Inner CV Joint to Final Drive Flange Bolts

I'm thinking there must be some permanent Loctite behind my bolts
because I never was able to break even one loose. I wanted to do that
for diagnostic purposes, but a hose and my ear finally led me where I
needed to go.

--
Ken Coit, ND7N
Raleigh, NC
Parfait Royale
1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07

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> Matt,
>
> Could this be the same situation I recently ran into while replacing wheel
> bearings on my old Ford Explorer?
>
> Reference the wheel hub nut that holds the axle in place, the service manual
> states "Remove the wheel hub nut and discard it. NEVER reuse the wheel hub
> nut." I found that I could easily buy a bearing and hub assembly for my
> truck, but when I wanted to buy the " wheel hub nut " all the parts places,
> including the local Ford dealer said that "is a special order item". Why is
> it a special order part when you are supposed to get a new one with each
> bearing replacement? I special ordered one because I was afraid of the
> warning to "not reuse the wheel hub nut". Apparently, most places,
> including our Ford dealer reuse the hub nut when they replace bearings.
>
> Richard Waters
> 1976 Palm Beach, still all green!
> Troy, Michigan USA
> Website: www.PalmBeachGMC.com


Richard,

As I recall, that nut is a prevailing torque lock nut. (It does not have a cotter pin or other retainer.)

Locking capability of one of these is always problematic.

I bet that the dealership mechanics put a drop of red Locktite on it and forget about it.

(I would not be surprised if a large number of customers got charged for the replacement part.)

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan

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Rick "second-guessing what was in the mind of the design engineer",

Your bicycle spoke analogy is really good (I have to remember to use that one). The fact that spokes have ends that are much larger cross-section than the majority of the length is a great example of a way to control what area is subjected to the higher strain. I am forever trying to explain that the stretch is what really makes threaded fasteners stay tight.

By-the-by,
Second-guessing what an engineer specified 30+ years ago is not necessarily a bad idea. The only thing that has not changed in the nearly four decades since my first engineering degree is the basic physical principles. Materials available now are things we used to have to go to special suppliers to acquire if they were available at all. Analysis capabilities available now are simply astounding. Quality control used to mean inspecting things and throwing the rest away, now it means making things so well that inspection in most often used to determine the capability of the process controls in use.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie
'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan

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G'day,

I stopped by the shop where I buy my nuts and bolts today and purchased
several grade 8 Allen Head Cap Screws (AHCS) (3/8" x 24 x 1 1/4") and some
grade 8 (8 mm) hardened washers. Eight mm washers were purchased because
3/8" washers were too sloppy a fit.

The screws were manufactured by:

Brighton-Best Socket Head Screw Manufacturing Inc.
1665 Heraeus Boulevard
Buford, Georgia 30518-3383

The washers were in a bin without any manufacturer labels.

Using a small grind stone in my Dremel tool the holes in the washers were
increased to a snug fit around the AHCS threads.

The threaded end of the AHCS were machined flat so the over all length (OAL=
)
could be measured accurately.

I've got the whole front suspension system and drive system out of The Blue
Streak so the left final drive flange was clamped in a vice using copper ja=
w
liners to protect the splines.

The inner CV joint housing was placed on top of the final drive flange and
one of the AHCS was screwed in finger tight to keep them together.

A 0.300 in diameter ball bearing was inserted in the socket head of another
AHCS and the OAL was measured with a micrometer (Measurement #1).

A hardened washer was place on that AHCS and it was screwed it into the
inner CV joint housing 180 degrees opposite the one already installed
without any lubrication.

The 3/8" x 24 AHCS takes a 5/16 Allen wrench. I put an adapter on my torque
wrench (McMaster Carr P/N 5274A12 Easy-Read Adjustable Click-Style Torque
Wrench 3/8" SQ Dr, 5-80 ft-lbs/5-110 NM Torque Range) and set to 45 ft lb.

The AHCS was torqued slowly keeping my arm at an angle of 90 degrees
perpendicular to the wrench until it clicked.

The ball bearing was re-inserted in the AHCS socket and the OAL re-measured
(see measurement #2).

The torque wrench was re-set to 75 ft lb and the AHCS was re-torqued.

The ball bearing was re-inserted in the AHCS socket and the OAL re-measured
(see measurement #3).=20

The AHCS was removed from the flange, the ball bearing re-inserted in the
socket and the OAL was re-measured (see measurement #4).

Measurement #1 1.6160
Measurement #2 1.6180 (bolt stretched 0.0020 at 45 ft lb torque)
Measurement #3 1.6218 (bolt stretched 0.0058 at 75 ft lb torque)
Measurement #4 1.6191 (bolt stretched 0.0031 from new length)

Copper based anti-seize grease was applied to the threads and between the
bottom of the head and the hardened washer of a second AHCS and the test wa=
s
repeated.

Measurement #1 1.6097
Measurement #2 1.6130 (bolt stretched 0.0033 at 45 ft lb torque)
Measurement #3 1.6183 (bolt stretched 0.0086 at 75 ft lb torque)
Measurement #4 1.6133 (bolt stretched 0.0036 from new length)

NEW SUBJECT:

Steve Rourke of Cinnabar advised that the OEM bolts P/N 394777 were
available for $2.00 each. They also stock the lock washers P/N MS37 at $1.2=
5
ea.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO:

Twenty four (24) OEM bolts have been ordered from Cinnabar to fit to The
Blue Streak and Double Trouble. When they arrive the heads will be drilled
for safety wire using a cobalt drill bit. If they fit snugly 3/8" hardened
washers will be used under them; if not 8 MM hardened washers will be
reworked. The OEM bolts will be installed using a bit of oil for
lubrication.

Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
75 - Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak
75 - Avion - USA - Double Trouble

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