend for someone who isn't planning to be physically active with
> their dog every day for a significant amount of time. We aren't really
> talking about long, gentle walks either. Those dogs need to run. The other
> thing that would give me pause is your lifestyle. You split your time
> between the U.S. and Australia. Look into what it takes and costs to bring
> a dog back and forth unless you are planning to settle in one place.
>
> Finally, never underestimate the frustration and difficulty of puppyhood.
> Puppies are adorable and wonderful, they are also a royal pain in the rear.
> Adopting an adult dog, especially for someone who hasn't raised a puppy in
> a long time, is a good alternative. Like babies, you don't remember the
> frustration and really focus on the joys of the dog for most of their
> life, but during that first year, there are a lot of times you wonder just
> what
> the heck you have done!
>
> Overall, we are dog people. We have two now. We had our gentle giant Teddy
> for 8 of his 10 years. Within a week of putting him to sleep last year we
> knew we didn't work as a family without a dog, so we added Cinder to our
> family less than 2 months after Teddy passed. A year and a bit later we
> brought Juna home from the pound. Dogs bring a lot to our lives. Mostly
> all of it good, and I'd recommend it to almost anyone who understands the
> responsibility needed. Like most reasonable adults, you certainly can
> raise, love and provide a great home to a dog and that dog will provide you
> with
> benefits that are absolutely worthwhile. Only you can decide whether you
> want to make that commitment.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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John,

As noted in earlier emails, I'll adopt a kitten from the RSPCA to fulfill that "requirement."

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
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USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Go save one at the pound, like we do with neglected TZEs. I see no reason why not to other than the long trips to the other
continent.
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Sandra,

As noted in other emails if you find a house sitter that is dog friendly there is no cost.

I would not bring a dog to a kennel for the lengths of time I am out of Australia.

When we brought Stumpy and Shadow (cats) from Hong Kong there was no quarantine. I think we had to show that their rabies and other
vaccinations were up to date.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

We agree with all Jeremy said, Rob.

We enjoy our two lap dogs and they travel with us where ever we go in the
rv, but it is expensive to leave them with a boarder ($50/nite x 2 for the
least expensive place we would trust).

Don't know international laws, but I believe the dog could have to be
quarantined for as long as a month coming into the US.

They truly are lots of fun and entertaining and they love you
unconditionally. But they are a responsibility.

Sounds like you are on the mend. Take care.

Sandra and Bob
 
My wife and I rode a bike with Teddy for a while when he was young. It's a bad idea. He was well trained, but even still it doesn't take much to pull
a bike rider off balance. They make attachments for your bike, but they only really allow you to go two hands on the bike. They don't solve the
problem of you riding and balancing and the dog startling, stopping to pee, or deciding to chase a wallaby. One of you will get hurt.

You can find plenty of breeds that would be happy with a 20 minute amble twice a day or a walk and a game of fetch. Both large and small, shaggy and
short hair. It's just up to you to match your lifestyle to a breed instead of forcing a dog into your lifestyle.

Training a dog is one of life's great pleasures and frustrations. You can always pay someone to do it for you, but there is no bond stronger than the
one forged through the time and effort to learn about and train your own companion. That goes for puppies and adult dogs. We got Teddy fully trained
at 2 as a rescue and spent a year doing all the training again. It bonded us and made sure we all were on the same page. Cinder is 18 months and I am
just starting to consider her adequately trained.

As for the leaving and coming back that is hard. I'm not sure you will be happy to do that once you have a companion dog. It will be as hard on you to
leave as him to be left. One of the reasons we motorhome is so our dogs can come with us.

There are dozens of books on breeds and training. For training I like The Monks of New Skete. The updated books, I believe there are three, are the
best I've found. The Internet can help you sort the breeds by characteristics. Make a list of what works, not what you think describes what you've
always wanted, and see where it takes you. Research is cheap. Good luck. Johnny Bridges was a big help to us when we were looking as a sounding
board. He helped us separate what we thought we wanted from what fit us best. Finding a way to do that is the best advice I can pass along.
--
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
 
Bringing a dog into the US is no big deal. Just meet the rabies vaccination or booster shot in the previous 30 days requirement and if it arrives
looking well, you are in. Definitely travel on UAL only. It can go as excess baggage for somewhere in the $125 to $150 range. They also have a
special terminal in, most major locations just for traveling animals.

The opposite direction from to OZ is a different story. You need to closely check with the Aussie's before you ever consider bringing in any dog,
Australian origin or other, into the country.

Finn says to get a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever. (Toller for short.) Get one and bring him/her by so Finn will teach it how to chase
squirrels. If it is winter time he will teach it how to play in the snow.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
There is this
About doing a dog in a gmc
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😀

> Bringing a dog into the US is no big deal. Just meet the rabies
> vaccination or booster shot in the previous 30 days requirement and if it
> arrives
> looking well, you are in. Definitely travel on UAL only. It can go as
> excess baggage for somewhere in the $125 to $150 range. They also have a
> special terminal in, most major locations just for traveling animals.
>
> The opposite direction from to OZ is a different story. You need to
> closely check with the Aussie's before you ever consider bringing in any
> dog,
> Australian origin or other, into the country.
>
> Finn says to get a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever. (Toller for
> short.) Get one and bring him/her by so Finn will teach it how to chase
> squirrels. If it is winter time he will teach it how to play in the snow.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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Rob -
The house sitter - particularly someone you know who's a Dog Person removes the problem of overseas travel. The dog(s) will end up with two Persons,
you and the house sitter. Which is probably good for the dog(s).
Let me also suggest for your consideration, a Greyhound. Retired racing dogs make marvelous pets, and surprisingly to a lot of people, Greyhounds are
total couch potatoes. They make good apartment dogs as well. Exercise on a bicycle is more than sufficient. They're short - haired, and while the
shed (all dogs shed to some degree) they don't leave 'woolyboogers' throughout the house like mine do. From a moral point of view, a lot of retired
racing dogs are destroyed for lack of homes. It's a good move to take one.

--johnny

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Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
I am not much of a dog guy however I do not dislike dogs at all, I just am usually too busy and running to be able to deal with the dog. and I can't
stand the idea of carrying around a plastic bag of poop. So my opinion is from a non-dog owner prospective.

I can see in your case, how a dog would be very beneficial as a travel companion, if you understand the logistics of getting from one country to the
next with the dog. Asking this forum, that I would think is 99% pet friendly people, it is nice to see so many good answers.

I would think for a traveling dog, temperment would be the key item. The dog size I would think has it pro's and con's as well.

One dog that we watch for that amazes me whenever I run across one is a Golden-Doodle. Everyone seems so super mannered, non-shedding. We watch a
friends, and the dog does not even eat that much or poop that much. 50% the poop of a lab. i have been around other golden-doodles as well, and I
have yet to see any that are not just super happy, yet calm, and friendly dogs.

--
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
 
Since the subject of designer dogs has come up, Let's look at their marketing a bit. And realize, most of them are lovely dogs, just like any other.
However, the idea of paying large amounts of money for a crossbreed is ridiculous. To take the Golden x Poodle, locally I can buy a Golden for $300,
a Standard Poodle for $450, both AKC registered. Now I have all the Golden x Poodles I want for $750 less whatever I sell the other puppies for.
Now, they have no more 'hybrid vigor' than any other purpose bred dog. They will share the characteristics, both good and bad, of the parent breeds.
To find out where the idea of designer dogs actually started, speak to the folks at The Service Dog Project, they're an Aussie outfit. They bred Labs
and Standrd Poodles in hopes of a hypoallergenic dog, which they didn't get and after a year went back to Labs which make excellent service dogs.
Some opportunists jumped on the corssbreed bandwagon and began profiteering based onpurported characteristics which simply aren't correct. Again,
crosses are great dogs, but they are worth the same as the adoption fee at your local shelter.

--johnny
--
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Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
Rob,

We are now traveling with 100# of dog in two components. If you are at any rally we get to, you are welcome to borrow one. Neither likes to play
ball or tug-of-war. The old one is getting old and the young one is still young.

Really, a loner dog may be best because of your bi-continental lifestyle.

I will never not have a dog unless circumstances prevent it, and then I will work to change the circumstances.

Matt
--
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'73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
One on my beliefs in life is that you should do what you want to do.
Now if you think you might want to do something, cause you know others say it's fun, well maybe you should, maybe you shouldn't.
There are a lot of things out there to do, I don't have time for them all, so culling the wish list is the most important thing you can do.
If it's not obvious and a must have don't do it.

What I like to say is;
"If you can't decide, Don't"

I HAD to have a GMC, there was no question. :D

----------------------------------------

>
> Since the subject of designer dogs has come up, Let's look at their marketing a bit. And realize, most of them are lovely dogs, just like any other.
> However, the idea of paying large amounts of money for a crossbreed is ridiculous. To take the Golden x Poodle, locally I can buy a Golden for $300,
> a Standard Poodle for $450, both AKC registered. Now I have all the Golden x Poodles I want for $750 less whatever I sell the other puppies for.
> Now, they have no more 'hybrid vigor' than any other purpose bred dog. They will share the characteristics, both good and bad, of the parent breeds.
> To find out where the idea of designer dogs actually started, speak to the folks at The Service Dog Project, they're an Aussie outfit. They bred Labs
> and Standrd Poodles in hopes of a hypoallergenic dog, which they didn't get and after a year went back to Labs which make excellent service dogs.
> Some opportunists jumped on the corssbreed bandwagon and began profiteering based onpurported characteristics which simply aren't correct. Again,
> crosses are great dogs, but they are worth the same as the adoption fee at your local shelter.
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
>
> "Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
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I'll share our experience.

We got a dog 1 1/2 years ago, Abby. A rescue from the shelter, Wisconsin brings approx. 10,000 dogs a year up from the kill shelters down south and
there are literally waiting lines for them. At the shelter they said she was part Lab, Boxer & Hound....but who knows. She has turned out to be an
incredible family member. A non-barker which we wanted (there's nothing worse than a dog that barks non-stop in my opinion), she barks about once a
week. Very mellow yet friendly and she loves the Grand kids. She also loves traveling and camping. There is definitely hound in her because if we
don't keep her on a leash while walking or a rope in the yard she'd be gone in 2 seconds.

They definitely add responsibility and at times inconvenience, but for us it's been a great decision. I'm retired and home all day and Lisa still
works, so I enjoy having her around. Where ever I go she's in the car and she's patient while I go into stores.

We've both make the comment regarding getting her, "this is one of the best things we've every done".
 
I guess Wisconsin must not give you grief about leaving a dog in a car.

In Oklahoma, it's almost on par with leaving a child in a car! Animal cruelty or child endangerment with prosecution to follow!

Mac Macdonald in OKC
The Money Pit

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>
> I'll share our experience.
>
> We got a dog 1 1/2 years ago, Abby. A rescue from the shelter, Wisconsin brings approx. 10,000 dogs a year up from the kill shelters down south and
> there are literally waiting lines for them. At the shelter they said she was part Lab, Boxer & Hound....but who knows. She has turned out to be an
> incredible family member. A non-barker which we wanted (there's nothing worse than a dog that barks non-stop in my opinion), she barks about once a
> week. Very mellow yet friendly and she loves the Grand kids. She also loves traveling and camping. There is definitely hound in her because if we
> don't keep her on a leash while walking or a rope in the yard she'd be gone in 2 seconds.
>
> They definitely add responsibility and at times inconvenience, but for us it's been a great decision. I'm retired and home all day and Lisa still
> works, so I enjoy having her around. Where ever I go she's in the car and she's patient while I go into stores.
>
> We've both make the comment regarding getting her, "this is one of the best things we've every done".
>
>
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Rob, by now you shouldbe totally confused. Not to worry, go get the dog(s) you want. They won't care about all the hints and suggestions at all. (I
just got home and a 110 pound white fluffball landed in my lap for pets)

--johnny
--
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Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
Hi Rob -

Not sure if such is available down under - but around here one can go to any local animal shelter and volunteer for an afternoon or so...

There's usually a large field nearby for walking around, throwing a ball around, or just hanging out with an animal or two.

I've heard stories of a guy that used to go to the shelter and ask "who's next?" - meaning the next candidate for euthanasia... He'd routinely take
that dog home and give it a pleasant last chapter. Pretty cool in my book.

Steve W
1973 23'
Southern california

 
Johnny,

Actually I'm not confused at all, the comments, hints and suggestions that people have made was excellent food for thought and
highlighted one point that concerns me more than any other.

I KNOW I can adapt myself to accommodate a dog; HOWEVER, I am very concerned that leaving him for long periods of time would NOT be
good for his psyche! Matt pointed out it probably would be OK because he would get used to the house sitter, he assumed that I would
get the SAME house sitter and actually that is unlikely. Over the years we've only had one house sitter that came back for a second
time.

Stumpy and Shadow were used to Helen and gallivanting around the globe, however, when we'd come home they would give us the cold
shoulder for awhile. The longer we were away the longer they'd ignore us!

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/family-photos/p24152-our-kids-stumpy-ginger-color-26amp-3b-shadow.html

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF TOPIC - Should I get a dog?

Rob, by now you shouldbe totally confused. Not to worry, go get the dog(s) you want. They won't care about all the hints and
suggestions at all. (I just got home and a 110 pound white fluffball landed in my lap for pets)

--johnny
 
Rob,
You have received some decent recommendations with regards to getting a dog. I won't waste your time repeating what has already been said. I do have some suggestions that haven't been mentioned.

Before I continue, I'd like to mention that I've had dogs all my life, starting with a variety of mixed breed rescue dogs. I've been active in agility and obedience competitions, as well as field trials. Currently I compete (for fun) with a purebred female Vizsla (Hungarian pointer).

The Vizsla breed shares similarities with the GSP and the Weim. Additionally, they have low odour, short fur, and some cat-like behavioural traits. They are demanding when young, but as they age, they simmer down substantially. When sufficiently exercised, they can be big couch potatoes the rest of the day. They are also extremely affectionate and like to cuddle, much like a lapdog if you allow it. You might want to look at the Vizsla (AKA the Velcro dog) as a potential candidate.

Ok, on to my suggestions.

1) if you are strongly considering a hunting breed, you can burn off a good portion of their energy with treadmill training. We started our vizsla as a puppy on the treadmill, and now we can't run on it without her participating. She will often tell us when she wants to run on it. The treadmill might be of benefit to you as well as it is a healthy form of exercise, even if used at walking speeds. We often have our dog along side us on the treadmill while we take a brisk 20 minute walk. It appears to be more effective at times than just a walk outdoors, as the dog must focus on the task of walking and staying in place on the mill, which seems to burn more mental energy.

2) if you select a purebred dog, you will likely be dealing with a breeder. I suggest discussing the possibility of extended-time boarding of your dog with them while you are away. Your dog will always enjoy the company of same-breed companions, and the breeder knows best how to deal with your dog and its unique needs.

3) join a local dog club and enroll yourself and your new puppy in dog lessons from day one. The bonding experience will be one that you will never regret. As your newfound friend grows up, some basic obedience training as well as other training activities will help reinforce that bond forever. Remember that the lessons are also for training the owner, not just the dog.

4) crate training is highly recommended from day one, especially with a hunting breed. This allows you to safely leave your dog unattended at home, at the shop, or when visiting at a friends home. Many feel that crate training is cruel, but it is actually one of the best things you could do for your dog. Once they get accustomed to their crate, they will often use it on their own when taking a nap, or seeking out a safe zone when stressed. Inform yourself of the proper crate training techniques with your local dog club.

Hopefully the above will help you with your decision. A dog is a commitment NOT to be taken lightly. Like any relationship, if you put in the effort and dedication, you will be rewarded with a lifetime of friendship.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)

>
> G'day,
>
> When I was a boy growing up in Hoboken I asked my Dad if I could have a dog. His response was; "no, because I don't have the time to
> take care of it when you loose interest." I got a hamster and worked my way up to a cat. I have had a number of cats through out my
> life but never a dog. I always liked the German breeds (wonder why, eh?); shorthaired pointers (Dad had three of them in
> California), Dobermans (liver colored), and Weimaraners; the latter being my favorite.
>
> Fast forward sixty years and I am finding it rather lonely stumbling around this house as both Stumpy and Shadow are in a better
> place along with Helen.
>
> Before I get a dog I want to make sure I am prepared for it and that I will make a good owner hence this email. I don't expect any
> long dissertations on the responsibilities of dog ownership but would appreciate any thoughts anyone might have on this subject. If
> anyone knows of any books that discuss the subject I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
>
> Appreciate any and all comments.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
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