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Johnny,

Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.

How much do you want for it?

Regards,
Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
To: gmclist
Cc: Johnny Bridges
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot

Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
reassembled, ready
to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
is enough easier
to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
cleaned and ready
for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
wheels, giving me
more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
under it while I'm
jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
straighten the
frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum) isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
in favor of an
aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
core.

Help!

--johnny
--
'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen

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Rob,Rob,Rob...off net means no one else knows what you are saying because
you have to actually go Off Net
I don't have an alum rad, but if I did I'd sell it to you...

Mike in NS

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Johnny,
>
> Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have
> your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
>
> How much do you want for it?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of
> Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
>
> Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and
> one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> reassembled, ready
> to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible
> to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> is enough easier
> to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles
> together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> cleaned and ready
> for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the
> cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> wheels, giving me
> more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to
> Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got
> crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> under it while I'm
> jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward
> under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> straighten the
> frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum)
> isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> in favor of an
> aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather
> have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> core.
>
> Help!
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
>
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS

Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
 
> Rob,Rob,Rob...off net means no one else knows what you are saying because
> you have to actually go Off Net
> I don't have an alum rad, but if I did I'd sell it to you...
>
> Mike in NS
> --
> Michael Beaton
> Antigonish, NS

Mike,

Rob does know how to work "off net".
I think we can forgive him for missing a key sequence.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
'73 Glacier 23 - Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brake with Applied Control Arms
Now with both true Keyless and remote entry
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Johnny,

I missed your original message so I'm a bit late to the party. Two weeks
or so ago I gave John Beaver my AL-replaced OEM rad to replace his OEM with
green streaks. He hasn't installed yet, but would probably be willing to
since you want to recore anyway. Call him.

Ken H.

> Johnny,
>
> Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have
> your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
>
> How much do you want for it?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of
> Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
>
> Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and
> one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> reassembled, ready
> to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible
> to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> is enough easier
> to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles
> together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> cleaned and ready
> for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the
> cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> wheels, giving me
> more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to
> Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got
> crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> under it while I'm
> jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward
> under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> straighten the
> frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum)
> isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> in favor of an
> aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather
> have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> core.
>
> Help!
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and
> add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
>
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Mike,

DOUH!

Sure glad I didn't write anything controversial!

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Kingsley Coach
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 11:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot

Rob,Rob,Rob...off net means no one else knows what you are saying because you have to actually go Off Net

I don't have an alum rad, but if I did I'd sell it to you...

Mike in NS
 
Matt,

Rob knows how to do a LOT of things; unfortunately he is discovering he's forgetting more and more each day. ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Matt Colie
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:43 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot

Mike,

Rob does know how to work "off net".
I think we can forgive him for missing a key sequence.

Matt
 
God's Plan For Aging

Most seniors never get enough exercise. In His wisdom God decreed that
seniors become forgetful so they would have to search for their glasses,
keys and other things thus doing more walking. And God looked down and saw
that it was good.

Then God saw there was another need. In His wisdom He made seniors lose
coordination so they would drop things requiring them to bend, reach &
stretch. And God looked down and saw that it was good.

Then God considered the function of bladders and decided seniors would have
additional calls of nature requiring more trips to the bathroom, thus
providing more exercise. God looked down and saw that it was good.

So if you find as you age, you are getting up and down more, remember it’s
God’s will. It is all in your best interest even though you mutter under
your breath.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 7:54 PM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Matt,
>
> Rob knows how to do a LOT of things; unfortunately he is discovering he's
> forgetting more and more each day. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Matt
> Colie
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot
>
> Mike,
>
> Rob does know how to work "off net".
> I think we can forgive him for missing a key sequence.
>
> Matt
>
>
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
Bruce,

thank you for writing down those words. Even if I call myself an
Atheist, it was still a very nice read. Thanks.

--
Best regards

Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA

'76a Eleganza II, VA
 
Rob, You have mine....remember? Don't need to buy another. I'm bringing it to Shawnee....or am I?

> Johnny,
>
> Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to have your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM radiator.
>
> How much do you want for it?
>
> Regards,
> Rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Johnny Bridges
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
>
> Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup and one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> reassembled, ready
> to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> is enough easier
> to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both axles together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> cleaned and ready
> for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> wheels, giving me
> more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything got crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> under it while I'm
> jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> straighten the
> frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one (aluminum) isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> in favor of an
> aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> core.
>
> Help!
>
> --johnny
> --
> '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
>
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
Not off net

> Rob, You have mine....remember? Don't need to buy another. I'm bringing
> it to Shawnee....or am I?
>
>

> > Johnny,
> >
> > Unfortunately I don't have an OEM radiator, however, I would like to
> have your crushed aluminum rad. I'd like to test the pressure
> > drop through the oil cooler when I check an OEM cooler in an OEM
> radiator.
> >
> > How much do you want for it?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of
> Johnny Bridges via Gmclist
> > Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 9:29 AM
> > To: gmclist
> > Cc: Johnny Bridges
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Das Boot
> >
> > Welol, damn. As you may know, I am allowed three Johnny's Minor Efup
> and one major efup per project. I got the axles rebooted and
> > reassembled, ready
> > to install. I had a Dorman and got an OEM from Applied. It is possible
> to get the Dorman universal one on and banded, but the OEM
> > is enough easier
> > to make it worth the few dollars difference in price. Anyway, both
> axles together, boots banded nicely, flanges and their threads
> > cleaned and ready
> > for the new bolts. I decided life would be simpler if I relocated the
> cribbing from the crossmember to the frame rails behind the
> > wheels, giving me
> > more room to work and less chance of bumping the cribbing. This led to
> Johnny's Major Efup for this project.
> > The jack slipped. My safety cribbing caught the coach before anything
> got crushed under it... and I surely wasn't even close to
> > under it while I'm
> > jacking on it. However, one of the safety crib beams slipped forward
> under the radiator frame. This destroyed the radiator. I can
> > straighten the
> > frame without a lot of trouble, but I need a radiator, this one
> (aluminum) isn't fixable. Does anyone have an old one they removed
> > in favor of an
> > aluminum new one? I can get another aluminum one, but I'd really rather
> have an original and let Sims recore it with the better
> > core.
> >
> > Help!
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > '76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods
> and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > "The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> >
> >
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>
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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Larry,

Since this went out to the net I'm going to respond so people will understand what's going on. Yes, please bring the radiator and
fuel pumps to Shawnee.

The reason I want the oil coolers from Johnny's aluminum radiator is to measure the pressure drop through the engine oil cooler and
compare it to the OEM cooler.

More information for curious minds.

Awhile back I made a presentation at a GMCMI Convention showing that as long as you install the correct oil filter in a 455 /403 (no
built in bypass) and it is functioning properly there is no way that oil flowing out of the engine to the engine oil cooler in the
radiator can get back into a 455 or 403 Oldsmobile without passing through the oil filter. Oil leaving the engine can bypass the
engine oil cooler in the radiator and filter by going through the bypass in the oil filter adapter that bolts directly to the side
of the engine. I was asked "then why do quality rebuilt engines fail after low mileage?" My response was that the bypass in the
engine oil filter adapter in a 455/403 in a GMC opens at 5.3 to 6.3 psi which is the same as a Toronado installation. The Toronado
never had a radiator engine oil cooler (it did have a transmission fluid cooler). The pressure drop in a GMC through the hoses to
the oil cooler, oil cooler, and return is higher than in a Toronado and it is possible that the bypass is open more and for longer
periods of time in the GMC. Add the fact that these vehicles are over 30 years old and there has to be an accumulation of crud in
the oil cooler which would increase the pressure drop. Then add the pressure drop caused by the crud from a blown engine into the
equation and you may have a situation where the bypass in the oil filter adapter is great enough to keep the bypass open even more.
Newly rebuilt engines generate a lot of contaminants while they are run in. If the bypass stays open those contaminants are fed
right back into the engine. I purchased a differential pressure gage and flow meter to run tests on a newly rebuilt engine at Tom
Pryor's last summer, unfortunately that didn't happen for various reasons. I shipped the test gear to Manny's with a view to do the
testing there unfortunately the same thing happened and the testing wasn't done but for different reasons. I WILL figger out a way
to do the testing!

For additional information see;

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6398-455-2f-403-engine-oil-flow-path.html

and:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6805-oem-engine-26amp-3b-trans-oil-coolers.html

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Larry
Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 3:07 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] OFF NET RE: Das Boot

Rob, You have mine....remember? Don't need to buy another. I'm bringing it to Shawnee....or am I?

Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
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