New build (maybe)

Hal:

Sounds like a cool project!

Any pics posted yet / how do I follow along?

Thx - Chip

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> As I'm building a new frame a loop will be required for axle/half shaft clearance. Driving the rear wheels should let me hide any in floor intrusion
> of the differential or half shafts (if necessary, it'll be close) under the bed. The stretch makes room for the rear wheel drive with about a foot
> extension behind the axle. The taller new frame will help with ground clearance especially with the 12" added overhang.
> Lots of fun, thanks for watching.
> Hal
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> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
> 1975 Eleganza II, 101230,
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
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Thanks Billy.

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Hal,

How much higher do you reckon the floor will be?
I'm assuming you're using the stock front clip, minus the engine and transmission, so the new frame is from the front clip back, right?

I'm having visions of a lift-the-body & remove-the-front-clip GMC rejuvenation drive-through! 😉

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
Richard, if even with the floor the differential would hang below the chassis about 3 1/2" which would equate to about 5 1/2-6" ground clearance
depending on ride height. I can easily lower the bogey box another inch if necessary to raise that number and keep rear geometry and handling
characteristics intact. The average auto has about 6" and we usually have a toad which has less than that (Mini Cooper). And yes on the new frame. I'd
love to redo the front with more caster and maybe a rack and pinion but that would open up a whole new can of worms. I wish I'd have gotten into GMC's
earlier but it is what it is.
Hal
--
1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Hal,

My definition of 'little' differs from yours... by a lot!

Your build would interest probably only 95% of motor-heads, fabricators, makers, etc, and 100% of a guy who wouldn't mind being your agent scheduling
your interviews when you start making the rounds.

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
Hal,

Since I certainly don't have the 20-30 years left to try to catch up with
your skills, I especially appreciate your letting us follow along! :-)

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:38 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <

> Got a little more done, here's a bit of it;
> https://youtu.be/QjazAlBQFH4
> Hal
> --
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
> 1975 Eleganza II, 101230,
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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Thanks guys, it is fun-mostly. That gutting of the Royale hasn't been much fun though. The fabrication stuff, now that is fun. Lots of new stuff to
piece together.
Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Gutting the coach is a lot more “fun” than rebuilding it imo.

I sure enjoy watching your process. Please keep it up.

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 12:47 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <

> Thanks guys, it is fun-mostly. That gutting of the Royale hasn't been much
> fun though. The fabrication stuff, now that is fun. Lots of new stuff to
> piece together.
> Hal
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own
> mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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Yes i love watching the skills and creativeness of others....its inspires us all keep goong with our tiny projects :d
--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
Hal,
Nice work.
In your video, you rest the bogie box on a short piece of 2x3 tubing, making it appear as though you are spacing the box outwards from the framerail. I assume this is not the case and that the short 2x3 tube will fit behind the large plate when all is assembled.

I am following this closely. You are creating what I’ve wanted to do for years. Lack of available time, and a CFO with different views has been my limiting factor.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

>
> Yes i love watching the skills and creativeness of others....its inspires us all keep goong with our tiny projects :d
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>
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I used the 2x3 tube just as a temp. spacer to show the relationship to the frame. The bogey box will be 2" below the normal location on the frame
though. It helps give the differential some needed extra ground clearance ( a smidgen over 8") as well as the engine/trans. And yes, the plate will be
in front of the 2" drop.
I'm blessed to have a CFO that's very understanding with all my unorthodox building. Things have usually come to fruition in the past and I pray this
one will also.
Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Hal,

Your new frame is going to have deeper frame rail channels, right? You know how when the coach is at the proper ride height the belt line isn't
level, it's down at the back? I'm trying to picture if the change in frame rails will provide an opportunity to 'level' the body.

I've been tied up with prepping to leave Phoenix, so I'm behind in things. Was I supposed to set up a GoFundHalGMCFab account...? There are a whole
slew of things I'm putting on the list for you to fix! :)

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
 
Richard, the frame won't change the ride attitude but adding the 2" under the bogey box will. It should make it close to level I'd guess. Now that
GoFundMe idea sounds interresting...maybe NOT. :d
Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Having a taller frame rail was an idea I’ve tossed about since I’ve owned a TZE. If I ever have some new rails manufactured, I intend to make them 2“ taller. This allows a bunch of potential. Originally I wanted the extra 2“ of engine to hatch clearance, but the taller rails also permit deeper custom fuel and holding tanks, more room for under tank insulation, and slightly larger tire diameters. What I know I won’t like is the higher body stance. I like the low stance of the stock coaches.

Hal’s RWD mods make me want to try building a custom 23’ coach with all 4 rear wheels driven. It would be a decent camper for mild offroad use. Not too long, not too heavy, soft ride, and decent traction.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

>
> Richard, the frame won't change the ride attitude but adding the 2" under the bogey box will. It should make it close to level I'd guess. Now that
> GoFundMe idea sounds interresting...maybe NOT. :d
> Hal
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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Less, I raised the body 2.5" on my first build (6.5 Diesel with 4l80e trans) and added the ground effects fiberglass all around that hides the frame.
It worked fine and I was able to build a 75 gallon single fuel tank with the added height provided. It also let the engine hatch remain virtually
intact. This build should let me use the engine/trans compartment to great advantage for a generator (5kw 2 cylinder Kabota) as well as a fuel tank,
and batteries. There should be room for holding tanks where the gas tanks once resided with an added 1" height and an extra foot of length in front of
the wheels. I shouldn't need to add the ground effects, maybe only adding wheel well flares to hide the height increase. Still a lot in limbo at this
juncture.
Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
All the Buskirk stretch coaches were raised a little over 2”, I have MPFI and everything clears without raising the engine door.

JR Wright

>
> Less, I raised the body 2.5" on my first build (6.5 Diesel with 4l80e trans) and added the ground effects fiberglass all around that hides the frame.
> It worked fine and I was able to build a 75 gallon single fuel tank with the added height provided. It also let the engine hatch remain virtually
> intact. This build should let me use the engine/trans compartment to great advantage for a generator (5kw 2 cylinder Kabota) as well as a fuel tank,
> and batteries. There should be room for holding tanks where the gas tanks once resided with an added 1" height and an extra foot of length in front of
> the wheels. I shouldn't need to add the ground effects, maybe only adding wheel well flares to hide the height increase. Still a lot in limbo at this
> juncture.
> Hal
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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Made a small detour to meet with Manny so lost a few days but here is some progress on the build. Getting into some of the fun 'stuff'
Hal

https://youtu.be/j2_M2Nwvkqo
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."

1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Only one thing I can say: WOW!!!

Ken H.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:55 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <

> Made a small detour to meet with Manny so lost a few days but here is some
> progress on the build. Getting into some of the fun 'stuff'
> Hal
>
> https://youtu.be/j2_M2Nwvkqo
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own
> mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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