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richard missett

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Could someone confirm that knuckles from a 77 Tornado are compatible
with our coaches and if so do you know what size reamer is needed for
the ball joints. TIA

Dick Missett
73
 
If you are buying new ones, we have the Moog numbers

gene

>Could someone confirm that knuckles from a 77 Tornado are compatible
>with our coaches and if so do you know what size reamer is needed for
>the ball joints. TIA
>
>Dick Missett
>73
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
Toronado was downsized with the 1979 model year. !977 and 1978 Steering
knucles should fit with the exception of the reaming for the ball
joints.

Mark,
I agree with you. Just bring the correct lower ball joint to a machine
shop and they will use that to select the correct tapered reamer.
Steve
 
Just curious - will the same vintage Eldorado knuckles work too?

Patrick

>

> Toronado was downsized with the 1979 model year. !977 and
> 1978 Steering
> knucles should fit with the exception of the reaming for the ball
> joints.
>
> Mark,
> I agree with you. Just bring the correct lower ball joint
> to a machine
> shop and they will use that to select the correct tapered reamer.
> Steve
>
 
Thanks JR! I know of a couple Eldos in pick-a-part yards.

Patrick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jrslaten [mailto:Jrslaten]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 12:34 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Knuckles
>
>
> In a message dated 4/19/00 9:05:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>
> >
> Both Toronado and Eldorado knuckles will work through 1978
> with lower ball
> joint refitted.
> Take care, travel safely......JR
>
 
Thanks to all the Knuckle replies. Found a yard with two 77 Toronados.
(also two 72's with 455's heads missing)

Dick Missett
73
 
Dick,

Where located?

Patrick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DnGMissett [mailto:DnGMissett]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 11:18 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Knuckles
>
>
> Thanks to all the Knuckle replies. Found a yard with two 77 Toronados.
> (also two 72's with 455's heads missing)
>
> Dick Missett
> 73
>
 
Front discs were optional in the early years. Probably weren't standard on
the Toro until around '70.

Patrick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tom warner [mailto:warner]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 9:04 AM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Knuckles
>
>
> I am not aware of a toro or eldo with front brakes other than discs?
>
>
>

> >
> >Just curious - will the same vintage Eldorado knuckles work too?
> >
> >Patrick,
> >Yes, but only if the car had disc brakes.
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
>
 
Tom, I have two sets of knuckles off a 66 and a 67 Toro that both had drum
brakes. Kinda strange looking things.
Pat 77 Birch

> I am not aware of a toro or eldo with front brakes other than discs?
>

> >
> >Just curious - will the same vintage Eldorado knuckles work too?
> >
> >Patrick,
> >Yes, but only if the car had disc brakes.
> >Steve
> >
> >
> >
 
Thanks Dick - Wouldn't mind getting my hands on one of those "headless"
455's, but PA is a little far to go for one...

Patrick

> -----Original Message-----
> From: DnGMissett [mailto:DnGMissett]
> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 10:09 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: RE: GMC: Knuckles
>
>
> Patrick
> Back woods salvage yard in the Endless Mountains (Bradford County) NE
> PA.
>
> Dick
>
 
GMCers,

Since it is getting harder to find early Toros/Eldos at our local salvage
yards (especially up here in the mountains)
I was excited when I found a 73 Toronado to part out. Since I had play in my
front wheel bearings I figured on using the knuckles on my GMC, if mine
turned out to be worn.
They are worn - and so are the ones that came off the Toronado!
While I could have taken the knuckles to a local machine shop to have the
insert put in and the lower ball joint hole reamed, I felt more comfortable
getting reconditioned hubs and knuckles from Ken Thoma (they look great!)

To "make a short story boring", I guess what I'm trying to say is: get that
Eldo/Toro if you can, just keep in mind they are all 20-30 years old and the
ones that are in decent shape usually don't end up in the junk yard - so
don't pay too much!

Peter
77 Eleganza II
Colorado

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Missett"
To:
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: GMC: Knuckles

> Patrick
> Back woods salvage yard in the Endless Mountains (Bradford County) NE
> PA.
>
> Dick
>
>
 
Good point Peter. It seems like salvage yard prices have skyrocketed lately
- - these guys have figured out what a gold mine they have. Most times these
days they base their price on a percentage of retail, so you have to be
careful to get a good deal. Caveat emptor!

Ken Thoma does great work and I also want to put in a plug for the recon'd
hubs and knuckles that Alex Sirum sells. Put a pair of each on my coach -
good looking machine work!

Patrick

>
> They are worn - and so are the ones that came off the Toronado!
> While I could have taken the knuckles to a local machine shop
> to have the insert put in and the lower ball joint hole reamed,
> I felt more comfortable getting reconditioned hubs and knuckles
> from Ken Thoma (they look great!)
 
I keep wondering why we are using Toro ball joints and booring for them
when the corrrect Moog are available and don't require future owners know
that not standard parts are in their coach ??

gene

>GMCers,
>
>Since it is getting harder to find early Toros/Eldos at our local salvage
>yards (especially up here in the mountains)
>I was excited when I found a 73 Toronado to part out. Since I had play in my
>front wheel bearings I figured on using the knuckles on my GMC, if mine
>turned out to be worn.
>They are worn - and so are the ones that came off the Toronado!
>While I could have taken the knuckles to a local machine shop to have the
>insert put in and the lower ball joint hole reamed, I felt more comfortable
>getting reconditioned hubs and knuckles from Ken Thoma (they look great!)
>
>To "make a short story boring", I guess what I'm trying to say is: get that
>Eldo/Toro if you can, just keep in mind they are all 20-30 years old and the
>ones that are in decent shape usually don't end up in the junk yard - so
>don't pay too much!
>
>Peter
>77 Eleganza II
>Colorado
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dick Missett"
>To:
>Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:08 PM
>Subject: RE: GMC: Knuckles
>
>
>> Patrick
>> Back woods salvage yard in the Endless Mountains (Bradford County) NE
>> PA.
>>
>> Dick
>>
>>
>
>
Genef -- 77PB/ore/ca
GMC MOTORHOME INFORMATION
mr.erf
http://www.california.com/~eagle/
 
Gene,

You got it backwards. We're talking about using Toro steering knuckles and
boring them to accept the motorhome lower ball joint taper.

Patrick

>
> I keep wondering why we are using Toro ball joints and
> booring for them when the corrrect Moog are available
> and don't require future owners know that not standard
> parts are in their coach ??
>
> gene
 
Dick, Patrick,

I paid Ken Thoma $125.00 each for the knuckles, $150.00 each for the hubs,
plus shipping (and shipping the cores back). I didn'n know Sirium had
reconditioned hubs and knuckles, I would have checked their price, too.

Peter
77 Eleganza II
Colorado

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick Missett"
To:
Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 8:27 PM
Subject: RE: GMC: Knuckles

> Patrick
> What kind of $ we talking about for the recon'd ?
> TIA
> Dick
>
>
 
I keep wondering why we are using Toro ball joints and booring for them
when the corrrect Moog are available and don't require future owners
know
that not standard parts are in their coach ??
gene

Gene,
I don't know about anyone else but I have a spare set of Toro knuckles
that I had reamed to accept the larger GMC lower ball joint taper. The
knuckle hub/bearing bore is usually damaged by the time you discover
that the PO didn't service the bearings properly and remanufacturing the
existing knuckles is a lot more expensive than boring out the ball joint
taper on a spare set. The Toro/Eldo disc brake knuckles are the same
part, they just need this mod to work on the GMC.
Did I answer your question or make it muddier?
Steve
 
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