OEM oil and trans coolers

Greg C.

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Somewhere, I saw online some pictures of the OEM coolers that had been taken out of a TZE radiator. I've been looking on the photo site, but didn't
see it.

Does anyone remember seeing these somewhere?
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Greg Crawford
KM4ZCR
Knoxville, TN

"Ruby Sue"
1977 Royale
Rear Bath
403 Engine
American Eagle Wheels
Early Version Alex Sirum Quad bags
 
Why not add stand alone, after market units. I'm not fortunate enough to
own one of these iconic coaches, however I have an Astro van and have
upgraded the entire cooling system as follows;
3core all aluminum radiator with an FRS extra heavy duty electric fan kit.
Hayden #1679 extra heavy duty transmission boil cooler, and my latest
addition, a 15 row engine oil cooler. If I ever save enough money to own my
own GMC I will do similar modifications.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 8:20 AM Robert Mueller via Gmclist <

> Greg,
>
> Here you go:
>
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6805-oem-engine-26amp-3b-trans-oil-coolers.html
>
> --
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> Rob M. (USAussie)
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
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Holy crap! These photos support the theory that you should bypass these OEM coolers after an engine failure! Talk about harboring rogue particles!
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Corey P /

Hilliard, OH /
1974 Glacier 26' /
3.70 FD /
ION Wheels
 
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> Holy crap! These photos support the theory that you should bypass these OEM coolers after an engine failure! Talk about harboring rogue particles!

Or, when you have an engine failure, if your radiator is copper, have the end cap desoldered and a new cooler installed.
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
I sure never, never, trust an oil cooler to use again after an engine
failure. It's kinda like Tupperware containers of leftovers in the
refrigerator. "If in doubt, throw it out.!"
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Jan 19, 2021, 10:36 AM Larry via Gmclist
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> > Holy crap! These photos support the theory that you should bypass these
> OEM coolers after an engine failure! Talk about harboring rogue particles!
>
> Or, when you have an engine failure, if your radiator is copper, have the
> end cap desoldered and a new cooler installed.
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> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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That was my thought too.
Ken B.

> Why not add stand alone, after market units. I'm not fortunate enough to
> own one of these iconic coaches, however I have an Astro van and have
> upgraded the entire cooling system as follows;
> 3core all aluminum radiator with an FRS extra heavy duty electric fan kit.
> Hayden #1679 extra heavy duty transmission boil cooler, and my latest
> addition, a 15 row engine oil cooler. If I ever save enough money to own my
> own GMC I will do similar modifications.

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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Just my thoughts on external “coolers”, the OEM coolers do a lot more than just cool the oils. They also heat the oil when cold to get engine
bearings and transmission moving parts to operating temps long before they would if you had an external only. “Cooler”. The OEM coolers in the
radiators also control operating temp to stay in optimum working temperature for maximum longevity. In my thoughts Running an engine oil or
transmission oil to cold is as bad as running to hot. If you have ever started a diesel in dead cold of winter without an engine heater you can
understand where Im coming from. I also have had good results with our local big truck radiator shop cleaning coolers that were contaminated. They
have a reversible hot flush machine.

> I would trust it if it was flushed with:
>
> http://www.hotflusher.com/automotive/hotflush-machine.cfm

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C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
 
Chuck. I have heard that story before before but I really wonder about the cold oil part because there is a bypass valve in the oil filter base that
does not send the oil to the cooler if the oil is too thick (cold). I am not disagreeing. I am just wondering.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
I can see cold oil could be a problem. but in our application I think it is pretty rare situation as most times we are not using our GMC's when that
might actually be a major issue. still takes time for radiator to get up to temp, and you are still running plenty of cold oil prior to radiator
warm up. having the oil running through the radiator cooler just changing the timing. It might though keep a more "stable" temp. If I do start
my GMC in sub zero, I have went to hooking up a magnetic block heater on the oil pan. too many variable factors involved to really know what it does
for our coaches long term. There are plenty who have the cooler bypassed with many miles.

as far as transmission temps go, I have never heard someone complain of transmissions running too cool?? with my recent failure of my transmission
I also start questioning why it is routed in the radiator. 180 degrees transmission temp is what i understand is on the high side. My coach runs
at 195-200. I know the radiator is not near 195 or 200 now per my IR gun. but still I wonder why you would want to run 150 degree transmission
fluid through a radiator when you read statements like As a rule of thumb, every 20 degree increase in operating temperature above 175 degrees F. cuts
the life of the fluid in half! At 195 degrees F., for instance, fluid life is reduced to 50,000 miles.

Even though I am extremely impressed with my superior aluminum radiator, I don't think they have a very good fluid cooler in it, just my casual
observation. it might make up for that because the entire radiator cools so well that it just does not get that hot... my recent transmission
destruction I am not reusing the cooler in the radiator. but I have noticed that most tranny coolers are pretty small in size. I bought one,
installed it, but now found one twice the size that will go in this spring.

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Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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