Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more

dan winchester

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While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I started looking at the
joint where the back cap joined the side wall and noticed some crumbling
caulk. After I was done picking at this I could see daylight at the top
corner and at the beltline. I have documented what these look like at:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.php?aid=1105&uuid=thistle
GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these holes and after 30+ years
it has no ability to hold out water. It is no wonder the floor in this
corner is rotten.

These holes are now filled with a modern urethane sealer/adhesive (Sika
221) that was used to install my new Omnistor awning.

Dan & Carol Winchester
78 Royal
Portland, OR
gmc.dwinchester.com
 
'Tis a miracle we actually ever finish any project on a vintage
motorhome considering we always find at least 2 other things to be
repaired before the original one can be done!

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist=20
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Dan Winchester
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>=20
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> While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I started looking=20
> at the joint where the back cap joined the side wall and=20
> noticed some crumbling caulk. After I was done picking at=20
> this I could see daylight at the top corner and at the=20
> beltline. I have documented what these look like at:=20
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.p>
hp?aid 1105&uuid thistle
> GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these holes and=20
> after 30+ years it has no ability to hold out water. It is=20
> no wonder the floor in this corner is rotten.
>=20
> These holes are now filled with a modern urethane=20
> sealer/adhesive (Sika
> 221) that was used to install my new Omnistor awning.
>=20
> Dan & Carol Winchester
> 78 Royal
> Portland, OR
> gmc.dwinchester.com
> =20
>=20
>=20
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NOT going to go there!

Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, yet unnamed
Fallbrook, CA

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gmclist [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf
Of Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:52 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more

'Tis a miracle we actually ever finish any project on a vintage
motorhome considering we always find at least 2 other things to be
repaired before the original one can be done!

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Dan Winchester
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Subject: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>
>
> While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I started looking
> at the joint where the back cap joined the side wall and
> noticed some crumbling caulk. After I was done picking at
> this I could see daylight at the top corner and at the
> beltline. I have documented what these look like at:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.p>
hp?aid=1105&uuid=thistle
> GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these holes and
> after 30+ years it has no ability to hold out water. It is
> no wonder the floor in this corner is rotten.
>
> These holes are now filled with a modern urethane
> sealer/adhesive (Sika
> 221) that was used to install my new Omnistor awning.
>
> Dan & Carol Winchester
> 78 Royal
> Portland, OR
> gmc.dwinchester.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Len,

How right you are, as someone said, "betcha GM never
figured these coaches would still be around being
used". There are many areas where the sealant used
has succummed to leaking--- the coach is comparitively
large to a car and there are MANY spots like this.
One reason it is so difficult to find them all and
keep them from popping loose.

They are difficult on us, people do not laugh when you
spend their $ only to find more leaks shortly after
you said they were all sealed. That is why I can make
no guaranty that a coach will not develope a leak-- no
one can.

We are also going to fill in the spot welds GM pit the
body together with. If you look at the recent
destruction on the coaches that were wrecked and blown
apart, the roof seam failed, if this seam were welded
better, maybe the body would not flex and pop seams so
easily. We are going to try. At this point though, I
tell folks to have a selection of different sealants
with them in the coach in case a leak pops up-- self
leveling stuff, neutral cure RTV silocone, aluminum
and duct tape for those fast, short term fixes and if
you are really worried a big plastic bag to park the
coach in if they get really bad-- just kidding.

Thanks for bringing this up, know we all suffer with
you and if you say that your coach has no leaks, look
behind walls and in places you don't normally see--- I
betcha there is a leak somewhere!

Jim Bounds
------------------

> NOT going to go there!
>
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, yet unnamed
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf
> Of Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:52 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't
> leak more
>
> 'Tis a miracle we actually ever finish any project
> on a vintage
> motorhome considering we always find at least 2
> other things to be
> repaired before the original one can be done!
>
> Big Jim
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmclist
> > [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Dan
> Winchester
> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
> > To: GMC Mail List
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't
> leak more
> >
> >
> > While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I
> started looking
> > at the joint where the back cap joined the side
> wall and
> > noticed some crumbling caulk. After I was done
> picking at
> > this I could see daylight at the top corner and at
> the
> > beltline. I have documented what these look like
> at:
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.p>
> hp?aid=1105&uuid=thistle
> > GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these
> holes and
> > after 30+ years it has no ability to hold out
> water. It is
> > no wonder the floor in this corner is rotten.
> >
> > These holes are now filled with a modern urethane
> > sealer/adhesive (Sika
> > 221) that was used to install my new Omnistor
> awning.
> >
> > Dan & Carol Winchester
> > 78 Royal
> > Portland, OR
> > gmc.dwinchester.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Very true, I have been chasing them also even with everything out,
they are hard to find during a rain. I filled the rail on top of each
side with RV puddy, the best stuff and it still could be leaking. Put
in new windows because I could not get the old one to stop leaking.

Carleton

> Len,
>=20
> How right you are, as someone said, "betcha GM never
> figured these coaches would still be around being
> used". There are many areas where the sealant used
> has succummed to leaking--- the coach is comparitively
> large to a car and there are MANY spots like this.
> One reason it is so difficult to find them all and
> keep them from popping loose.
>=20
> They are difficult on us, people do not laugh when you
> spend their $ only to find more leaks shortly after
> you said they were all sealed. That is why I can make
> no guaranty that a coach will not develope a leak-- no
> one can.
>=20
> We are also going to fill in the spot welds GM pit the
> body together with. If you look at the recent
> destruction on the coaches that were wrecked and blown
> apart, the roof seam failed, if this seam were welded
> better, maybe the body would not flex and pop seams so
> easily. We are going to try. At this point though, I
> tell folks to have a selection of different sealants
> with them in the coach in case a leak pops up-- self
> leveling stuff, neutral cure RTV silocone, aluminum
> and duct tape for those fast, short term fixes and if
> you are really worried a big plastic bag to park the
> coach in if they get really bad-- just kidding.
>=20
> Thanks for bringing this up, know we all suffer with
> you and if you say that your coach has no leaks, look
> behind walls and in places you don't normally see--- I
> betcha there is a leak somewhere!
>=20
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------
>=20

>=20
> > NOT going to go there!
> >
> > Len and Pat
> > 78 Kingsley, yet unnamed
> > Fallbrook, CA
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmclist
> > [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf
> > Of Ulmer, James D - Denver, CO
> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:52 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't
> > leak more
> >
> > 'Tis a miracle we actually ever finish any project
> > on a vintage
> > motorhome considering we always find at least 2
> > other things to be
> > repaired before the original one can be done!
> >
> > Big Jim
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gmclist
> > > [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Winchester
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:44 PM
> > > To: GMC Mail List
> > > Subject: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't
> > leak more
> > >
> > >
> > > While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I
> > started looking
> > > at the joint where the back cap joined the side
> > wall and
> > > noticed some crumbling caulk. After I was done
> > picking at
> > > this I could see daylight at the top corner and at
> > the
> > > beltline. I have documented what these look like
> > at:
> > > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.p>
> > hp?aid 1105&uuid thistle
> > > GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these
> > holes and
> > > after 30+ years it has no ability to hold out
> > water. It is
> > > no wonder the floor in this corner is rotten.
> > >
> > > These holes are now filled with a modern urethane
> > > sealer/adhesive (Sika
> > > 221) that was used to install my new Omnistor
> > awning.
> > >
> > > Dan & Carol Winchester
> > > 78 Royal
> > > Portland, OR
> > > gmc.dwinchester.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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I found the upper one when redoing my trim strips last year. It wasn't
anywhere near as big as what you found.

Anything interesting under the rub rail? Got any pics of that?
I intend to remove mine and replace it with something else... just
curious what is under it.

Kelvin

>While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I started looking at the
>joint where the back cap joined the side wall and noticed some crumbling
>caulk. After I was done picking at this I could see daylight at the top
>corner and at the beltline. I have documented what these look like at:
>http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.php?aid=1105&uuid=thistle
>GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these holes and after 30+ years
>it has no ability to hold out water. It is no wonder the floor in this
>corner is rotten.
>
>These holes are now filled with a modern urethane sealer/adhesive (Sika
>221) that was used to install my new Omnistor awning.
>
>Dan & Carol Winchester
>78 Royal
>Portland, OR
>gmc.dwinchester.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
Dan,
I've found that if you find the black stuff in drips down the inside of the
body, there is a hole above the drips that needs to be filled. It was most
noticeable in the front which is probably the filler around the floor board
thus giving that air leak inside on the cockpit floor. This is the area
where Arch used the expandable foam from the inside to cure his leaks.

Seeing the melted black stuff is a good tell tale sign.

Roger of the Black List
77 Birchaven side bath w/78 403
Exit 182, I-40, Burns, TN
 
Kelvin

Not much under the rub rail, Picture 5 of that sequence shows it all
except the rusted off stubs of the screws that held the metal rub rail
in place.

The screws under the rubber strip that hold the metal in place were just
piles of rust, no chance in the world of actually unscrewing them. I
ground of what remained of the heads and the metal strip just dropped
off.

I also plan on going back with something else. There are a row of pop
rivets on the 23 that need to be dealt with, I am going to try and find
some 3/16 counter sunk rivets and install in their place. Not sure what
to do about the rusted screw stubs. They penetrate to the inside of the
coach and if they continue to rust away will provide another hole into
the interior for water to enter.

I will then install a paintable rub strip over the channel

Dan & Carol Winchester
78 Royal
Portland, OR
gmc.dwinchester.com


> Anything interesting under the rub rail? Got any pics of that?
> I intend to remove mine and replace it with something else... just
> curious what is under it.
>
> Kelvin
>
 
The GMC was a test bed for low cost tooling approaches. Extrusions, castings, formed aluminum, adhesives, etc., all lend themselves to low volume production. The use of stampings was avoided due to the high tooling costs. A lot of these concepts were later used on the APV vans, original (real) Saturns, Corvettes, and Fieros. The big problem centers around closeouts. Conventional metal stampings incorporate things such a door jambs, drip rails, and so on that are sealed and welded. Our GMC type of construction requies lots of little add on things to close out seams, joints, transitions. Whenever a new low or moderate volume program was proposed, a cost tradeoff study was conducted to see if steel or composite construction would be cheaper. On paper, composite usually won, but in actual execution, steel usually wins. New metal forming techniques are now being used (such as on the Solstice) where only a male die is used, and the metal (in this case aluminum) is pressure formed o
ver just the male die, cutting the tooling cost in half.
--
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Holly, Mi
 
One other thing I've found handy to keep around is some stainless steel
tape like Whitney sells for trim. It is a thin stainless steel sheet
with acrylic adhesive. When you need something more permanent than duck
tape and faster than body work, this stuff is very tough and durable.

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist=20
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Jim Bounds
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 5:44 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>=20
>=20
> Len,
>=20
> How right you are, as someone said, "betcha GM never
> figured these coaches would still be around being
> used". There are many areas where the sealant used
> has succummed to leaking--- the coach is comparitively
> large to a car and there are MANY spots like this.=20
> One reason it is so difficult to find them all and
> keep them from popping loose.=20
>=20
> They are difficult on us, people do not laugh when you
> spend their $ only to find more leaks shortly after
> you said they were all sealed. That is why I can make
> no guaranty that a coach will not develope a leak-- no
> one can.
>=20
> We are also going to fill in the spot welds GM pit the
> body together with. If you look at the recent
> destruction on the coaches that were wrecked and blown
> apart, the roof seam failed, if this seam were welded
> better, maybe the body would not flex and pop seams so
> easily. We are going to try. At this point though, I
> tell folks to have a selection of different sealants
> with them in the coach in case a leak pops up-- self
> leveling stuff, neutral cure RTV silocone, aluminum
> and duct tape for those fast, short term fixes and if
> you are really worried a big plastic bag to park the
> coach in if they get really bad-- just kidding.
>=20
> Thanks for bringing this up, know we all suffer with
> you and if you say that your coach has no leaks, look
> behind walls and in places you don't normally see--- I
> betcha there is a leak somewhere!
>=20
> Jim Bounds
> ------------------
 
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid 192/index.ht=
m
l is a good place to look for quality pop rivets. I've used a bunch of
5/32 stainless ones from there.

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist=20
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Dan Winchester
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:03 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>=20
>=20
> Kelvin
>=20
> Not much under the rub rail, Picture 5 of that sequence shows=20
> it all except the rusted off stubs of the screws that held=20
> the metal rub rail in place.
>=20
> The screws under the rubber strip that hold the metal in=20
> place were just piles of rust, no chance in the world of=20
> actually unscrewing them. I ground of what remained of the=20
> heads and the metal strip just dropped off.
>=20
> I also plan on going back with something else. There are a=20
> row of pop rivets on the 23 that need to be dealt with, I am=20
> going to try and find some 3/16 counter sunk rivets and=20
> install in their place. Not sure what to do about the rusted=20
> screw stubs. They penetrate to the inside of the coach and=20
> if they continue to rust away will provide another hole into=20
> the interior for water to enter.
>=20
> I will then install a paintable rub strip over the channel
>=20
> Dan & Carol Winchester
> 78 Royal
> Portland, OR
> gmc.dwinchester.com
> =20
>=20
> > Anything interesting under the rub rail? Got any pics of that? I=20
> > intend to remove mine and replace it with something else... just=20
> > curious what is under it.
> >=20
> > Kelvin
> >=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
 
Bob,
Is that the process they call Hydroforming?

Big Jim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmclist=20
> [mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Bob de Kruyff
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 4:20 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: RE: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> The GMC was a test bed for low cost tooling approaches.=20
> Extrusions, castings, formed aluminum, adhesives, etc., all=20
> lend themselves to low volume production. The use of=20
> stampings was avoided due to the high tooling costs. A lot of=20
> these concepts were later used on the APV vans, original=20
> (real) Saturns, Corvettes, and Fieros. The big problem=20
> centers around closeouts. Conventional metal stampings=20
> incorporate things such a door jambs, drip rails, and so on=20
> that are sealed and welded. Our GMC type of construction=20
> requies lots of little add on things to close out seams,=20
> joints, transitions. Whenever a new low or moderate volume=20
> program was proposed, a cost tradeoff study was conducted to=20
> see if steel or composite construction would be cheaper. On=20
> paper, composite usually won, but in actual execution, steel=20
> usually wins. New metal forming techniques are now being used=20
> (such as on the Solstice) where only a male die is used, and=20
> the metal (in this case aluminum) is pressure formed over=20
> just the male die, cutting the tooling cost in half.
> --
> Bob de Kruyff
> 78 Eleganza
> Holly, Mi
>=20
>=20
 
Dan that's a lotta daylight. Makes me think about never taking my '76 out
when there's any chance that it might rain. Michael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Winchester"
To: "GMC Mail List"
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more

> While insulating the 73 that I am restoring I started looking at the
> joint where the back cap joined the side wall and noticed some crumbling
> caulk. After I was done picking at this I could see daylight at the top
> corner and at the beltline. I have documented what these look like at:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.php?aid=1105&uuid=thistle
> GM only used the old putty caulk to fill these holes and after 30+ years
> it has no ability to hold out water. It is no wonder the floor in this
> corner is rotten.
>
> These holes are now filled with a modern urethane sealer/adhesive (Sika
> 221) that was used to install my new Omnistor awning.
>
> Dan & Carol Winchester
> 78 Royal
> Portland, OR
> gmc.dwinchester.com
>
>
>
>
>
 
""Bob,
Is that the process they call Hydroforming""

Hi Jim--yes it is a variation of hydroforming. Usually, hydroforming is used to describe high pressure water or oil in a tube which is placed in a female mold and then expanded. That is used to manufacture frames and other structural members. This is usually done with a bladder which forces the panel to conform to a male mold--but the same principle. I believe the Mazda Miata was one of the first to use it in moderate production. It was first used on really low volume production when Nissan started doing the retro cars around 1990. It's a really neat process! I suspect someone will come forward and mention that this was used in the 20's somewhere--there aren't too many new ideas around :)
--
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Holly, Mi
 
I caulked up the holes that were visible in the original pictures but
still had a leak. One advantage of working in Oregon is that it is a
good test bed to see if there are leaks. The water was dripping off the
structural roof wall extrusions on the inside and could have come from
anywhere up forward and run down to this point before dripping off.

Took the cap off between roof and wall, (can't call it drip rail on 73
since they did not have that feature) and found more granular caulk that
is not going to do any thing. Will post pictures later.

My dilemma now is what +to caulk this seam under the rail. If I use one
of the new modern sealer adhesives the rail will be a permanent fixture
that can never be taken off again. I am not a fan of the old putty
caulk since it goes away rather rapidly. Any suggestions?

After looking at the construction I am not sure that caulk is needed
under this rail except at some critical points at the front and back and
around the screws that hold it on. Most of the joints are lapped to
provide water runoff. I have not found where my current leak is.

Dan & Carol Winchester
78 Royal
Portland, OR
gmc.dwinchester.com
 
>One advantage of working in Oregon is that it is a
> good test bed to see if there are leaks.=20

Um... yeah. "Advantages"...

The water was dripping off the
> structural roof wall extrusions on the inside and could have come from
> anywhere up forward and run down to this point before dripping off.

Ran into this very thing on my '73 230. Whatever GM used for "caulk"
was almost like bondo. Hard to believe it was an OEM sealant, but I'm
darn sure nobody else had been in there.

> My dilemma now is what +to caulk this seam under the rail. If I use one
> of the new modern sealer adhesives the rail will be a permanent fixture
> that can never be taken off again. I am not a fan of the old putty
> caulk since it goes away rather rapidly. Any suggestions?

I used a polyurethane caulk in the seams on the wall/roof/rear cap and
just screwed the rails back on, no sealant at all. They will come
right off again.

All the leaks (the ones that were really driving me nuts, anyway) were
gone and everything is still watertight.

> After looking at the construction I am not sure that caulk is needed
> under this rail except at some critical points at the front and back and
> around the screws that hold it on. Most of the joints are lapped to
> provide water runoff. I have not found where my current leak is.

I never actually found the leaks I had, but I'm sure they were getting
into the seam between roof, wall and extrusion and then following the
extrusion until they found a way off. In my case that was either in
the bedroom or behind the cab... depending on the angle the coach was
sitting.

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene...
 
Amen, brother...right on...Praise the Lord and pass the chores...vbg...

Glyn
76 Glenbrook
Broken Arrow, OK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Henderson"
To:
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: RE: Re[8]: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more

> You young whippersnappers apparently haven't heard: You don't know what
> busy is until you retire! You NEVER get any time off! The honey-do list
> grows ad-infinitum because you don't have time to catch up on your own
> projects! By the time you reach retirement, you have to spend so much
> time
> thinking about what you're going to do that there's no time left to DO
> anything! And there's so much you've been saving up to do after
> retirement
> that the list is too long to ever complete! We need to reverse things --
> adequate dependable income and no work when young & vigorous followed by
> work when you're no good for anything else anyway! :-)
>
> But let's don't change until I'm gone.
>
> Ken H.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-gmclist
>>[mailto:owner-gmclist] On Behalf Of Gary Worobec
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 1:53 PM
>>To: gmclist
>>Subject: Re: Re[8]: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>>
>>Hi,
>>I'm probably 12 years from retirement assuming that George W.
>>doesn't tinker with the system. Owning a GMC and not being
>>retired means you spend 4 times longer to do a GMC project
>>than the rest of the retired guys do. Thank god for GMCnet as
>>most of the research is already done or very easily obtainable
>>with a couple of mouse clicks. Kind of like having a bunch of
>>dads that you can call on for advice.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Gary in Anza, CA
>>23 ft Glacier 1973 #514
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Rick Denney"
>>To: "Gary Worobec"
>>Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 11:34 AM
>>Subject: Re[8]: [GMCnet] Its a Miracle These GMCS don't leak more
>>
>>
>>> Gary Worobec writes...
>>>
>>> > That's great. I always thought those Virginia gals were pretty
>>> > agressive but to get a marriage proposal. That is just
>>> > outstanding!!!
>>>
>>> Sigh. I don't know if you are retired like (it seems) most everyone
>>> else on GMCnet, but assuming you are leads me to the comment that
>>> retired guys just can't take anything seriously.
>>>
>>> Rick "who thinks employment ought to be a form of rest for
>>anyone with
>>> a GMC habit" Denney
>>>
>>> '73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
>>> Northern Virginia
>>>
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>>>
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Dan, Thanks for posting pics of the beltline gap. Caulked mine up before they got to leaking too much with your help.
--
Wally Anderson
1975 Glenbrook
 
Dan, Thanks for posting pics of the beltline gap. Caulked mine up before they got to leaking too much with your help.
--
Wally Anderson
1975 Glenbrook