I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed road race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One of the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that you have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track wants to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I hit 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the checking account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob Dunahugh
Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
- Thread starter Bob Dunahugh
- Start date
Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
fortune and work your way down.
Jim Hupy
> I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed road
> race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One of
> the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that you
> have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track wants
> to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I hit
> 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the checking
> account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
> Dunahugh
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racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
fortune and work your way down.
Jim Hupy
> I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed road
> race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One of
> the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that you
> have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track wants
> to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I hit
> 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the checking
> account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
> Dunahugh
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James wins! Very funny.
> Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> fortune and work your way down.
> Jim Hupy
>
>
>
> > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed road
> > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One
> of
> > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that
> you
> > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track wants
> > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I
> hit
> > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> checking
> > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
> > Dunahugh
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> Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> fortune and work your way down.
> Jim Hupy
>
>
>
> > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed road
> > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One
> of
> > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that
> you
> > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track wants
> > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I
> hit
> > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> checking
> > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
> > Dunahugh
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Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
Not a chance!
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>
>
>
>
> > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> > fortune and work your way down.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> road
> > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One
> > of
> > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that
> > you
> > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> wants
> > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I
> > hit
> > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > checking
> > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
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1977 Eleganza II 26-3
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Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
Not a chance!
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>
>
>
>
> > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> > fortune and work your way down.
> > Jim Hupy
> >
> >
> >
> > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> road
> > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074. One
> > of
> > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact that
> > you
> > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> wants
> > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week I
> > hit
> > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > checking
> > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories. Bob
> > > Dunahugh
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And is correct. BTDT got the t-shirt$. When John Sironian (after he sold Western Wheel) started to bring an engine for each run, I decided it was time
to quit.
--
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73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
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to quit.
--
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73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS - 49ers
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.
Oh My!
James H.: You are such a Riot!!!
And - I know it is true!
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>
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> to quit.
>
> --
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> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
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Nor my '57 Ground-up Restored 356. 
Which elicits an old man's tale. Not GMC, but at least "collector
vehicle": In 1974, I found a sad looking 356 in a dealer's back lot. The
mechanic who'd owned it had just rebuilt the engine when he got fired or
quit. At any rate the dealership owned the car. Stored under a leaky car
cover, the interior was rotted away.
I bought it and drove it that day to Dayton, OH, where I'd just been
assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB. My teenage son and I immediately started
disassembling it (carpet by the "spoonful"). Eventually every nut, bolt,
and screw, except for that freshly built engine, was removed, de-rusted,
replated, etc. I found an even sadder identical 356 with a sunroof, so I
cut the A, B, & C pillars and of both and "scabbed" the sunroof onto the
good car. Exactly one year to the day later, at 1:00 AM, a neighbor
brought over champagne for the first engine start since we'd gotten it
home. New paint, upholstery, etc., made it look brand new -- and it ran &
drove the same way. At 7:00 AM that day, we left to go back to
Indianapolis, where the 356 Registry (a Porsche club) was having a rally at
the Indianapolis Speedway -- we got to drive around the track! Behind a
pace car.
But that's not the end of the tale. I used it as a daily driver until
about 1982, when the door dings, etc., began to bother me, so I stored it
in our large basement. Then someone bought the vacant lot next door which
gave me my only access to the basement. That moved the car to the garage,
displacing another car. After a couple of years of that, I decided my son,
who I'd hoped to give the car to for his college graduation present would
never earn it. (His experience with it DID earn him a mechanic's job at an
Atlanta Porsche dealer though.)
As soon as I advertised it for sale, I got a call from a retired Master
Sergeant who wanted to see it ASAP. After looking it over, with no price
discussion, he asked if I'd take a $500 deposit to hold it 'til the next
weekend when he'd return with a trailer and the balance. When he came to
pick up the car, I started giving him details, but he quickly told me to
save my breath, then told me his tale: He'd had 3 tours in Munich,
Germany. During the first tour a little Italian guy delivered pizzas to
the base. The second tour he found the little Italian owning a pizza
parlor just off the base. The third tour, just before his retirement, the
little Italian owned a string of casinos. They made a deal for the retired
sergeant to travel the US, buying Jaguar E's and 356's to ship to Germany
for THOROUGH restoration. For example, he said, "they'll be replacing the
top on this one because this serial numbered car wasn't delivered with a
sun roof...". So I accepted the big roll of $100 bills (not nearly big
enough as it turns out today) and sent him on his way.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:44 PM Kingsley Coach
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> Bob
> Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
> Not a chance!
> Mike in NS
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> > > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> > > fortune and work your way down.
> > > Jim Hupy
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 11:01 AM Bob Dunahugh > >
> > > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> > road
> > > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074.
> One
> > > of
> > > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact
> that
> > > you
> > > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> > wants
> > > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week
> I
> > > hit
> > > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > > checking
> > > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories.
> Bob
> > > > Dunahugh
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> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
>
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Which elicits an old man's tale. Not GMC, but at least "collector
vehicle": In 1974, I found a sad looking 356 in a dealer's back lot. The
mechanic who'd owned it had just rebuilt the engine when he got fired or
quit. At any rate the dealership owned the car. Stored under a leaky car
cover, the interior was rotted away.
I bought it and drove it that day to Dayton, OH, where I'd just been
assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB. My teenage son and I immediately started
disassembling it (carpet by the "spoonful"). Eventually every nut, bolt,
and screw, except for that freshly built engine, was removed, de-rusted,
replated, etc. I found an even sadder identical 356 with a sunroof, so I
cut the A, B, & C pillars and of both and "scabbed" the sunroof onto the
good car. Exactly one year to the day later, at 1:00 AM, a neighbor
brought over champagne for the first engine start since we'd gotten it
home. New paint, upholstery, etc., made it look brand new -- and it ran &
drove the same way. At 7:00 AM that day, we left to go back to
Indianapolis, where the 356 Registry (a Porsche club) was having a rally at
the Indianapolis Speedway -- we got to drive around the track! Behind a
pace car.
But that's not the end of the tale. I used it as a daily driver until
about 1982, when the door dings, etc., began to bother me, so I stored it
in our large basement. Then someone bought the vacant lot next door which
gave me my only access to the basement. That moved the car to the garage,
displacing another car. After a couple of years of that, I decided my son,
who I'd hoped to give the car to for his college graduation present would
never earn it. (His experience with it DID earn him a mechanic's job at an
Atlanta Porsche dealer though.)
As soon as I advertised it for sale, I got a call from a retired Master
Sergeant who wanted to see it ASAP. After looking it over, with no price
discussion, he asked if I'd take a $500 deposit to hold it 'til the next
weekend when he'd return with a trailer and the balance. When he came to
pick up the car, I started giving him details, but he quickly told me to
save my breath, then told me his tale: He'd had 3 tours in Munich,
Germany. During the first tour a little Italian guy delivered pizzas to
the base. The second tour he found the little Italian owning a pizza
parlor just off the base. The third tour, just before his retirement, the
little Italian owned a string of casinos. They made a deal for the retired
sergeant to travel the US, buying Jaguar E's and 356's to ship to Germany
for THOROUGH restoration. For example, he said, "they'll be replacing the
top on this one because this serial numbered car wasn't delivered with a
sun roof...". So I accepted the big roll of $100 bills (not nearly big
enough as it turns out today) and sent him on his way.
Ken H.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:44 PM Kingsley Coach
wrote:
> Bob
> Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
> Not a chance!
> Mike in NS
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> > James wins! Very funny.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
> > > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
> > > fortune and work your way down.
> > > Jim Hupy
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 11:01 AM Bob Dunahugh > >
> > > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> > road
> > > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074.
> One
> > > of
> > > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida for
> > > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact
> that
> > > you
> > > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> > wants
> > > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and some
> > > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next week
> I
> > > hit
> > > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > > checking
> > > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories.
> Bob
> > > > Dunahugh
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> 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> Antigonish, NS
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Excellent story, Ken. Had I known you then, I'd have made you an offer on
the remains of the topless one lol
I was crazy for those things, and when I look at Pinterest I still get
short of breath...either the cars or my condition, but I'm blaming it on
the 356's ! My 911 just doesn't do it!
Mike in NS
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:12 PM Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Nor my '57 Ground-up Restored 356.
>
> Which elicits an old man's tale. Not GMC, but at least "collector
> vehicle": In 1974, I found a sad looking 356 in a dealer's back lot. The
> mechanic who'd owned it had just rebuilt the engine when he got fired or
> quit. At any rate the dealership owned the car. Stored under a leaky car
> cover, the interior was rotted away.
>
> I bought it and drove it that day to Dayton, OH, where I'd just been
> assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB. My teenage son and I immediately started
> disassembling it (carpet by the "spoonful"). Eventually every nut, bolt,
> and screw, except for that freshly built engine, was removed, de-rusted,
> replated, etc. I found an even sadder identical 356 with a sunroof, so I
> cut the A, B, & C pillars and of both and "scabbed" the sunroof onto the
> good car. Exactly one year to the day later, at 1:00 AM, a neighbor
> brought over champagne for the first engine start since we'd gotten it
> home. New paint, upholstery, etc., made it look brand new -- and it ran &
> drove the same way. At 7:00 AM that day, we left to go back to
> Indianapolis, where the 356 Registry (a Porsche club) was having a rally at
> the Indianapolis Speedway -- we got to drive around the track! Behind a
> pace car.
>
> But that's not the end of the tale. I used it as a daily driver until
> about 1982, when the door dings, etc., began to bother me, so I stored it
> in our large basement. Then someone bought the vacant lot next door which
> gave me my only access to the basement. That moved the car to the garage,
> displacing another car. After a couple of years of that, I decided my son,
> who I'd hoped to give the car to for his college graduation present would
> never earn it. (His experience with it DID earn him a mechanic's job at an
> Atlanta Porsche dealer though.)
>
> As soon as I advertised it for sale, I got a call from a retired Master
> Sergeant who wanted to see it ASAP. After looking it over, with no price
> discussion, he asked if I'd take a $500 deposit to hold it 'til the next
> weekend when he'd return with a trailer and the balance. When he came to
> pick up the car, I started giving him details, but he quickly told me to
> save my breath, then told me his tale: He'd had 3 tours in Munich,
> Germany. During the first tour a little Italian guy delivered pizzas to
> the base. The second tour he found the little Italian owning a pizza
> parlor just off the base. The third tour, just before his retirement, the
> little Italian owned a string of casinos. They made a deal for the retired
> sergeant to travel the US, buying Jaguar E's and 356's to ship to Germany
> for THOROUGH restoration. For example, he said, "they'll be replacing the
> top on this one because this serial numbered car wasn't delivered with a
> sun roof...". So I accepted the big roll of $100 bills (not nearly big
> enough as it turns out today) and sent him on his way.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:44 PM Kingsley Coach
>
> > Bob
> > Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
> > Not a chance!
> > Mike in NS
> >
> > <
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:10 PM James Hupy
> > >
> > > > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in
> drag
> > > > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a
> large
> > > > fortune and work your way down.
> > > > Jim Hupy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 11:01 AM Bob Dunahugh > > >
> > > > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> > > road
> > > > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074.
> > One
> > > > of
> > > > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida
> for
> > > > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact
> > that
> > > > you
> > > > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> > > wants
> > > > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and
> some
> > > > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next
> week
> > I
> > > > hit
> > > > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > > > checking
> > > > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories.
> > Bob
> > > > > Dunahugh
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> > 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> > Antigonish, NS
> >
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1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
the remains of the topless one lol
I was crazy for those things, and when I look at Pinterest I still get
short of breath...either the cars or my condition, but I'm blaming it on
the 356's ! My 911 just doesn't do it!
Mike in NS
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:12 PM Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Nor my '57 Ground-up Restored 356.
>
> Which elicits an old man's tale. Not GMC, but at least "collector
> vehicle": In 1974, I found a sad looking 356 in a dealer's back lot. The
> mechanic who'd owned it had just rebuilt the engine when he got fired or
> quit. At any rate the dealership owned the car. Stored under a leaky car
> cover, the interior was rotted away.
>
> I bought it and drove it that day to Dayton, OH, where I'd just been
> assigned to Wright-Patterson AFB. My teenage son and I immediately started
> disassembling it (carpet by the "spoonful"). Eventually every nut, bolt,
> and screw, except for that freshly built engine, was removed, de-rusted,
> replated, etc. I found an even sadder identical 356 with a sunroof, so I
> cut the A, B, & C pillars and of both and "scabbed" the sunroof onto the
> good car. Exactly one year to the day later, at 1:00 AM, a neighbor
> brought over champagne for the first engine start since we'd gotten it
> home. New paint, upholstery, etc., made it look brand new -- and it ran &
> drove the same way. At 7:00 AM that day, we left to go back to
> Indianapolis, where the 356 Registry (a Porsche club) was having a rally at
> the Indianapolis Speedway -- we got to drive around the track! Behind a
> pace car.
>
> But that's not the end of the tale. I used it as a daily driver until
> about 1982, when the door dings, etc., began to bother me, so I stored it
> in our large basement. Then someone bought the vacant lot next door which
> gave me my only access to the basement. That moved the car to the garage,
> displacing another car. After a couple of years of that, I decided my son,
> who I'd hoped to give the car to for his college graduation present would
> never earn it. (His experience with it DID earn him a mechanic's job at an
> Atlanta Porsche dealer though.)
>
> As soon as I advertised it for sale, I got a call from a retired Master
> Sergeant who wanted to see it ASAP. After looking it over, with no price
> discussion, he asked if I'd take a $500 deposit to hold it 'til the next
> weekend when he'd return with a trailer and the balance. When he came to
> pick up the car, I started giving him details, but he quickly told me to
> save my breath, then told me his tale: He'd had 3 tours in Munich,
> Germany. During the first tour a little Italian guy delivered pizzas to
> the base. The second tour he found the little Italian owning a pizza
> parlor just off the base. The third tour, just before his retirement, the
> little Italian owned a string of casinos. They made a deal for the retired
> sergeant to travel the US, buying Jaguar E's and 356's to ship to Germany
> for THOROUGH restoration. For example, he said, "they'll be replacing the
> top on this one because this serial numbered car wasn't delivered with a
> sun roof...". So I accepted the big roll of $100 bills (not nearly big
> enough as it turns out today) and sent him on his way.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 5:44 PM Kingsley Coach
>
> > Bob
> > Do you think I could afford to buy back my 356 Porsche Convertible 'D' ?
> > Not a chance!
> > Mike in NS
> >
> > <
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > > James wins! Very funny.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:10 PM James Hupy
> > >
> > > > Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in
> drag
> > > > racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a
> large
> > > > fortune and work your way down.
> > > > Jim Hupy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 11:01 AM Bob Dunahugh > > >
> > > > > I've mentioned my 4 COPO Yenko's at times. And that I do high speed
> > > road
> > > > > race track events with them. Then 2 weeks ago. Yenko number YS074.
> > One
> > > > of
> > > > > the ones I've owned over the years. Sold at an action in Florida
> for
> > > > > $220,000. Plus a 10% buyers fee of $22,000. Then there's the fact
> > that
> > > > you
> > > > > have no insurance on them at track events. But no one on the track
> > > wants
> > > > > to trade paint either. The 4 have been covered in magazines, and
> some
> > > > > books. Even on the cover of Hemmings Classic Car Magazine. Next
> week
> > I
> > > > hit
> > > > > 73. So it's down to fun for my remaining years. Or a boost to the
> > > > checking
> > > > > account. 1/2 of a % at the bank. Doesn't build much for memories.
> > Bob
> > > > > Dunahugh
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> > Michael Beaton
> > 1977 Kingsley 26-11
> > 1977 Eleganza II 26-3
> > Antigonish, NS
> >
> > Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS
Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
That is exactly what a ham radio buddy said about his once-upon-a-time ownership of a local BMW motorcycle dealership!
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 13:13
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
fortune and work your way down.
Jim Hupy
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 13:13
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
Years ago, Bob, I learned the secret to making a Small Fortune in drag
racing. Nothing difficult about it, really. You just start with a large
fortune and work your way down.
Jim Hupy
Jerry, 356, 911, 914, Oh, so fun to drive, but, you already know the story
of maintaining them. Especially the aluminum bits. German rubber is a whole
different world as well. Sexy looking, highly functional, worth a kings
ransom at auction. I love to drive them. I once drove a works 917. Owned by
Monte Sheldon. OMG wet yourself fast. Brakes equal to the speed. Don't want
one any more.
Stay warm in Mexico.
Jim Hupy
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 4:55 PM Gerald Work via Gmclist <
> Fun that we all have such fun memories - mine of the 356 B cab I purchased
> in the late 60 and drove the wheels square on until we moved to Spokane, WA
> and got a new definition of inadequate heat. A MB 280 SE coupe followed
> that until eventually replaced by a BMW 3.0 CS. All wonderful cars brought
> to useless by the Spokane winters that made them garage queens for several
> months of the year. Good sense finally led them to new owners
>
> The - I should have kept them memories - don’t include the full time
> garage attendants required to keep them from turning into a pile of iron
> oxide. Those lovely German cars now so much in demand we’re/are high
> maintenance ladies once the rust bubbles break to the surface! I toast
> their absence more than I relish their memory.
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:11:28 -0500
> From: Ken Henderson
> To: GMC Mail List
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> Nor my '57 Ground-up Restored 356. :-
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of maintaining them. Especially the aluminum bits. German rubber is a whole
different world as well. Sexy looking, highly functional, worth a kings
ransom at auction. I love to drive them. I once drove a works 917. Owned by
Monte Sheldon. OMG wet yourself fast. Brakes equal to the speed. Don't want
one any more.
Stay warm in Mexico.
Jim Hupy
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 4:55 PM Gerald Work via Gmclist <
> Fun that we all have such fun memories - mine of the 356 B cab I purchased
> in the late 60 and drove the wheels square on until we moved to Spokane, WA
> and got a new definition of inadequate heat. A MB 280 SE coupe followed
> that until eventually replaced by a BMW 3.0 CS. All wonderful cars brought
> to useless by the Spokane winters that made them garage queens for several
> months of the year. Good sense finally led them to new owners
>
> The - I should have kept them memories - don’t include the full time
> garage attendants required to keep them from turning into a pile of iron
> oxide. Those lovely German cars now so much in demand we’re/are high
> maintenance ladies once the rust bubbles break to the surface! I toast
> their absence more than I relish their memory.
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:11:28 -0500
> From: Ken Henderson
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like
> to do for a hobby.
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> Nor my '57 Ground-up Restored 356. :-
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We brought a BMW 2800 sedan back to the US from Germany with us in 1971. Great car, even in winter, but horribly expensive to keep up the maintenance and repairs. At about 80,000 miles or so the damned overhead camshaft snapped in the middle. Wonderful German engineering(?) that thought a long 24 lobe camshaft didn't need bearings in the journals and just rode in the cast aluminum head. The old saying was that a BMW was a poor man's Mercedes but if you weren't poor when you bought it, you soon would be. Replaced it with a Chevy Citation X-11 that was more reliable even if it wasn't as luxurious.
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 20:12
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
Jerry, 356, 911, 914, Oh, so fun to drive, but, you already know the story
of maintaining them. Especially the aluminum bits. German rubber is a whole
different world as well. Sexy looking, highly functional, worth a kings
ransom at auction. I love to drive them. I once drove a works 917. Owned by
Monte Sheldon. OMG wet yourself fast. Brakes equal to the speed. Don't want
one any more.
Stay warm in Mexico.
Jim Hupy
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 4:55 PM Gerald Work via Gmclist <
> Fun that we all have such fun memories - mine of the 356 B cab I purchased
> in the late 60 and drove the wheels square on until we moved to Spokane, WA
> and got a new definition of inadequate heat. A MB 280 SE coupe followed
> that until eventually replaced by a BMW 3.0 CS. All wonderful cars brought
> to useless by the Spokane winters that made them garage queens for several
> months of the year. Good sense finally led them to new owners
>
> The - I should have kept them memories - don’t include the full time
> garage attendants required to keep them from turning into a pile of iron
> oxide. Those lovely German cars now so much in demand we’re/are high
> maintenance ladies once the rust bubbles break to the surface! I toast
> their absence more than I relish their memory.
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:11:28 -0500
> From: Ken Henderson
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like
> to do for a hobby.
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Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2019 20:12
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
Jerry, 356, 911, 914, Oh, so fun to drive, but, you already know the story
of maintaining them. Especially the aluminum bits. German rubber is a whole
different world as well. Sexy looking, highly functional, worth a kings
ransom at auction. I love to drive them. I once drove a works 917. Owned by
Monte Sheldon. OMG wet yourself fast. Brakes equal to the speed. Don't want
one any more.
Stay warm in Mexico.
Jim Hupy
On Tue, Jan 29, 2019, 4:55 PM Gerald Work via Gmclist <
> Fun that we all have such fun memories - mine of the 356 B cab I purchased
> in the late 60 and drove the wheels square on until we moved to Spokane, WA
> and got a new definition of inadequate heat. A MB 280 SE coupe followed
> that until eventually replaced by a BMW 3.0 CS. All wonderful cars brought
> to useless by the Spokane winters that made them garage queens for several
> months of the year. Good sense finally led them to new owners
>
> The - I should have kept them memories - don’t include the full time
> garage attendants required to keep them from turning into a pile of iron
> oxide. Those lovely German cars now so much in demand we’re/are high
> maintenance ladies once the rust bubbles break to the surface! I toast
> their absence more than I relish their memory.
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
>
> Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2019 18:11:28 -0500
> From: Ken Henderson
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like
> to do for a hobby.
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Great car stories gang.
Mine's a little different take.
All through college I supported twin '56 Chevy coupes. One street-able 327 (to be my tow car) and the other became a pretty wild 327. Bottom line,
they practically broke me (financially and emotionally). The last straw left my daily driver disabled and me hitch-hiking home from night classes -
the next day I determined to unload both of them - of course = for no real money.
Twenty-something years later, I had an opportunity to buy a near replica of the '56 I had wished for since dumping the memory of my youth (actually a
much better update in all ways). Was crushed when I took it for a ride. It was so primitive: At the time I was driving a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe that
was not only more comfy _AC, Interior, great sound system, 5 speed butter-smooth transmission, and, frankly, the 4 Cylinder Turbo may have been faster
than my old 327. I "passed" on the '56 (a pity, it was a great price and I even had the money) but haven't spent too much time over that lost
opportunity.
All that said, I NEVER pass up a nice '56 at any car show.
--
Jim Gunther
www.LotusV6.com
now former owner - ;(
73 GMC-II 2600
by Explorer
Mine's a little different take.
All through college I supported twin '56 Chevy coupes. One street-able 327 (to be my tow car) and the other became a pretty wild 327. Bottom line,
they practically broke me (financially and emotionally). The last straw left my daily driver disabled and me hitch-hiking home from night classes -
the next day I determined to unload both of them - of course = for no real money.
Twenty-something years later, I had an opportunity to buy a near replica of the '56 I had wished for since dumping the memory of my youth (actually a
much better update in all ways). Was crushed when I took it for a ride. It was so primitive: At the time I was driving a Thunderbird Turbo Coupe that
was not only more comfy _AC, Interior, great sound system, 5 speed butter-smooth transmission, and, frankly, the 4 Cylinder Turbo may have been faster
than my old 327. I "passed" on the '56 (a pity, it was a great price and I even had the money) but haven't spent too much time over that lost
opportunity.
All that said, I NEVER pass up a nice '56 at any car show.
--
Jim Gunther
www.LotusV6.com
now former owner - ;(
73 GMC-II 2600
by Explorer
I went down to McConnall in early '68 and bought the roadrunner on the showroom floor for the sticker. It was about 2700 plus another 800 for the
hemi engine. Drove it a year and change and the inshoance company found out about hotrod muscle cars. I think I got right at 3K for it. A fair
price to pay for all the fun. They're going for six figures now. "Never look back, somebody might be gaining on you" - Satchel Paige
--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
hemi engine. Drove it a year and change and the inshoance company found out about hotrod muscle cars. I think I got right at 3K for it. A fair
price to pay for all the fun. They're going for six figures now. "Never look back, somebody might be gaining on you" - Satchel Paige
--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
Sharing my Car story ... in the seventies .... no big Bucks available, so after driven for a few years with my Dads old DAF 55, with its quite nice
Variomatic, and reliable Renault engine, I bought my own car, a Fiat 127 ... nice and compact, still capable of bringing us everywhere, driving from
the Netherlands to Switzerland and back, those mountains were no problem. After it turned out the FIAT rusted so quickly, I traded it for a fair price
and got me a CITROEN GS Club, yes I know rare but it drove with its hydropneumatic suspension, like a dream, the Boxer engine was powerful enough and
its green metallic paint shined.
But not that reliable as it should be and bringing it in its warranty period so often to the dealership, had only one advantage .... at the end of the
year I really knew every employee by its name, nickname, even Mothers and fathers names
In winter they both were worse and driving, starting often was a gamble. I needed reliability, not only nice cars to look at and sit in.
There were cars, I by then knew, it could be the one, either Volvo or SAAB ... I went, after visiting the dealer, driving both the SAAB 96 and the new
99, for the 99 ....
And a few years after that for the 900i .... summer winter snow ice, they never let me down ...
In retrospect, as you already said .... Why the hell did I not keep those cars .... the cost for maintenance and incidentally renewing some parts,
would have been much cheaper, then buying new ones every, 5 of 6 years ...
Daniel
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Daniel Jacobs, NL-USA 1977 GMC Eleganza II, 455 newer Tranny+3.55 FD. FiTech and FCC, new Hoses, Selector Valve and Electric Pump, insulated Tanks,
APC, McDash, Dash AC to Enviro Safe. Schräder V+extern Fills, Ceramic Film TPMS FlexSteel Seats
Variomatic, and reliable Renault engine, I bought my own car, a Fiat 127 ... nice and compact, still capable of bringing us everywhere, driving from
the Netherlands to Switzerland and back, those mountains were no problem. After it turned out the FIAT rusted so quickly, I traded it for a fair price
and got me a CITROEN GS Club, yes I know rare but it drove with its hydropneumatic suspension, like a dream, the Boxer engine was powerful enough and
its green metallic paint shined.
But not that reliable as it should be and bringing it in its warranty period so often to the dealership, had only one advantage .... at the end of the
year I really knew every employee by its name, nickname, even Mothers and fathers names
In winter they both were worse and driving, starting often was a gamble. I needed reliability, not only nice cars to look at and sit in.
There were cars, I by then knew, it could be the one, either Volvo or SAAB ... I went, after visiting the dealer, driving both the SAAB 96 and the new
99, for the 99 ....
And a few years after that for the 900i .... summer winter snow ice, they never let me down ...
In retrospect, as you already said .... Why the hell did I not keep those cars .... the cost for maintenance and incidentally renewing some parts,
would have been much cheaper, then buying new ones every, 5 of 6 years ...
Daniel
--
Daniel Jacobs, NL-USA 1977 GMC Eleganza II, 455 newer Tranny+3.55 FD. FiTech and FCC, new Hoses, Selector Valve and Electric Pump, insulated Tanks,
APC, McDash, Dash AC to Enviro Safe. Schräder V+extern Fills, Ceramic Film TPMS FlexSteel Seats
I hit driving age in the mid 1980's...learned to drive at 13 in my dad's 1941 Plymouth Cranbrook (three on the tree). I bought a rough looking '67
Mustang Coupe when I was 14 to rebuild and be ready when I hit permit age at 15 years and 8 months. Ripped around as a new driver and sold it after
the four months with a permit. Bought a rough '69 Mustang Mach 1 fastback, but it was too wonky mechanically to drive daily so it sat in the garage
and I bought a '69 Opel GT to drive daily ($600). The GMC future bug got planted when I bought a 1972 VW camper van at age 17 (no pop top, but full
convertible bed, kitchen, hammock bed in front, etc.). I drove my dad's VW Rabbit and Chevy Malibu when any of my projects were out of service.
I'm curious of others experience on this next idea - every car has had a unique feel to the ignition key and starter switch combination. May not be
true, but I feel if I was blindfolded and my cars were all lined up and you let me turn the key, I could tell which one I was in. The GMC of course is
nearly identical to the 1981 Chevy Malibu because it was out of a similar parts bin.
--
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
Mustang Coupe when I was 14 to rebuild and be ready when I hit permit age at 15 years and 8 months. Ripped around as a new driver and sold it after
the four months with a permit. Bought a rough '69 Mustang Mach 1 fastback, but it was too wonky mechanically to drive daily so it sat in the garage
and I bought a '69 Opel GT to drive daily ($600). The GMC future bug got planted when I bought a 1972 VW camper van at age 17 (no pop top, but full
convertible bed, kitchen, hammock bed in front, etc.). I drove my dad's VW Rabbit and Chevy Malibu when any of my projects were out of service.
I'm curious of others experience on this next idea - every car has had a unique feel to the ignition key and starter switch combination. May not be
true, but I feel if I was blindfolded and my cars were all lined up and you let me turn the key, I could tell which one I was in. The GMC of course is
nearly identical to the 1981 Chevy Malibu because it was out of a similar parts bin.
--
1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
Just like the ignition key, many vehicles have a unique feel to the steering, clutch and shifter as well.
Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
I remember driving vehicles with transerse leaf springs on the rear, Model
A's, 40 - 48 Fords etc, and then driving independent rear suspensions. As
long as you drove sensibly, all was well. But, push an IRS a bit over the
edge, and whoa mama, you got a quick education into "terminal oversteer".
The first time I had an early VW swap ends after I took my foot off the go
pedal in the middle of a tight radius turn, I learnt a whole bunch about
automotive suspension. Never occurred to me to just drive a bit slower
going in.
Jim Hupy
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 PM Dave Stragand Just like the ignition key, many vehicles have a unique feel to the
> steering, clutch and shifter as well.
>
> Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I
> would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car
> wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle
> felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
>
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A's, 40 - 48 Fords etc, and then driving independent rear suspensions. As
long as you drove sensibly, all was well. But, push an IRS a bit over the
edge, and whoa mama, you got a quick education into "terminal oversteer".
The first time I had an early VW swap ends after I took my foot off the go
pedal in the middle of a tight radius turn, I learnt a whole bunch about
automotive suspension. Never occurred to me to just drive a bit slower
going in.
Jim Hupy
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 PM Dave Stragand Just like the ignition key, many vehicles have a unique feel to the
> steering, clutch and shifter as well.
>
> Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I
> would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car
> wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle
> felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
>
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Jim,
Id say the transverse leaf spring had nothing to do with your terminal oversteer. that was caused by the rear engine AND the swingarm suspension. I have driven both a 65 Corvair and a 69 Corvette, the Corvair, rear engine, would come around on trail braking due to it's rear engine but it was manageable, the Corvette, transverse rear spring, does not do that. Ever.
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I remember driving vehicles with transerse leaf springs on the rear, Model
A's, 40 - 48 Fords etc, and then driving independent rear suspensions. As
long as you drove sensibly, all was well. But, push an IRS a bit over the
edge, and whoa mama, you got a quick education into "terminal oversteer".
The first time I had an early VW swap ends after I took my foot off the go
pedal in the middle of a tight radius turn, I learnt a whole bunch about
automotive suspension. Never occurred to me to just drive a bit slower
going in.
Jim Hupy
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 PM Dave Stragand Just like the ignition key, many vehicles have a unique feel to the
> steering, clutch and shifter as well.
>
> Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I
> would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car
> wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle
> felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
>
>
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Id say the transverse leaf spring had nothing to do with your terminal oversteer. that was caused by the rear engine AND the swingarm suspension. I have driven both a 65 Corvair and a 69 Corvette, the Corvair, rear engine, would come around on trail braking due to it's rear engine but it was manageable, the Corvette, transverse rear spring, does not do that. Ever.
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2019 9:54 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Off topic. Maybe I should reconsider what I like to do for a hobby.
I remember driving vehicles with transerse leaf springs on the rear, Model
A's, 40 - 48 Fords etc, and then driving independent rear suspensions. As
long as you drove sensibly, all was well. But, push an IRS a bit over the
edge, and whoa mama, you got a quick education into "terminal oversteer".
The first time I had an early VW swap ends after I took my foot off the go
pedal in the middle of a tight radius turn, I learnt a whole bunch about
automotive suspension. Never occurred to me to just drive a bit slower
going in.
Jim Hupy
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019, 7:37 PM Dave Stragand Just like the ignition key, many vehicles have a unique feel to the
> steering, clutch and shifter as well.
>
> Having work as a Chevy dealer lot attendant for a while in grad school, I
> would often have to drive 50 or more “identical” vehicles through the car
> wash, and it was interesting to note how different each individual vehicle
> felt. The differences only amplify as the vehicles age.
>
>
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All of the BMW CS models left the Italian body factory with pre-installed corrosion standard. If it hasn't been restored, it has either lived in a
climate controlled environment its whole life, or it is a rust bucket covered in a thin film of paint...
As for the 2800, you made a good choice. What other sedan of the time had 4 wheel disks, 4 wheel independent suspension, and the ability to cruise
safely at high speeds? Luckily BMW used that same basic engine until 1993 so a lot of early model teething is fixed with later parts. But I am
somewhat biased...
https://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee23/Bavzilla/2800atthevintag1.jpg
> We brought a BMW 2800 sedan back to the US from Germany with us in 1971. Great car, even in winter, but horribly expensive to keep up the
> maintenance and repairs. At about 80,000 miles or so the damned overhead camshaft snapped in the middle. Wonderful German engineering(?) that
> thought a long 24 lobe camshaft didn't need bearings in the journals and just rode in the cast aluminum head. The old saying was that a BMW was a
> poor man's Mercedes but if you weren't poor when you bought it, you soon would be. Replaced it with a Chevy Citation X-11 that was more reliable
> even if it wasn't as luxurious.
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio K2GKK
> Since 30 November '53
> USAF and FAA, Retired
> Member GMCMI & Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
--
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen
guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
climate controlled environment its whole life, or it is a rust bucket covered in a thin film of paint...
As for the 2800, you made a good choice. What other sedan of the time had 4 wheel disks, 4 wheel independent suspension, and the ability to cruise
safely at high speeds? Luckily BMW used that same basic engine until 1993 so a lot of early model teething is fixed with later parts. But I am
somewhat biased...
https://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee23/Bavzilla/2800atthevintag1.jpg
> We brought a BMW 2800 sedan back to the US from Germany with us in 1971. Great car, even in winter, but horribly expensive to keep up the
> maintenance and repairs. At about 80,000 miles or so the damned overhead camshaft snapped in the middle. Wonderful German engineering(?) that
> thought a long 24 lobe camshaft didn't need bearings in the journals and just rode in the cast aluminum head. The old saying was that a BMW was a
> poor man's Mercedes but if you weren't poor when you bought it, you soon would be. Replaced it with a Chevy Citation X-11 that was more reliable
> even if it wasn't as luxurious.
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio K2GKK
> Since 30 November '53
> USAF and FAA, Retired
> Member GMCMI & Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
--
76 Birchaven - "Wicked Mistress" - New engine, trans, alum radiator, brakes, Sully airbags, fuel lines, seats, adult beverage center... those Coachmen
guys were really thinking about us second hand owners by including that beverage center...
Columbia, SC.
