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GM not the company they were.

If you want a EV Hummer go for it.
Any other real EV elsewhere.

If you haven't driven an EV go out and take a few for a test drive. You'll see why they are yhe future.


> You’d have to be brain dead to buy anything electric from GM. The worlds worst EV Auto manufacturer.
> I am a GM guy, if they were built in the 60’s LOL
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> From: tom geiger
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> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
>
> Just checking around and here is some recent EV publication from GM. Gives a little bit of information.
>
> https://www.gm.com/electric-vehicles
>
> TG
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GM took money from the Government to stay afloat, and traded off
Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and another brand that they never should have started
in the first place. They left Holden holding the bag when they shuttered
Pontiac.
Most of their problems today are the result of getting in bed with the
Chinese. When Chevs started looking like a Camry it was a dark, dismal,
day. A few bright spots are the Corvette and their truck division. I am a
GM trained technician and I cannot believe that GM today is the same one I
was trained in. Volt? No thanks.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

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> GM not the company they were.
>
> If you want a EV Hummer go for it.
> Any other real EV elsewhere.
>
> If you haven't driven an EV go out and take a few for a test drive. You'll
> see why they are yhe future.
>

> > You’d have to be brain dead to buy anything electric from GM. The worlds
> worst EV Auto manufacturer.
> > I am a GM guy, if they were built in the 60’s LOL
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows
> >
> > From: tom geiger
> > Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 7:46 PM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
> >
> > Just checking around and here is some recent EV publication from GM.
> Gives a little bit of information.
> >
> > https://www.gm.com/electric-vehicles
> >
> > TG
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My mom always demanded Jersey cow milk.

D C "Mac" Macdonald
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Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s

In the UK back when I was a kid, you had 3 grades of delivered milk - silver, red, or gold foil-tops. Silver was probably around 2% with cream on top,
red was maybe 3.25% (later Homogenized) and gold was Jersey milk, so loads of cream.

Didn't matter what you bought, the tinfoil caps were no match for sparrows who could peck through and have a few sips before you woke up in the
morning. Pretty rare to open the door to find an un-pecked bottle!

Larry
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Larry - Victoria BC -
 
I remember when visiting grandparents in the country
they would send me a few hundred yards to the dairy
farm next door with a pail to come home with milk I
dipped out of the big container in the "milk house"
every day or two.

When my family moved to that same area, we bought
our raw milk 15 quart glass bottles at a time from a
dairy farm a couple of miles away on the state highway.

D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
'76 ex-Palm Beach
k2gkk + hotmail dot com

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From: Mike Hamm via Gmclist
Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 13:37
To: gmclist
Cc: Mike Hamm
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s

I remember going to a farm with my grandmother to buy bottled unhomogenized milk and spooning the heavy thick cream off the top for our berries.
Anyone remember the glass bottle milk vending machines?

> I grew up during WW II and our milk was delivered
> in 1 qt glass bottles using horse drawn carts. The
> homogenizing process apparently had not been
> invented and the cream would rise to the top of the
> bottles. Everybody (?) had a siphoning device to
> get the cream out of the top to put in their coffee.
>
> In the winter (northern NY state) the product would
> freeze on the back porch and push the paper cap up
> out of the bottle a little bit.
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio K2GKK
> Since 30 November '53
> USAF and FAA, Retired
> Member GMCMI & Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
> '76 ex-Palm Beach
> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
>
> ________________________________
> From: twlldeen
> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 12:19
> To: gmclist
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
>
> Speaking of electric delivery vehicles, nothing new there, really.
>
> I grew up in the UK when milk was delivered door-to door every day. The entire country had massive fleets of 3-wheel electric "milk floats"
> delivering
> crates of milk in glass bottles. Apparently there are still some updated ones in use today.
>
> these things
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D1960%2527s%2Bmilk%2Bfloat%2Buk&data=04%7C01%7C%7C56df23aef6ce43fd9ae308d9b826c2ca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637743298879086786%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=QzPpBLzr4tRXbCiJ%2BWB5RMmHg3YuSVp13V0zcUeCXCQ%3D&reserved=0
> ;data=04%7C01%7C%7C39d4566d762141fd83c308d9b81bc48c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637743251662273756%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC
> 4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=keURKR41YLZ38A44X2BVBnoiuDAf1GuiOg%2Bpx369JUQ%3D&reserved=0
>
> Larry
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Understand on personal vehicle, heck they way my old XB is running I think I’ll be good for a while. Just was looking at what GM was doing with
their new battery technology. Everything seems to be pinned around that for range, time of recharge. Just starting to read on extender’s and it
seems that is what the large truck industry is looking at. So GM as well as others are looking at the module EV platform frame approach to keep cost
down for production. Heck I even found a company that sold EV platforms you could lift your classic muscle car frame onto if you wanted to convert
your classic to EV. Just wondering if that is a option on ours?? May be too pricey but it is something interesting. Anyhow, appreciate the comments
on GM’s EV capabilities.

TG
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Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO
 
> When my family moved to that same area, we bought
> our raw milk 15 quart glass bottles at a time from a
> dairy farm a couple of miles away on the state highway.
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald

I used to get Jersey milk from the farm when I moved to Vancouver Island - I'd pick it up in big gallon jars with screw tops. All was well till I
borrowed my brother-in-law's car to go fetch it and spilled the whole jar in the passenger footwell.

Even though we washed and washed the interior, after a few days ...the smell ...well, let's say it never went away. He still reminds me of it every
time I see him almost 50 years later!

Larry
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Larry - Victoria BC -

1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
 
I’m finding the milk stories more entertaining than the electric motor stories. Why aren’t we drinking more milk?

>

>> When my family moved to that same area, we bought
>> our raw milk 15 quart glass bottles at a time from a
>> dairy farm a couple of miles away on the state highway.
>>
>> D C "Mac" Macdonald
>
> I used to get Jersey milk from the farm when I moved to Vancouver Island - I'd pick it up in big gallon jars with screw tops. All was well till I
> borrowed my brother-in-law's car to go fetch it and spilled the whole jar in the passenger footwell.
>
> Even though we washed and washed the interior, after a few days ...the smell ...well, let's say it never went away. He still reminds me of it every
> time I see him almost 50 years later!
>
> Larry
> --
> Larry - Victoria BC -
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
> exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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As long as we are taking a trip down memory lane, our family had an ice box
on the porch. Guy came around every week or so and put a 25 pound block of
ice in it. We didn't have a refrigerator until 1953. Our milk came from a
local dairy farm, gallon jar with a big lid. Jersey or Gurnsey or Brown
Swiss milk. Lots of cream. Mom used the cream to churn butter. Yum. I
raised bantam chickens, so we had eggs and an occasional surplus rooster.
We were poor as church mice, and a number of local hunters would give
us venison, elk, fish, ducks, etc. sometimes in season, even.
We grew a huge garden, canned and preserved all we grew. We didn't
know any other life. It was the way of life in a small logging town in the
foothills of the Cascades. But I'm none the worse for it, today.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

> > When my family moved to that same area, we bought
> > our raw milk 15 quart glass bottles at a time from a
> > dairy farm a couple of miles away on the state highway.
> >
> > D C "Mac" Macdonald
>
> I used to get Jersey milk from the farm when I moved to Vancouver Island -
> I'd pick it up in big gallon jars with screw tops. All was well till I
> borrowed my brother-in-law's car to go fetch it and spilled the whole jar
> in the passenger footwell.
>
> Even though we washed and washed the interior, after a few days ...the
> smell ...well, let's say it never went away. He still reminds me of it every
> time I see him almost 50 years later!
>
> Larry
> --
> Larry - Victoria BC -
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working
> but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
> exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat
> exchange hoses
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"... But I'm none the worse for it, today...." In fact, I'd say, "much
better for it" -- not being a big fan of today's "educating" of kids.

Ken H

> As long as we are taking a trip down memory lane, our family had an ice box
> on the porch. Guy came around every week or so and put a 25 pound block of
> ice in it. We didn't have a refrigerator until 1953. Our milk came from a
> local dairy farm, gallon jar with a big lid. Jersey or Gurnsey or Brown
> Swiss milk. Lots of cream. Mom used the cream to churn butter. Yum. I
> raised bantam chickens, so we had eggs and an occasional surplus rooster.
> We were poor as church mice, and a number of local hunters would give
> us venison, elk, fish, ducks, etc. sometimes in season, even.
> We grew a huge garden, canned and preserved all we grew. We didn't
> know any other life. It was the way of life in a small logging town in the
> foothills of the Cascades. But I'm none the worse for it, today.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>

>

> > > When my family moved to that same area, we bought
> > > our raw milk 15 quart glass bottles at a time from a
> > > dairy farm a couple of miles away on the state highway.
> > >
> > > D C "Mac" Macdonald
> >
> > I used to get Jersey milk from the farm when I moved to Vancouver Island
> -
> > I'd pick it up in big gallon jars with screw tops. All was well till I
> > borrowed my brother-in-law's car to go fetch it and spilled the whole jar
> > in the passenger footwell.
> >
> > Even though we washed and washed the interior, after a few days ...the
> > smell ...well, let's say it never went away. He still reminds me of it
> every
> > time I see him almost 50 years later!
> >
> > Larry
> > --
> > Larry - Victoria BC -
> >
> > 1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working
> > but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
> > exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat
> > exchange hoses
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> As long as we are taking a trip down memory lane, our family had an ice box on the porch. Guy came around every week or so and put a 25 pound
> block of ice in it. We didn't have a refrigerator until 1953.

Luxury!

In my little village in Wales just after WW2, we didn't even have a icebox and fridges were unheard of. In the summer we kept the milk bottles in
pails of cold water in the shadiest spot we could find.

Larry

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1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
 
Milk today comes our of a factory farm, not a family farm.
Don't blame the education system for that, blame capitalism.

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> Milk today comes our of a factory farm, not a family farm.
> Don't blame the education system for that, blame capitalism.

I blame those damn Teslas :lol:

Larry
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Larry - Victoria BC -

1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
 
Since when is a family farm NOT a capitalistic enterprise?

D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
'76 ex-Palm Beach
k2gkk + hotmail dot com
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From: Mike Hamm via Gmclist
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 19:11
To: gmclist
Cc: Mike Hamm
Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s

Milk today comes our of a factory farm, not a family farm.
Don't blame the education system for that, blame capitalism.
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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
Oh geez! Where did that come from? From "feel good" to politics. Give it a
rest!
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

> Since when is a family farm NOT a capitalistic enterprise?
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Amateur Radio K2GKK
> Since 30 November '53
> USAF and FAA, Retired
> Member GMCMI & Classics
> Oklahoma City, OK
> "The Money Pit"
> TZE166V101966
> '76 ex-Palm Beach
> k2gkk + hotmail dot com
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Hamm via Gmclist
> Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 19:11
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Mike Hamm
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Electric RV’s
>
> Milk today comes our of a factory farm, not a family farm.
> Don't blame the education system for that, blame capitalism.
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I believe the subject of Electric RV's has now been milked for all it's worth.

Larry
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1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS
exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
 
Yeah, it was milked for sure. Maybe better on another type of forum.

TG
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Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO
 
To me, a battery pack and motor(s) with sufficient energy density to run the coach 350 miles at highway speeds at the same weight as the current
driveline including fuel and tanks is the requirement. Charge it up overnight at the campground and go again tomorrow. Energy density isn't there
yet, but the stuff like JimK mentions is moving in the right direction. Since we already have the (upgradeable to keep it in the pipe)infrastructure,
I think the end game is hydrogen fuelling and fuel cells. Couple thousand square feet of solar cells running all day cracking water and storing the
hydrogen for the vehicle. The tech exists now, sorting it to compete in price is going to take some doing.

--johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Well I think you came up with about the most expensive option.

I think that a hybrid option would make the most practical and economical solution for probably the next 10 years.

> To me, a battery pack and motor(s) with sufficient energy density to run the coach 350 miles at highway speeds at the same weight as the current
> driveline including fuel and tanks is the requirement. Charge it up overnight at the campground and go again tomorrow. Energy density isn't there
> yet, but the stuff like JimK mentions is moving in the right direction. Since we already have the (upgradeable to keep it in the
> pipe)infrastructure, I think the end game is hydrogen fuelling and fuel cells. Couple thousand square feet of solar cells running all day cracking
> water and storing the hydrogen for the vehicle. The tech exists now, sorting it to compete in price is going to take some doing.
>
> --johnny

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1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
The round trip from electricity to H2 and back equipment would probably
cost as much as a 40-foot diesel pusher. The round trip energy loss is as
high as 80%.
How about getting a 4 motor Tesla truck and using it as a traction vehicle
instead of a towed? We would have to wait until 2023 or 2024 if we got in
line today.

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> To me, a battery pack and motor(s) with sufficient energy density to run
> the coach 350 miles at highway speeds at the same weight as the current
> driveline including fuel and tanks is the requirement. Charge it up
> overnight at the campground and go again tomorrow. Energy density isn't
> there
> yet, but the stuff like JimK mentions is moving in the right direction.
> Since we already have the (upgradeable to keep it in the
> pipe)infrastructure,
> I think the end game is hydrogen fuelling and fuel cells. Couple thousand
> square feet of solar cells running all day cracking water and storing the
> hydrogen for the vehicle. The tech exists now, sorting it to compete in
> price is going to take some doing.
>
> --johnny
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> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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That's where the sorting comes in. I wouldn't be interested in a tow. >If< the Tesla driveline is capable of pulling the GMCs weight for any
distance, why not just mount that drioveline in the coach and skip the truck weight?

As to the efficiency of hydrogen energy, we may expect it to increase as time passes. Currently
it's the only non - nuclear energy source that produces only heat as a byproduct. Nuclear produces scary waste which can be condensed by not
eliminated.
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
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