Long vs Short / Oily vs Dry

jerry hartley

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I will accept that short lug bolts are adequate. Nevertheless, I am
switching to long bolts because I will feel better. The longer bolts may
not give any added safety margin but safety is certainly not diminished.
So if I can feel better for only $87 I will go for it.
Oily vs Dry is not a feel good question, however, and I don't think
anyone's opinion will be more convincing than the excellent post by
Robin S. Balcom.
 
Jerry,
The $87 that you have invested so far is about 1/3 to 1/4 the cost it
will cost you to install them. By the time that you replace the seals,
repack or replace the bearing and other things that you may damage
getting the studs pressed out of the hubs and reinstalled. More power
to you if you really must have the new studs.

J.R.Wright

>
> I will accept that short lug bolts are adequate. Nevertheless, I am
> switching to long bolts because I will feel better. The longer bolts may
> not give any added safety margin but safety is certainly not diminished.
> So if I can feel better for only $87 I will go for it.
> Oily vs Dry is not a feel good question, however, and I don't think
> anyone's opinion will be more convincing than the excellent post by
> Robin S. Balcom.
 
I purchased my GMC recently and don't know its history so I had already
determined to replace all wheel bearings & seals. Replacing the studs
sounds like a little extra work. Removing the old, rusty bolts which
hold the brake drum and hub together has turned out to be more than a
little extra work. The bolts are recessed inside the brake drum and
require an extension making it difficult to control a cheater bar.
Further, they are too close to the hub to allow a thick walled impact
socket to fit (minor problem). The studs themselves have not been a
problem. This is a manageable, but a significant task. I will probably
clean threads up with a tap and die and remove all oil, liquid wrench,
etc. with solvent prior to reassembly.
I am working on the back wheels and I see no danger to the bearings and
seals in just replacing the studs. If I were not replacing the bearings
and seals, however, I would say that installing longer lug bolts is not
worth the significant effort. Jerry.

>
> Jerry,
> The $87 that you have invested so far is about 1/3 to 1/4 the cost it
> will cost you to install them. By the time that you replace the seals,
> repack or replace the bearing and other things that you may damage
> getting the studs pressed out of the hubs and reinstalled. More power
> to you if you really must have the new studs.
>
> J.R.Wright
>

> >
> > I will accept that short lug bolts are adequate. Nevertheless, I am
> > switching to long bolts because I will feel better. The longer bolts may
> > not give any added safety margin but safety is certainly not diminished.
> > So if I can feel better for only $87 I will go for it.
> > Oily vs Dry is not a feel good question, however, and I don't think
> > anyone's opinion will be more convincing than the excellent post by
> > Robin S. Balcom.
 
That's about right. Cinnabar quotes $289.50 to replace the lug bolts
at the time they install Alcoa wheels. $132.00 for the bolts and $157.50
for the labor. For an additional $160 they will replace the front wheel
bearings.

Their quoted price for 7 Alcoa wheels, Michelin tires and labor is
$2810. This price does not include the lugs. So Cinnabar's price for new
Alcoa wheels could exceed $3,000!

Please note that this information comes from a price list they
gave me last year.

I might just pass on new lugs when I get my Alcoa wheels next year!

Richard Waters '76 PB (still running on steel wheels), Troy, MI

> Jerry,
> The $87 that you have invested so far is about 1/3 to 1/4 the cost it
> will cost you to install them. By the time that you replace the seals,
> repack or replace the bearing and other things that you may damage
> getting the studs pressed out of the hubs and reinstalled. More power
> to you if you really must have the new studs.
>
> J.R.Wright
>

> >
> > I will accept that short lug bolts are adequate. Nevertheless, I am
> > switching to long bolts because I will feel better. The longer bolts may
> > not give any added safety margin but safety is certainly not diminished.
> > So if I can feel better for only $87 I will go for it.
> > Oily vs Dry is not a feel good question, however, and I don't think
> > anyone's opinion will be more convincing than the excellent post by
> > Robin S. Balcom.