Instruments

[mr.c]

Have a question for the group. In Albuq there is a company who develops guages,
and can make up anything we want. I talked to the fellow, Vernon, and he agreed
to come to the Albuq Rally and show off some of his guages. I asked him about
sensors for the air system.
He suggested an interesting approach. Using electrical sensors, he would tell us
the pressure in the air tank, and the differential pressure between the left and
right side, telling us how much one was higher than the other. If these
changed, we would know something was wrong. He can do that for about $200 if he
has 30 or so who need it. If we wanted more accurate info, it would cost more.

I think this is a better approach than running air lines from the back to the
front. Less likelihood of leaks etc. Would like to know netter's opinions or
thoughts. If enough of us want this special guage, he will build it just for
us.

However, he has lots of guages in stock and will be coming to show some of them
off. He will be offering a special price to GMC owners.
Please check his web site and see what you
think...http://internet.roadrunner.com/mnm/

I will monitor the responses and see if there is enough interest.

 

[bdub]

I'm interested in new gauges for my GMC, but don't understand what
'pressure differential' will tell us about what's going on with our rear
suspension.

Thanks

ps I just ordered a catalog from them.

>Have a question for the group. In Albuq there is a company who develops
>guages,
>and can make up anything we want. I talked to the fellow, Vernon, and he
>agreed
>to come to the Albuq Rally and show off some of his guages. I asked him about
>sensors for the air system.
>He suggested an interesting approach. Using electrical sensors, he would
>tell us
>the pressure in the air tank, and the differential pressure between the left
>and
>right side, telling us how much one was higher than the other. If these
>changed, we would know something was wrong. He can do that for about $200
>if he
>has 30 or so who need it. If we wanted more accurate info, it would cost
more.
>
>I think this is a better approach than running air lines from the back to the
>front. Less likelihood of leaks etc. Would like to know netter's opinions or
>thoughts. If enough of us want this special guage, he will build it just for
>us.
>
>However, he has lots of guages in stock and will be coming to show some of
them
>off. He will be offering a special price to GMC owners.
>Please check his web site and see what you
>think...http://internet.roadrunner.com/mnm/
>
>
>I will monitor the responses and see if there is enough interest.
>
>
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333

 

[mr.c]

The idea was to know when everything is fine. ie, when the left is 93lbs and the
right is 95 lbs, we would see 2lb to the right. If that changed by 10 or so
pounds, the reading would tell us something was wrong. Does this make sense. The
fellow at MNM seemed to think he could make them cheaper and stil provide the info
by doing it that way.
Al

> I'm interested in new gauges for my GMC, but don't understand what
> 'pressure differential' will tell us about what's going on with our rear
> suspension.
>
> Thanks
>
> ps I just ordered a catalog from them.
>

> >Have a question for the group. In Albuq there is a company who develops
> >guages,
> >and can make up anything we want. I talked to the fellow, Vernon, and he
> >agreed
> >to come to the Albuq Rally and show off some of his guages. I asked him about
> >sensors for the air system.
> >He suggested an interesting approach. Using electrical sensors, he would
> >tell us
> >the pressure in the air tank, and the differential pressure between the left
> >and
> >right side, telling us how much one was higher than the other. If these
> >changed, we would know something was wrong. He can do that for about $200
> >if he
> >has 30 or so who need it. If we wanted more accurate info, it would cost
> more.
> >
> >I think this is a better approach than running air lines from the back to the
> >front. Less likelihood of leaks etc. Would like to know netter's opinions or
> >thoughts. If enough of us want this special guage, he will build it just for
> >us.
> >
> >However, he has lots of guages in stock and will be coming to show some of
> them
> >off. He will be offering a special price to GMC owners.
> >Please check his web site and see what you
> >think...http://internet.roadrunner.com/mnm/
> >
> >
> >I will monitor the responses and see if there is enough interest.
> >
> >
> >
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333

 

[bdub]

I ain't no expert on these things, but I believe (please correct me if
needed) that the system works by a couple of levers that operate equalizer
valves. Like, if the left side is carrying a lot more load than the right
side, instead of the coach leaning to the left, the system will add air
(pressure) to that side to make it rise up and be level with the other.

Now, this load from side to side is going to change constantly because of
differing roadway drainage grades, folks changing sides of the coach, going
around a long curve in the road (either direction) , ect.. Seems to me
that a differential gauge would be constantly changing thus rendering
useless the information gleaned from it.

I ain't all that smart so indeed might just be full of it. This is just
what I think from what I think I know so far. Please set me straight if
need be.

ps: Baseball size hail presently in Colorado City. Near where Hienz spent
the night last night.

>The idea was to know when everything is fine. ie, when the left is 93lbs and
>the
>right is 95 lbs, we would see 2lb to the right. If that changed by 10 or so
>pounds, the reading would tell us something was wrong. Does this make
>sense. The
>fellow at MNM seemed to think he could make them cheaper and stil provide
>the info
>by doing it that way.
>Al
>

>
>> I'm interested in new gauges for my GMC, but don't understand what
>> 'pressure differential' will tell us about what's going on with our rear
>> suspension.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> ps I just ordered a catalog from them.
>>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333

 

[bartz paul]

Al:

No need for additional air lines. Electrically connect the pickup sensors
to the readout gauge.

Paul Bartz

From: mr.c
Sent: 4/13/99 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Instruments

Don't know enough to say right or wrong. All I know is that there is a
fellow
that would develop guages if they would help us. Any idea of what the
guages
should be or read will be welcome. At a couple of rally's I saw a
series of
guages that read the left, right and the tank pressure. The reason I
don't like
that is the fact that added air lines will be needed to go from the back
to the
front and the opportunity for more leaks will be great. So I thought
this would
be a good idea.

By the way Bill, hope the seats work. Are you still coming to the rally
for a
few days?
al

> I ain't no expert on these things, but I believe (please correct me if
> needed) that the system works by a couple of levers that operate
equalizer
> valves. Like, if the left side is carrying a lot more load than the
right
> side, instead of the coach leaning to the left, the system will add
air
> (pressure) to that side to make it rise up and be level with the
other.
>
> Now, this load from side to side is going to change constantly because
of
> differing roadway drainage grades, folks changing sides of the coach,
going
> around a long curve in the road (either direction) , ect.. Seems to
me
> that a differential gauge would be constantly changing thus rendering
> useless the information gleaned from it.
>
> I ain't all that smart so indeed might just be full of it. This is
just
> what I think from what I think I know so far. Please set me straight
if
> need be.
>
> ps: Baseball size hail presently in Colorado City. Near where Hienz
spent
> the night last night.
>

> >The idea was to know when everything is fine. ie, when the left is
93lbs and
> >the
> >right is 95 lbs, we would see 2lb to the right. If that changed by
10 or so
> >pounds, the reading would tell us something was wrong. Does this
make
> >sense. The
> >fellow at MNM seemed to think he could make them cheaper and stil
provide
> >the info
> >by doing it that way.
> >Al
> >

> >
> >> I'm interested in new gauges for my GMC, but don't understand what
> >> 'pressure differential' will tell us about what's going on with our
rear
> >> suspension.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> ps I just ordered a catalog from them.
> >>
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333

 

[mr.c]

Don't know enough to say right or wrong. All I know is that there is a fellow
that would develop guages if they would help us. Any idea of what the guages
should be or read will be welcome. At a couple of rally's I saw a series of
guages that read the left, right and the tank pressure. The reason I don't like
that is the fact that added air lines will be needed to go from the back to the
front and the opportunity for more leaks will be great. So I thought this would
be a good idea.

By the way Bill, hope the seats work. Are you still coming to the rally for a
few days?
al

> I ain't no expert on these things, but I believe (please correct me if
> needed) that the system works by a couple of levers that operate equalizer
> valves. Like, if the left side is carrying a lot more load than the right
> side, instead of the coach leaning to the left, the system will add air
> (pressure) to that side to make it rise up and be level with the other.
>
> Now, this load from side to side is going to change constantly because of
> differing roadway drainage grades, folks changing sides of the coach, going
> around a long curve in the road (either direction) , ect.. Seems to me
> that a differential gauge would be constantly changing thus rendering
> useless the information gleaned from it.
>
> I ain't all that smart so indeed might just be full of it. This is just
> what I think from what I think I know so far. Please set me straight if
> need be.
>
> ps: Baseball size hail presently in Colorado City. Near where Hienz spent
> the night last night.
>

> >The idea was to know when everything is fine. ie, when the left is 93lbs and
> >the
> >right is 95 lbs, we would see 2lb to the right. If that changed by 10 or so
> >pounds, the reading would tell us something was wrong. Does this make
> >sense. The
> >fellow at MNM seemed to think he could make them cheaper and stil provide
> >the info
> >by doing it that way.
> >Al
> >

> >
> >> I'm interested in new gauges for my GMC, but don't understand what
> >> 'pressure differential' will tell us about what's going on with our rear
> >> suspension.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> ps I just ordered a catalog from them.
> >>
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333

 

[mr.c]

When I get a bunch of these ideas, I will provide them to Vernon. He will tell
us what he can do.
al

> Mr C.,
> I would be interested in some type of electronic sensor (other than what I
> have on my 78 coach Electrolevel II) that would tell me how high my rear
> frame (at the boogie) on each side is off the pavement so that I could
> manually adjust the air pressure and raise or lower the coach as I please. I
> would want a digital readout, that could be calibrated to say 11 when the
> frame is 11 inches above the pavement. In rough terrain, I would raise the
> coach and inch or 2 to make sure the trailing plumbing system clears (or I
> hope it would clear). I would also like to have a couple of digital readouts
> for the air pressure in each bag (electronically sent to the guage located up
> front).
>
> JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC

 

[richard bachert]

Arch/Al, When you get all this pulled together, please post it here as there
are a number of us who might like to consider the same package. Keep in
mind, however, that not all of us have a Brink's truck for a toad (like some
of you guys).
Dick 75 PB (in smaller and smaller chunks on the floor) in Atlanta
PS: And after this April 15th, I'll be lucky to have two nickles to rub
together. Anybody who might want to help us stop the insanity of an income
tax and IRS, e-mail me privately. (End of public service announcement.)

>Al
>
>Here is what I would like. A Digital dash that would give me a high
>sign when things are not right. I will admit to looking at the scenery
>to much and not noticing some out of range gauge. I would like all of
>the standard stuff--water temp-oil pressure-speed-vacuume-trans temp
>diff temp--engine temp--oil pressure--engine bat and house bat voltage
>--would like tire pressure readings--air pressure and
>coppressor on time--you probably know much better than I do what
>I need. Just some thoughts for you. Thats what I think.
>
>Take Care
>Arch 76 GB IL
>
>In a message dated 4/13/99 10:44:07 PM Central Daylight Time, mr.c
>writes:
>
>>
>> When I get a bunch of these ideas, I will provide them to Vernon. He will
>> tell
>> us what he can do.
>> al
>
>

 

[mr.c]

To one and all.... I am leaving for Casa de Fruta rally. I will be back to get my
2,000 messages when I get back. If you want to reach me, send me mail to
archernoff I will be looking at that on a somewhat daily basis if I
can find a phone.
al

> The pressure gauges could easily use an electronic sending unit just like
> the ones for oil pressure currently on your GMC. Better yet, but way more
> expensive, they could even be wireless like the remote tire pressure
> indicator that 'ol Hienz just installed.
>
> I really like JR Wheeler's idea about digital readout's to indicate ride
> hieght for left and right side. That would definintly tell you if your
> electro-level system was working properly and allow you to manually over
> ride it. Like Emory said, these sensors are readily available and are in
> wide use already. It might even be a good way to upgrade the system and do
> away with the manual valving (and all the extra hoses they entail) and
> levers that are prone to bending. All we need is MNM to put all the pieces
> together for our specific application.
>
> I hope the seat frames work too. My folks will be up there this weekend to
> pick them up for me. I should have them here in a couple of weeks.
>
> We are definitly going to be at the balloon fiesta rally. We're saving our
> pennies now to send you for registration. This southern engineering
> doesn't pay all that well, ya know.
>
> See ya in October
>

> >Don't know enough to say right or wrong. All I know is that there is a fellow
> >that would develop guages if they would help us. Any idea of what the guages
> >should be or read will be welcome. At a couple of rally's I saw a series of
> >guages that read the left, right and the tank pressure. The reason I don't
> >like
> >that is the fact that added air lines will be needed to go from the back
> to the
> >front and the opportunity for more leaks will be great. So I thought this
> >would
> >be a good idea.
> >
> >By the way Bill, hope the seats work. Are you still coming to the rally for a
> >few days?
> >al
> >
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333