Kiddie Fire Extinguisher RECALL - Nov 2, 2017

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I was just made aware of a very large RECALL of KIDDIE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
The problem is they may/will not fire the extinguishment media when you
compress the handle.

https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/support/product-alerts/recall-kidde-fire-extinguisher/

I am also told that the support numbers are swamped with calls so keep trying.

slc
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Those type of units are not worth having in a motorhome when it comes to
endine area fire, as it destroyes electrical connectors.
You need to step up to Fire Fight brand units as they are designed to be
washed off the electrical with no damage.
We have had couple coaches come in with small fires, but the elecctricals
were so bad, the coach was totaled.

> I was just made aware of a very large RECALL of KIDDIE FIRE EXTINGUISHERS.
> The problem is they may/will not fire the extinguishment media when you
> compress the handle.
>
> https://www.kidde.com/home-safety/en/us/support/product-
> alerts/recall-kidde-fire-extinguisher/
>
> I am also told that the support numbers are swamped with calls so keep
> trying.
>
> slc
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Jim Kanomata
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These extinguishers are pretty much standard for interior fires. Most coaches, and I am speaking OTHER than GMC motorhomes, generally do not have a
fire threat in the engine compartment. I'm not saying it does not happen, it just seems it happens more in a GMC motorcoach.

Every RV I have seen has had this type of extinguisher mounted somewhere inside the coach. and sometimes two of them. I keep extinguishers for
safety but I am unsure if it is required, I'd lean to the no they are not side.

So concern is that someone bought a coach and has these hanging on the wall somewhere. The unfortunate reality is they are in place and never moved.
Probably not even checked for pressure. There is not way to test the unit other than when an actual fire occurs so you are depending on the company
that made them to have supplied a reliable fire quenching device. In the case of this recall, they are reaching out for units that have a problem.
If you have one, you need to check it.

There is not a lot of fire fighting ability in these small units. They are for small interior fires, pan on fire on the stove, garbage can catches
fire, small fires. Bigger fires need bigger extinguishers. A GMC engine fire is an entirely different event and requires a more robust type of fire
fighting equipment.

As I was not aware of the recall, I posted the RECALL so everyone can be aware.

slc
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I got notice of the recall last year. I had two of them, applied for new ones, and only received 1 new one shipped to me. In the end of the day, I
just bought a 2nd new one since they were not that expensive.

I keep them primarily for interior fires, although I may look into one for the engine compartment only in case of a fire, per Jim's comment.
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Brian K
1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
Bellevue, WA
Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall apart (discovering more as I go along....)
 
If you think the SOB's do not have fire in engine compartment, you have not
been around the SOB's.
SOB's that are several years old do have issue with fire.
The GMC MH has more as owners do not understand that you never use rubber
hose where the fuel or oil pressure is present.

> I got notice of the recall last year. I had two of them, applied for new
> ones, and only received 1 new one shipped to me. In the end of the day, I
> just bought a 2nd new one since they were not that expensive.
>
> I keep them primarily for interior fires, although I may look into one for
> the engine compartment only in case of a fire, per Jim's comment.
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> Brian K
> 1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
> Bellevue, WA
> Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall
> apart (discovering more as I go along....)
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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> I got notice of the recall last year. I had two of them, applied for new ones, and only received 1 new one shipped to me. In the end of the day,
> I just bought a 2nd new one since they were not that expensive.
>
> I keep them primarily for interior fires, although I may look into one for the engine compartment only in case of a fire, per Jim's comment.

There was a discussion about a year or so ago concerning the GMC engine fires.
It didn't really touch on the ability of these small dry chem ext as far as duration of dispersion but the time is very small, and the media is hard
on components and wiring. Some have said the Dry chem will destroy your wiring and you don't want to get it in the carb. If there is a fire and
thats all you have, you do what you have to do.
But the talk turned to what could be used, and for portable ext I believe the discussion leaned over to a FOAM unit. I have had experience with
diesel fire and foam and foam does a decent job. In the make up of the foam is water so it naturally cools the fuel and foam will float on top of a
fuel so it has a smothering effect. On an engine, the effect is similar, only different as you are applying to hot metal with burning fuel puddling
in engine recesses.
I have no argument with JimKs remarks. As I said earlier, most RVs will have these type of ext and folks should be made aware. The affected ext
would have a small value on an engine fire since the duration of chemical blast is very short, but if it is all you have, you use it.
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G'day,

YEARS ago I compiled the attached document using input from every man and their dog on the GMC net; if anyone has anything to add
please let me know and I'll update the document.

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
 
When I checked last year when this first came up, the 90 or so AFFF foam ones that we bought were not affected by this recall.

If anyone has any different information on these I would like to hear it.

Ken B.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Very nice compilation Rob M.
A lot of good information.

I just checked my Kiddie and found I am not in the affected zone of extinguishers but the PSI guage is just on the REPLACE ZONE.
Further inspection says to inspect all your extinguishers every month.
For Dry Chemical or variants, it is recommended to turn them over (upside down) because the constant pounding of the vehicle
tends to compress the chemical making it less "fluid". Rotating position helps keep it in the "fluid" powder form.

Ken the only thing I have read cautionary on the foam extinguishers is to keep them from freezing. Other wise, they see to be a very stable product.

slc
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A professional friend wrote off a six - seven month old UHF transmitter which ran to just about a million scoots after an electrical fire in the
distribution panel at his plant caught fire and the transmitter blowers spread the powder before it shut itself off. Ruinated.

--johnny
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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I had five of these across house and interior GMC. Took several months, but Kidde did replace them all. Main difference to the untrained eye is the
handles on replacement units are metal, recalled ones were plastic. (Which reminds me, if you have not checked your coach for plastic rear air bag
cones, do it today! Metal replacements are actually getting easier to find now, as lots of people are doing third party bag replacements.)

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1975 Glenbrook, 1978 Royale rear bath
Raleigh, NC
 
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