I went to a rally at Coos bay several years ago which was the second (and
final) rally I attended. My take.
The people were very social and excited to explain/show all aspects of
their gmcs. This was a huge positive.
The cost of the rally included a couple meals and a spot in the parking lot
to “camp”. The meals just plain were not good. At all. I ended up spending
most of my time at the nearby dunes because myself and my son had dirt
bikes and we went and hung out with another gmcer and his wife. This couple
was closest in age to me (slightly younger, I am 51 right now) and we had
more in common with them outside of gmc life. We rode bikes spun lies and
had a great time.
For the provided amenities (was nice to have a shower since the interior of
The War Pig was gutted on this trip) the daily cost of the rally would have
been decent if the food was good which it was not.
My 2 c.
Sully
Bellevue wa
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ben via Gmclist
wrote:
> Les Burt[1
> > While I understand and respect your opinion and reasoning, one big
> problem is the newcomers are not coming to GMCnet. Your desire to help is
> not
> > reaching the majority of those that need it the most. As has been
> discussed many times in the recent past, main reason is the GMCnet is not
> > user-friendly to them. Most of the older members here grew up with this
> platform, so we don't necessarily see what the younger crowd is having
> > difficulty with.
> >
> > I too am concerned about changing to a new address. Updating and
> improving GMCnet would be much wiser, but the owner seems to be resistant
> and so
> > are many of the members. What we need to sort out is what GMCnet's
> priority should be. Future growth and sustainability with the main
> objective of
> > supporting All TZE owners, or support of it aging gurus who don't see
> the need to change what works.
> >
> >
> > Les Burt
> > Montreal
> > '75 Eleganza 26'
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I guess I may be getting set in my ways but I don't see a need to
> completely switch to a new site. In fact, if we do that I may just drop out
> > > and spend my time elsewhere. I have a lot of other things I can do
> with the years I may have left.
> > >
> > > I have been posting since almost the beginning of this site. At this
> point I mostly post to provide information to other, mostly newer,
> > > owners.
> > >
> > > If any other long time users feel the same way, I can see the
> impending end of this valuable site.
> > >
> > > Emery Stora
> > > 77 Kingsley
> > > Frederick CO
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> I'd like to offer an angle on what Mr. Burt said.
>
> I'm 38, with a family, and a new owner.
>
> My generation of owners faces three issues - none of them relating to
> access to technical information, which this site is.
>
> And thinking of it now, a new forum - maybe a complementary one - could
> help out a little.
>
> 1: Price vs. Value
>
> Economy has changed. These coaches are priced entirely on value.
> Rationally, 80% of them should come with an envelope with 20K in cash just
> to get the
> inside normal and the wiring stock. That's not going to happen. There is a
> vanishing minority of coaches worth the asking prices; the best of the rest
> are vaguely road-worthy, and the majority simply not a good proposition to
> a family.
>
> 2: Outreach. The local club, of which I attended two meetings,
> is....insular. Nice folks. Can't remember a name. Sat at the table and was
> ignored.
> Twice.
>
> There is a huge opportunity to reengage with families, campgrounds,
> rallies....if some effort is made to just say "Hi. What do your kids like
> doing
> and how could we make our rallies more attractive"?
>
> Vintage is huge. Americana is huge. Return to family values is huge.
> Advertise and identify as that and people will come.
>
> Right now the community is a late-eighties Never-Never land. Sorry if
> that's rude. I love this place. But you're advertising (sort of) a retired
> lifestyle to people who want to take their young families and grow them on
> the road in the Coaches. It's a wrong angle if you want to grow a new base.
>
>
> 3: A decent, modern, drop-in re-engine option. Not one that pleases the
> gearheads and wizards and the conservatives. One that will turn on and run
> like a suburban.
> My generation does not have the mechanical and engineering grounding most
> of the current owner base does.
>
> It's not that it's too technical. These are simple machines. It's that the
> discussion of the tech has become impenetrable and opinion-oriented. Which
> adds even further to the sense of confusion your average new owner will
> feel when asking "What does it take to get this running right?"
>
>
> This went further than I thought it would, and I basically pulled a 180, I
> realize. But after thinking about what it took to find and buy a good coach
> that wasn't a total reno or a total pile, I shifted. This place could
> benefit from a little more air.
>
>
> - Respectfully
>
>
>
> --
> “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some
> kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and
> too rare to die.”
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>
final) rally I attended. My take.
The people were very social and excited to explain/show all aspects of
their gmcs. This was a huge positive.
The cost of the rally included a couple meals and a spot in the parking lot
to “camp”. The meals just plain were not good. At all. I ended up spending
most of my time at the nearby dunes because myself and my son had dirt
bikes and we went and hung out with another gmcer and his wife. This couple
was closest in age to me (slightly younger, I am 51 right now) and we had
more in common with them outside of gmc life. We rode bikes spun lies and
had a great time.
For the provided amenities (was nice to have a shower since the interior of
The War Pig was gutted on this trip) the daily cost of the rally would have
been decent if the food was good which it was not.
My 2 c.
Sully
Bellevue wa
On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 12:53 PM Ben via Gmclist
wrote:
> Les Burt[1
> > While I understand and respect your opinion and reasoning, one big
> problem is the newcomers are not coming to GMCnet. Your desire to help is
> not
> > reaching the majority of those that need it the most. As has been
> discussed many times in the recent past, main reason is the GMCnet is not
> > user-friendly to them. Most of the older members here grew up with this
> platform, so we don't necessarily see what the younger crowd is having
> > difficulty with.
> >
> > I too am concerned about changing to a new address. Updating and
> improving GMCnet would be much wiser, but the owner seems to be resistant
> and so
> > are many of the members. What we need to sort out is what GMCnet's
> priority should be. Future growth and sustainability with the main
> objective of
> > supporting All TZE owners, or support of it aging gurus who don't see
> the need to change what works.
> >
> >
> > Les Burt
> > Montreal
> > '75 Eleganza 26'
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I guess I may be getting set in my ways but I don't see a need to
> completely switch to a new site. In fact, if we do that I may just drop out
> > > and spend my time elsewhere. I have a lot of other things I can do
> with the years I may have left.
> > >
> > > I have been posting since almost the beginning of this site. At this
> point I mostly post to provide information to other, mostly newer,
> > > owners.
> > >
> > > If any other long time users feel the same way, I can see the
> impending end of this valuable site.
> > >
> > > Emery Stora
> > > 77 Kingsley
> > > Frederick CO
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > GMCnet mailing list
> > > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > > http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>
> I'd like to offer an angle on what Mr. Burt said.
>
> I'm 38, with a family, and a new owner.
>
> My generation of owners faces three issues - none of them relating to
> access to technical information, which this site is.
>
> And thinking of it now, a new forum - maybe a complementary one - could
> help out a little.
>
> 1: Price vs. Value
>
> Economy has changed. These coaches are priced entirely on value.
> Rationally, 80% of them should come with an envelope with 20K in cash just
> to get the
> inside normal and the wiring stock. That's not going to happen. There is a
> vanishing minority of coaches worth the asking prices; the best of the rest
> are vaguely road-worthy, and the majority simply not a good proposition to
> a family.
>
> 2: Outreach. The local club, of which I attended two meetings,
> is....insular. Nice folks. Can't remember a name. Sat at the table and was
> ignored.
> Twice.
>
> There is a huge opportunity to reengage with families, campgrounds,
> rallies....if some effort is made to just say "Hi. What do your kids like
> doing
> and how could we make our rallies more attractive"?
>
> Vintage is huge. Americana is huge. Return to family values is huge.
> Advertise and identify as that and people will come.
>
> Right now the community is a late-eighties Never-Never land. Sorry if
> that's rude. I love this place. But you're advertising (sort of) a retired
> lifestyle to people who want to take their young families and grow them on
> the road in the Coaches. It's a wrong angle if you want to grow a new base.
>
>
> 3: A decent, modern, drop-in re-engine option. Not one that pleases the
> gearheads and wizards and the conservatives. One that will turn on and run
> like a suburban.
> My generation does not have the mechanical and engineering grounding most
> of the current owner base does.
>
> It's not that it's too technical. These are simple machines. It's that the
> discussion of the tech has become impenetrable and opinion-oriented. Which
> adds even further to the sense of confusion your average new owner will
> feel when asking "What does it take to get this running right?"
>
>
> This went further than I thought it would, and I basically pulled a 180, I
> realize. But after thinking about what it took to find and buy a good coach
> that wasn't a total reno or a total pile, I shifted. This place could
> benefit from a little more air.
>
>
> - Respectfully
>
>
>
> --
> “There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some
> kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and
> too rare to die.”
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>
