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Thinking of installing subject item adjacent to or in the coach door using
one similar to what Ford uses on their cars. No need to carry keys or a
transmitter then? Provided battery power is available.

Is anyone familiar with a source for such a system other than Ford? Is
there a GM equivalent? Which model(s) use it?

Paul
 
I would be interested in a Keypad locking system. I really just need the
part that fits the lock and handle. I can control it with anything. If
anyone has any ideas, please let us know.

AL chernoff

> Thinking of installing subject item adjacent to or in the coach door using
> one similar to what Ford uses on their cars. No need to carry keys or a
> transmitter then? Provided battery power is available.
>
> Is anyone familiar with a source for such a system other than Ford? Is
> there a GM equivalent? Which model(s) use it?
>
> Paul
 
Did anyone ever answer Paul's question regarding the Keypad Locking
System? If so, I guess I missed it. I am also interested in the
keyless entry system conversion... (always loosing my keys, at least
this way I could hide a set inside).

Oh, old age and lack of memory and what was that code again?

Terry
75 Avion

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Thinking of installing subject item adjacent to or in the coach door using
one similar to what Ford uses on their cars. No need to carry keys or a
transmitter then? Provided battery power is available.

Is anyone familiar with a source for such a system other than Ford? Is
there a GM equivalent? Which model(s) use it?

Paul

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Terry:

No, I haven't received an e-mail response. However, after subsequently
talking to two separate GM dealer parts people, I'm told that GM does not
use a keypad locking system on their vehicles yet.

In case it's not apparent to you, in my mind there are two keyless entry
system types. One uses a keypad and the other uses a small transmitter with
buttons that is carried by an individual.

Using the former system, one is not burdened with carrying the latter and
inadvertently losing or misplacing it. On the other hand, the latter system
may be simpler to install than the former. You have to cut an opening in
the body/door to mount a keypad. I'm told that the Ford keypad mounting
retainer ring does not allow for a very thick body panel.

A controller for the latter system, which contains two transmitters, can be
obtained from JC Whitney for $30. A heavy duty door lock actuator is
another $35. Linking the actuator to the door lock linkage will require
working out a design.

Although my preference is for a keypad system, it may be more practical to
use the transmitter type.

Looks like I'll have to use the Ford keypad system (of which I have on a
vehicle we drive). It should be readily available from a salvage yard. If
one looks in section 44-16 (IIRC) of a Ford shop manual for the large body
cars, you can ascertain the components needed. There's more needed than you
think. The manual is also needed to determine the wiring configuration
since the modules control a multitude of functions (i. e. anti-theft, etc.),
that won't be applicable to our configuration/use.

Paul Bartz

From: LA-HOGS [mailto:LA-HOGS]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Keypad Locking System

> Did anyone ever answer Paul's
question regarding the Keypad Locking
System? If so, I guess I missed it. I am also interested in the keyless
entry system conversion... (always loosing my keys, at least this way I
could hide a set inside).

Oh, old age and lack of memory and what was that code again?

Terry
 
So if its gonna have to be the Ford system, then so be it! I REALLY
like the idea of the system, plus I don't see why some other keypad
functions can't be utilized with this system. As far as mounting the
electric lock and making brackets, that's not a problem, merely a small
challange.

As far as getting all the stuff I need from the boneyard.... I assume I
will (duh) need the keypad... there must be some sort of computer module
somewhere and how do I get the access codes for various functions for
the racal?

Terry
75 Avion
Restless in Baton Rouge
 
Scott:

If you go to the section in a Ford shop manual I mentioned, I believe it
gives you all the details you seek.

Paul Bartz

From: LA-HOGS [mailto:LA-HOGS]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Keypad Locking System

So if its gonna have to be the Ford system, then so be it! I REALLY like
the idea of the system, plus I don't see why some other keypad functions
can't be utilized with this system. As far as mounting the electric lock
and making brackets, that's not a problem, merely a small challange.

As far as getting all the stuff I need from the boneyard.... I assume I will
(duh) need the keypad... there must be some sort of computer module
somewhere and how do I get the access codes for various functions for the
racal?
 
Ed:

I believe you're taking the newspaper article out of context.

It's talking about the ability of PDA's, such as a Plam III organizer, to
read an infrared signal up to about 10 feet away. IIRC, the signal has to
be aimed from the source directly at the port on the organizer. So it's not
very likely that a Palm III will be in the vicinity.

However, the transmitter type keyless entry units we're talking about, don't
use an infrared signal, but a radio signal with a very short range. Now
everyone knows that most all radio signals can be picked up with frequency
meter. But, have you ever noticed anyone in the parking lot snooping for
your signal??

Paul Bartz

From: ELUBO [mailto:ELUBO]
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Keypad Locking System

In todays USA Today. The keyless locks are easy penatration.

Beward

Ed
 
Thanks for the warning. Maybe I will ask some of the local cops if this
a real problem.... you know how newspapers like to blow everything out
of proportion...

Terry

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In todays USA Today. The keyless locks are easy penatration.

Beward

Ed

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Scott,
Also check out the glovebox for the owners manual.
Im not sure if the boneyard removes that stuff...
But if it were Me I would look.
Rob Teed 74 Painted Desert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Bartz, Paul
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 12:09 PM
> To: 'gmcmotorhome'
> Subject: RE: GMC: Keypad Locking System
>
>
> Scott:
>
> If you go to the section in a Ford shop manual I mentioned, I believe it
> gives you all the details you seek.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: LA-HOGS [mailto:LA-HOGS]
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 11:56 AM
> Subject: RE: GMC: Keypad Locking System
>
> So if its gonna have to be the Ford system, then so be it! I REALLY like
> the idea of the system, plus I don't see why some other keypad functions
> can't be utilized with this system. As far as mounting the electric lock
> and making brackets, that's not a problem, merely a small challange.
>
> As far as getting all the stuff I need from the boneyard.... I
> assume I will
> (duh) need the keypad... there must be some sort of computer module
> somewhere and how do I get the access codes for various functions for the
> racal?
>
>
 
Its the infared lock systems that are the problem. The
" Palm Pilot " computer is able to " Capture " infared
signals then use those signals for remote control. Its
said You could use it to control Your TV remote and
other infared devices...including Your car locking
system,and Your neighbors,the guy in the mall
parking lot,the Governors etc.
Rob Teed 74 Painted Desert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Terry Krauskopf
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 7:37 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Keypad Locking System
>
>
> Thanks for the warning. Maybe I will ask some of the local cops if this
> a real problem.... you know how newspapers like to blow everything out
> of proportion...
>
> Terry
>
>
 
If you are interested in having an alarm and keyless, then consider the
Clifford system, which Accessories Unlimited installed in one of my sedans. It
has a little transmitter keychain, and solenoid acitvated door controls that
open and lock the doors. I have it also in my GMC, but I have not gotten
around to putting in the solenoid, but that's another project. The alarm works
great, guaranteed for life, and senses when someone sticks their head/hand in
the window. Will let you all know when I get the solenoid installed.
Al Chernoff

> Terry:
>
> No, I haven't received an e-mail response. However, after subsequently
> talking to two separate GM dealer parts people, I'm told that GM does not
> use a keypad locking system on their vehicles yet.
>
> In case it's not apparent to you, in my mind there are two keyless entry
> system types. One uses a keypad and the other uses a small transmitter with
> buttons that is carried by an individual.
>
> Using the former system, one is not burdened with carrying the latter and
> inadvertently losing or misplacing it. On the other hand, the latter system
> may be simpler to install than the former. You have to cut an opening in
> the body/door to mount a keypad. I'm told that the Ford keypad mounting
> retainer ring does not allow for a very thick body panel.
>
> A controller for the latter system, which contains two transmitters, can be
> obtained from JC Whitney for $30. A heavy duty door lock actuator is
> another $35. Linking the actuator to the door lock linkage will require
> working out a design.
>
> Although my preference is for a keypad system, it may be more practical to
> use the transmitter type.
>
> Looks like I'll have to use the Ford keypad system (of which I have on a
> vehicle we drive). It should be readily available from a salvage yard. If
> one looks in section 44-16 (IIRC) of a Ford shop manual for the large body
> cars, you can ascertain the components needed. There's more needed than you
> think. The manual is also needed to determine the wiring configuration
> since the modules control a multitude of functions (i. e. anti-theft, etc.),
> that won't be applicable to our configuration/use.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: LA-HOGS [mailto:LA-HOGS]
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 10:47 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Keypad Locking System
>
> > Did anyone ever answer Paul's
> question regarding the Keypad Locking
> System? If so, I guess I missed it. I am also interested in the keyless
> entry system conversion... (always loosing my keys, at least this way I
> could hide a set inside).
>
> Oh, old age and lack of memory and what was that code again?
>
> Terry
 
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