Need good 403 Block with original bore

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Good Afternoon

My 403 recently failed and my rebuilder is looking for a stock 403 block, preferably in the Midwest area. (I live in Milwaukee and my rebuilder lives
in Marion Iowa near Cedar Rapids.

I would greatly appreciate anyone's help.

Thanks everyone.

Ray
mailto:Ray.Erspamer
414-484-9431
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale
414-484-9431
 
Try checking with recyclers under "1977, 1978 Oldsmobile 403 engine" If you
say GMC, people willl not have a clue of what you are wanting.

Sammy

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:42 PM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

> Good Afternoon
>
> My 403 recently failed and my rebuilder is looking for a stock 403 block,
> preferably in the Midwest area. (I live in Milwaukee and my rebuilder lives
> in Marion Iowa near Cedar Rapids.
>
> I would greatly appreciate anyone's help.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Ray
> mailto:Ray.Erspamer
> 414-484-9431
> --
> Ray Erspamer
> 78 GMC Royale
> 414-484-9431
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I have 2. West Coast.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 4:42 PM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

> Good Afternoon
>
> My 403 recently failed and my rebuilder is looking for a stock 403 block,
> preferably in the Midwest area. (I live in Milwaukee and my rebuilder lives
> in Marion Iowa near Cedar Rapids.
>
> I would greatly appreciate anyone's help.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Ray
> mailto:Ray.Erspamer
> 414-484-9431
> --
> Ray Erspamer
> 78 GMC Royale
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You never know what your going to get.
Why can't they do that block.
The engine rebuilders association has a standard for doing a block. If one
cylinder is really bad, they will bore it and sleeve it.
As long as the shop knows what they are doing, it will last a long time.

On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:24 PM Sammy Williams via Gmclist <

> Try checking with recyclers under "1977, 1978 Oldsmobile 403 engine" If you
> say GMC, people willl not have a clue of what you are wanting.
>
> Sammy
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 6:42 PM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

>
> > Good Afternoon
> >
> > My 403 recently failed and my rebuilder is looking for a stock 403 block,
> > preferably in the Midwest area. (I live in Milwaukee and my rebuilder
> lives
> > in Marion Iowa near Cedar Rapids.
> >
> > I would greatly appreciate anyone's help.
> >
> > Thanks everyone.
> >
> > Ray
> > mailto:Ray.Erspamer
> > 414-484-9431
> > --
> > Ray Erspamer
> > 78 GMC Royale
> > 414-484-9431
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
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The engine was rebuilt once already and bored to .040 over. That is the max for a 403.
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale
414-484-9431
 
On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:39 AM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

> The engine was rebuilt once already and bored to .040 over. That is the
> max for a 403.
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jimk
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Did you have the bore miked i? If you don't Have a lot of miles on the last rebuild you might just need to have it honed and new pistons or the old
ones if they are still good.
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Roy Keen
Minden,NV
76 X Glenbrook
 
Ray,
I'm sorry to hear about your 403. Didn't you just replace it in 2017? What happened? Do you know yet?

Russell
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1978 E2 "Harry" 403 (still carbureted), Danny Dunn Tranny, Thorley, Stock Brakes w/Remote Vacuum Brake Booster, Quad Bags, Dakota Digital Dash, 6.5 kW
Onan, Dunedin, Florida
 
I seriously doubt that block is available in 403 configuration.

But there is an interesting note in their list of specifications: "STANDARD
OLDS DISTRIBUTORS. NOTE: BE SURE TO CHECK DISTRIBUTOR TO OIL PUMP SHAFT
CLEARANCE WITH DISTRIBUTOR, INTAKE MANIFOLD AND OIL PUMP INSTALLED ON
BLOCK. " That sounds like a precaution against Bob Dunahugh and Ken
Shaffer's recent experience.

Which reminds me of the conversation after I mentioned that event to John
Beaver yesterday: I eventually mentioned Richard Waters' loss of the BRASS
distributor gear a couple of years ago. John was not surprised and advised
me that it's inevitable when a brass gear is used with an OEM-style cam.
On the other hand, a brass gear MUST be used with a billet cam! Which is
something to remember when considering a cam replacement.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, Troy-Bilt APU, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:02 PM Todd Snyder via Gmclist <

> Here you go, but it might not fit, only $5k for the new block:
>
>
> https://rocketracingperformance.com/rrp-olds-block
>
>
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Yes, I just replaced it 2017, it had 6500 miles on it and burned a hole in #8 piston. Still trying to figure out what caused it.
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale
414-484-9431
 
Ray,
Might contact Dick Patterson and see what he thinks.
8 is next to 1 and 4 so there is a possibility that the ignition wires can
cross fire and cause it to combust prematurely at times and cause that
problem.
I know Jasper publishes that 5 &7 does it and destroys the pistons.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 1:12 PM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

> Yes, I just replaced it 2017, it had 6500 miles on it and burned a hole in
> #8 piston. Still trying to figure out what caused it.
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jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Excessive heat that was not carried away by the cooling system at a fast
enough rate of exchange.
403 engines have cylinders in pairs, like siamese twins. They are
joined side by side with no water jackets between them. In hard water
areas, where tap water is used instead of distilled water, minerals in the
coolant can turn to hard scale around the hottest parts of the engines.
Hard mineral scale is an excellent insulator, and is very difficult to
remove from internal surfaces when using modern hot tank chemistry. The
days of using caustic (toxic) lye solutions are long gone. I quit using my
hot tank over 10 years ago because the chemistry is no longer available,
and dish washing machine detergents just don't get the job done.
Media blasting will remove it, but if so much as a teaspoon of the
stuff gets left behind, bad ju-ju.
Steel shot blasting, same deal.
S &J uses a super hot oven, heats the castings very hot for 24 hours, and
turns the stuff to ashes. Then, follows up with water based cleaning
solutions.
If your 403 block was not de-scaled when it was overhauled, that MIGHT
be one of the causes of overheat, along with ignition timing, crappy
gasoline, lean air fuel mixtures, vacuum leaks, higher combustion
temperatures from overbored cylinders, tightly fitted pistons, and the beat
goes on.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 1:12 PM Ray Erspamer via Gmclist <

> Yes, I just replaced it 2017, it had 6500 miles on it and burned a hole in
> #8 piston. Still trying to figure out what caused it.
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When we did flat motors we had two tanks with HydroSeal Gunk and one with a caustic solution for non-ferrous metals. Heated to about 195f and the
basket in them (3'x4')raised and lowered and agitated on air pressure. They got aluminum cases and steel rods and shafts squeaky clean fairly
quickly. They were the stuff of EPA nightmares... but we didn't know any better and they worked well. Some of the B and RB engines which came out of
Chrysler's Mound Road Engine Plant in the late 60s and early 70s weren't completely cleaned of casting sand in the water passages. If you had one
that had a heat problem, you had to pull out the freeze plugs and clean them out and replug them.

--johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
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