Intake manifold search

Can you get threaded rod in different alloys of Aluminum.. or would that matter? And, with some red Loctite, would the stay still? We had a coupke
of guys at Mac's who could easily weld one up with a Heli-Arc, but the rod seems a lot simpler. I get more good ideas on this forum.....

--johnny

--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
An easier way to re-align the bolt holes would be to drill the hole oversize and at the new angle, then use acme threaded inserts. We use the keylocked inserts in aviation for threaded holes in aluminum and they are reliable and tough.

http://www.acmeindustrial.com/keylockinsert.htm

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

>
> Can you get threaded rod in different alloys of Aluminum.. or would that matter? And, with some red Loctite, would the stay still? We had a coupke
> of guys at Mac's who could easily weld one up with a Heli-Arc, but the rod seems a lot simpler. I get more good ideas on this forum.....
>
> --johnny
>
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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removed the over exaggerated dog house to measure how far the stock carb with stock Edlebrock Performer encroaches into the cab.

doghouse:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64781-start-with-performer-and-ridiculous-doghouse.html

Doghouse removed:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64801-intake-fi-change.html

Looks like 2.5in ZERO clearance:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64803-intake-fi-change.html

Edlebrock Torker:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64793-intake-fi-change.html

Edlebrock Torker front measurement 2.75in:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64799-intake-fi-change.html

Edlebrock Torker rear measurement 3.0in:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64797-intake-fi-change.html

some room for planing down:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64795-intake-fi-change.html

Is the tilt angle for a reason on the intake? I assuming the 455 used in other vehicles, 442, Toronado?
I have had the MSD Atomic Jim shipped to me for a couple of weeks, and will pull it out to see if the TB directly bolts to the Torker.
I have to rebuild the cover anyway, so building one with a reasonable encroachment into the living space does not feel like a deal breaker.
I'm actually more concerned about at 65 yrs old, being able to accurately (leakproof), place a stock manifold (weight) in the valley while bent
over,(GRIN). Things I never had to think about before.

Jack

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Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach
 
I noticed some leaking in my manifold to by the exhaust cross over. was wondering if anyone makes a good low-pro manifold for the 455...
--
73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
 
Jack,

With more than a little experience with intake manifold maneuvering and
using, including Edelbrock Performer, I'd say you're going through a lot of
unnecessary effort to avoid installing the OEM manifold, which will
probably perform just as well as the aluminum ones.

At 81, I wouldn't hesitate to lift an iron manifold with my simple handle:
take a piece of pipe, even 3/4" PVC, or a similarly sized wooden dowel and
drill two 3/8" holes in it at the distance between diagonally opposite bolt
holes in the carburetor flange. Use a couple of 4"-5" X 3/8"-16 bolts to
secure your handle across the flange on the manifold. Take a couple more
3/8"-16 bolt and cut them to 1-1/2" inches or so long -- saw a screwdriver
slot across the cut end to help with later removal. Install one of those
in a manifold bolt hole in each of the heads to use as guides when you
lower the manifold into position with your new handle. IIRC, the Olds
manifold has some slotted holes ideally suited as guide stud positions.

Try it; you'll like it better than buying and modifying aluminum manifolds
-- at least I did.

Ken H.

> removed the over exaggerated dog house to measure how far the stock carb
> with stock Edlebrock Performer encroaches into the cab.
>
> doghouse:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64781-start-with-performer-and-ridiculous-doghouse.html
>
> Doghouse removed:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64801-intake-fi-change.html
>
> Looks like 2.5in ZERO clearance:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64803-intake-fi-change.html
>
> Edlebrock Torker:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64793-intake-fi-change.html
>
> Edlebrock Torker front measurement 2.75in:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64799-intake-fi-change.html
>
> Edlebrock Torker rear measurement 3.0in:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64797-intake-fi-change.html
>
>
> some room for planing down:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/atomic-tbi-fuel-injection/p64795-intake-fi-change.html
>
> Is the tilt angle for a reason on the intake? I assuming the 455 used in
> other vehicles, 442, Toronado?
> I have had the MSD Atomic Jim shipped to me for a couple of weeks, and
> will pull it out to see if the TB directly bolts to the Torker.
> I have to rebuild the cover anyway, so building one with a reasonable
> encroachment into the living space does not feel like a deal breaker.
> I'm actually more concerned about at 65 yrs old, being able to accurately
> (leakproof), place a stock manifold (weight) in the valley while bent
> over,(GRIN). Things I never had to think about before.
>
> Jack
>
> --
> Jack Ramsey
> Tulare, CA
> TZE165V101526
> 1975 Palm Beach
>
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Jack, I can affirm Ken's suggestion. I used the pipe and long bolts in the carb flange to reset my cast iron manifold. I just straddled the opening
and set it into place. I wish I had used it to pull the manifold instead of muscling it out by laying over the hole and just using my 72 year old arms
and back.

> Is the tilt angle for a reason on the intake? I assuming the 455 used in other vehicles, 442, Toronado?
> I have had the MSD Atomic Jim shipped to me for a couple of weeks, and will pull it out to see if the TB directly bolts to the Torker.
> I have to rebuild the cover anyway, so building one with a reasonable encroachment into the living space does not feel like a deal breaker.
> I'm actually more concerned about at 65 yrs old, being able to accurately (leakproof), place a stock manifold (weight) in the valley while bent
> over,(GRIN). Things I never had to think about before.
>
> Jack

--
Patti & Jerry Burt
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
 
Jack,
I am with Ken on this suggestion. You are not going to gain that much
installing the Edlebrock Performer manifold over using the stock manifold.
What you will gain is all the necessary modification to install an
aluminum manifold and make it work. I run an Accel Gen 6 MPFI based on the
Edlebrock Performer manifold. I can run without having a doghouse because
the body on the Buskirk stretch coach has been raised 2" over stock and the
system clears the engine cover. IMHO a stock manifold that has been
checked for cracks and using the block off plates to prevent the hot gas
crossover will work just fine for our coaches. As for the weight Ken
lifting handle works just fine.

J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker
GMC Eastern States
GMCMHI
TZE Zone Restorations
78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)

> Jack, I can affirm Ken's suggestion. I used the pipe and long bolts in the
> carb flange to reset my cast iron manifold. I just straddled the opening
> and set it into place. I wish I had used it to pull the manifold instead
> of muscling it out by laying over the hole and just using my 72 year old
> arms
> and back.
>
>

> > Is the tilt angle for a reason on the intake? I assuming the 455 used in
> other vehicles, 442, Toronado?
> > I have had the MSD Atomic Jim shipped to me for a couple of weeks, and
> will pull it out to see if the TB directly bolts to the Torker.
> > I have to rebuild the cover anyway, so building one with a reasonable
> encroachment into the living space does not feel like a deal breaker.
> > I'm actually more concerned about at 65 yrs old, being able to
> accurately (leakproof), place a stock manifold (weight) in the valley while
> bent
> > over,(GRIN). Things I never had to think about before.
> >
> > Jack
>
>
> --
> Patti & Jerry Burt
> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
> 77 Palm Beach
> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>
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We find that the stock intake works best when you use the exaust block off
plate kit and use the electric choke.

> Jack,
> I am with Ken on this suggestion. You are not going to gain that much
> installing the Edlebrock Performer manifold over using the stock manifold.
> What you will gain is all the necessary modification to install an
> aluminum manifold and make it work. I run an Accel Gen 6 MPFI based on the
> Edlebrock Performer manifold. I can run without having a doghouse because
> the body on the Buskirk stretch coach has been raised 2" over stock and the
> system clears the engine cover. IMHO a stock manifold that has been
> checked for cracks and using the block off plates to prevent the hot gas
> crossover will work just fine for our coaches. As for the weight Ken
> lifting handle works just fine.
>
> J.R. Wright
> GMC Great Laker
> GMC Eastern States
> GMCMHI
> TZE Zone Restorations
> 78 Buskirk Custom 30' Stretch
> 75 Avion (Under going Frame up Restoration)
>
>

>
> > Jack, I can affirm Ken's suggestion. I used the pipe and long bolts in
> the
> > carb flange to reset my cast iron manifold. I just straddled the opening
> > and set it into place. I wish I had used it to pull the manifold instead
> > of muscling it out by laying over the hole and just using my 72 year old
> > arms
> > and back.
> >
> >

> > > Is the tilt angle for a reason on the intake? I assuming the 455 used
> in
> > other vehicles, 442, Toronado?
> > > I have had the MSD Atomic Jim shipped to me for a couple of weeks, and
> > will pull it out to see if the TB directly bolts to the Torker.
> > > I have to rebuild the cover anyway, so building one with a reasonable
> > encroachment into the living space does not feel like a deal breaker.
> > > I'm actually more concerned about at 65 yrs old, being able to
> > accurately (leakproof), place a stock manifold (weight) in the valley
> while
> > bent
> > > over,(GRIN). Things I never had to think about before.
> > >
> > > Jack
> >
> >
> > --
> > Patti & Jerry Burt
> > 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
> > 77 Palm Beach
> > Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
> >
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Thanks Everyone!!

The ONLY reason I am messing with this, is I cannot find a STOCK intake Manifold ANYWHERE. I have tried the junkyard national lines, EBAY,
Applied,Rocket Olds, Mondello, and the Toronado forums. I know there is nothing to gain, in such a low revving torque engine like a 455, but since my
PO changed out the manifold, I'm just stuck.
I called Applied again today and spoke with Jim, and he thinks he can get me a stock manifold. When it shows up problem solved, and thanks for all the
support.. I REALLY appreciate the number of people both looking for a manifold, and supporting the process. Probably time to buy out the "interesting"
fellow that currently owns the right to the Gary Rockwell casting molds.

Thanks Again,

Jack
--
Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach
 
Jack,

I have a stock manifold with the crossovers already filled with aluminum. I bought it from Larry Weidner a few years ago and never got it installed
before selling my coach. The biggest problem for you is that I'm in Iowa and the shipping would add some cost.
--
Gary Mau
X76 Royale
Davenport, IA
 
Filling the exaust route with Aluminum will not work on a coach as there is
too much load on the engine.

> Jack,
>
> I have a stock manifold with the crossovers already filled with
> aluminum. I bought it from Larry Weidner a few years ago and never got it
> installed
> before selling my coach. The biggest problem for you is that I'm in Iowa
> and the shipping would add some cost.
> --
> Gary Mau
> X76 Royale
> Davenport, IA
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Jack,

I just remembered I might have one here in Houston, I'm heading for the Bean Station Rally this AM and won't be able to check until
Tuesday.

I'll let you know then.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Jack Ramsey
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:09 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Intake manifold search

Thanks Everyone!!

The ONLY reason I am messing with this, is I cannot find a STOCK intake Manifold ANYWHERE. I have tried the junkyard national lines,
EBAY,
Applied,Rocket Olds, Mondello, and the Toronado forums. I know there is nothing to gain, in such a low revving torque engine like a
455, but since my
PO changed out the manifold, I'm just stuck.
I called Applied again today and spoke with Jim, and he thinks he can get me a stock manifold. When it shows up problem solved, and
thanks for all the
support.. I REALLY appreciate the number of people both looking for a manifold, and supporting the process. Probably time to buy out
the "interesting"
fellow that currently owns the right to the Gary Rockwell casting molds.

Thanks Again,

Jack
--
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Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach

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Mine works just fine with the crossover filled with aluminum. 15 or so
years now.
bdub

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist On Behalf Of Jim Kanomata
Sent: Wednesday, May 2, 2018 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Intake manifold search

Filling the exaust route with Aluminum will not work on a coach as there is
too much load on the engine.

> I have a stock manifold with the crossovers already filled with
> aluminum. I bought it from Larry Weidner a few years ago and never got it
> installed before selling my coach. The biggest problem for you is that
I'm in Iowa
> and the shipping would add some cost.
 
Jack, I had a spare, cracked manifold but left it at the machine shop. Filling the crossover will eliminate the vacuum leak. If you would like, I can
go by and see if he still has it laying around. It's yours if you can't find a good one. We can figure out how to get it to you. It depends on if
Shedlers still has it. My info is in the blacklist.

Jerry

> Thanks Everyone!!
>
> The ONLY reason I am messing with this, is I cannot find a STOCK intake Manifold ANYWHERE. I have tried the junkyard national lines, EBAY,
> Applied,Rocket Olds, Mondello, and the Toronado forums. I know there is nothing to gain, in such a low revving torque engine like a 455, but since
> my PO changed out the manifold, I'm just stuck.
> I called Applied again today and spoke with Jim, and he thinks he can get me a stock manifold. When it shows up problem solved, and thanks for all
> the support.. I REALLY appreciate the number of people both looking for a manifold, and supporting the process. Probably time to buy out the
> "interesting" fellow that currently owns the right to the Gary Rockwell casting molds.
>
> Thanks Again,
>
> Jack

--
Patti & Jerry Burt
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
 
Jerry perfect!! I can easily stop by the machine shop (I'll be in Fresno tonight, but late), so can easily pick it up anytime. I'm in Fresno
regularly. Assuming they have not scrapped it.
I don't mind fixing it.. been fixing things my whole life... (GRIN)

Let me know. I'll PM you with my cell

--
Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach
 
Jack -

This is Bob in Cincinnati; I think you sent the message in error, addressed
to a "Jerry".

Bob Burkitt Cincinnati Sent privately

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Jack
Ramsey
Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 12:57 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Intake manifold search

Jerry perfect!! I can easily stop by the machine shop (I'll be in Fresno
tonight, but late), so can easily pick it up anytime. I'm in Fresno
regularly. Assuming they have not scrapped it.
I don't mind fixing it.. been fixing things my whole life... (GRIN)

Let me know. I'll PM you with my cell

--
Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach

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Not so private 😜

Sully
77 eleganza 2
Bellevue

> Jack -
>
> This is Bob in Cincinnati; I think you sent the message in error, addressed
> to a "Jerry".
>
> Bob Burkitt Cincinnati Sent privately
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Jack
> Ramsey
> Sent: Thursday, May 3, 2018 12:57 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Intake manifold search
>
> Jerry perfect!! I can easily stop by the machine shop (I'll be in Fresno
> tonight, but late), so can easily pick it up anytime. I'm in Fresno
> regularly. Assuming they have not scrapped it.
> I don't mind fixing it.. been fixing things my whole life... (GRIN)
>
> Let me know. I'll PM you with my cell
>
>
> --
> Jack Ramsey
> Tulare, CA
> TZE165V101526
> 1975 Palm Beach
>
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There are some aftermarket housings for the Qjet that will drop your clearance. I too was faced with this and did not want a doghouse. I was able to
piece together these two items to get about a 3" clearance drop over the OEM air housing while also maintain a fitting for fresh air.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/aaf-all26092

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/spe-98625

They fit (barely), and the choke/throttle/cruise control all works fine.

We had to add a single piece of 3/4 inch plywood to our hatch cover to raise it 0.75 inches with this setup. I know different coaches will have
different heights but wanted to provide these parts as a reference for anybody looking for a lower profile airbox.
--
Chris S. -
77 Kingsley, 3.70 FD, mostly OEM -
S.E. Michigan
 
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