Induction cooktop run off an inverter

jerry work

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Have any of you had success running an induction cooktop off of an inverter? If so, please post the make and model of the inverter and the make and model of the induction cooktop.

This technology is ideally suited for our GMCs as it heats more quickly than other stove technologies (boil water in a couple of minutes) so it draws relatively little from the battery bank powered by a sine wave inverter of appropriate size and it won't heat up the interior like propane and resistance heat cooking will.

Our Prevost came with a Gagganau two burner 220vac quartz cooktop that will only work if plugged into 50 amp shore power or if the generator is running. We purchased a single burner 120 vac induction cooktop with which we are very impressed, but it will not run off of the Heart modified square wave inverters (two of them) stock to this coach. Everything else runs just fine.

Replacing both inverters with pure sine wave units would cost $5000 so I am considering just adding another inverter, a pure sine wave one, dedicated for this purpose but want to be sure which combination will work properly.

Jerry

Jerry Work
Kerby, OR
 
My induction cooktop would turn on and whine while hooked up to 3 different inverters, but would not achieve the magnetic resonance necessary to make
the pan hot. It was a nice dream while it lasted, but 8 months out of the year I need the A/C running in there if the sun is shining on the vehicle in
any way. No inverter I can afford is going to power that, and if I cook in there I'm gonna have the A/C on anyway. Having the portable induction unit
gives you a large counter when it is put away or put back in the corner when the oven/stove is gone.
--
Terry Kelpien

ASE Master Technician

73 Glacier 260

Smithfield, Va.
 
Find a friend with a pure sine inverter and take your induction unit to them and try it :)
--
Terry Kelpien

ASE Master Technician

73 Glacier 260

Smithfield, Va.
 
Give Dick Wright a call at WRICO Int. in Eugene.
(541) 744-4333 Tell him I sent you.
Hal
--
1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
For use in an RV Eurodib S2F1 Double Countertop Induction Range - 120V,
1800W looks like it can be set into the counter so it does not take up
space when it is not in use.
A 2000W pure sine inverter should be able to run it.
Chef'sStar Touch Panel 1800W is single burner unit that should also work in
as a built-in counter unit. It is actually a countertop unit.
I have gas range but I cook on 2 NuWave PIC 1800W portable induction
cooktop countertop burner. That is as much power as I could find on a 120V
system. I did try a 240 volt 5 element 4800 W. 1 high power element worked
well for 6 qt pressure cooker but did not have the control so I reverted to
the smaller units.

I like the controllability of the PIC. It has 5-degree steps from 100 to
575. It can be programmed to cook for a time and temp. then change to a new
set up to 10 times.
There is a newer version that can cut back to 900 watts but 900 watts does
not cook very fast. There are times I would like to have 3000 watts.

If you have an undersized inverter you can set the temp low and work your
way up monitoring the power with a kill-o-watt meter till you max out your
inverter. To run the PIC at full power you will need at least 170 A 12 V
DC to feed a 2000 W pure sine inverter.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Hal StClair
wrote:

> Give Dick Wright a call at WRICO Int. in Eugene.
> (541) 744-4333 Tell him I sent you.
> Hal
> --
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
> 1975 Eleganza II, 101230,
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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A) What gave you that idea?
and B) It would be the same for an SOB anyhow.
:)

--johnny

--
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"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
> A) What gave you that idea?
> and B) It would be the same for an SOB anyhow.
> :)
>
> --johnny

I suspect Gene was refering to Jerry Works original post.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
 
Yep

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:09 AM Steve Southworth
wrote:

> > A) What gave you that idea?
> > and B) It would be the same for an SOB anyhow.
> > :)
> >
> > --johnny
>
>
> I suspect Gene was refering to Jerry Works original post.
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
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--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Consider the power you are consuming from your batteries at these power levels. For easy calculating lets use 1800 watts load and 100Amp/hr battery,
we can scale it from there.

1800 watts @ 85% efficiency = ~2120watts input to the inverter. your fully charged battery at 12.6v will with internal battery resistance, connector
and wire resistance, and fuse resistance, easily drop to 11.5v at the inverter terminals. 2120/11.5v = ~185amps. Inverters typically will shut-down
below 10.5V input, at that point the input current is over 200amps.

Now you don't want to discharge your lead acid battery below 50%. Your 100Amp/hr rating is for a 20C rate, or 5amps over 20 hrs. At 185amps, its
capacity will drop like a stone, likely down to 50% or less, so now you have only 50Amp/hrs and at 50% discharge is now only 25amp/hrs. so 25Amp/hrs
@ 185Amps = about 8 minutes till you are discharged to the battery damage point.

So you have 6 x 6v batteries and you have lots of power... so that's about 3 x 150 = 450amp/hrs, so you have about 40 minutes to cook your stew.

Then it will take 10-15 hours to recharge the batteries.

High current, deep discharge will severely shorten the life your your batteries.

IMHO Better to run your generator for a few minutes and keep your batteries for lighter loads
--
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
Hubler 1 ton front end
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My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
 
This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of
drawbacks.

Full disclosure - I prefer cooking on gas over electric in general and the vast majority of my RV trips are boondocking so I never plan for hookups.
--
77 Birchaven 23 w/ 455
Reno, NV
 
> This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of drawbacks.

Hi John,

I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method in a GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why one would even consider running it from an inverter.

Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright dangerous.

I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane? Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a bit?

Sign me “baffled”...
—Jim

Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
 
> This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of drawbacks.

Hi John,

I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method in a GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why one would even consider running it from an inverter.

Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright dangerous.

I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane? Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a bit?

Sign me ?baffled?...
?Jim

Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
......:
 
Hi Jerry I am an ex truck driver and have used inverters of every size to
power my 110v stuff I went to 110 after going through loads of 12v things
got tired of burning up coffee pots the inverter opened up a whole new
world with me living on the road when my wife and me saw the advertisement
for the NU WAVE induction cook top I thought this would work great so we
got the deal for two of them when we got them we tried it at home and it
works like a dream but when I put the other one on the truck it would not
work so I got a bigger inverter still nothing I then got the other one from
home and tried it still nothing so I called the company and asked them
about it and was told that because of the way they are made that they will
not work with inverters the nu wave is only1300 watts and I was pushing it
with 2500 and 3000 watt inverters so it must be something with the circuitry

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> All good points and I am well versed in the arithmetic involved with
> batteries and inverters. This Prevost, like many current high end coaches,
> is an all electric coach with 1850 ah of AGM batteries. All the appliances
> are residential devices. There is no propane on board although I do carry a
> small bottle to power the propane fire pit and the BBQ.
>
> The appeal of induction cooktops, and why they are common on new coaches,
> is they heat food very quickly while imparting far less heat into the
> interior of the coach so it stays cool unlike cooking with propane or
> resistance. Those same traits are why they are so popular in other
> countries around the world and are becoming more common in residential
> applications here as well.
>
> The fast cooking means the inverter, while drawing substantial power, only
> does do for a short period of time - a few minutes for most applications.
> Very much the same arithmetic as powering a microwave from an inverter which
> many motorhomer's do from far smaller battery
> banks.
>
> Yes, turning on the 17500 watt generator is an option, and what I would do
> for extended cooking applications, but I also want to explore the inverter
> option for quick use. Hence looking for anyone who has experience doing so.
>
> Thanks for the input.
>
> Jerry Work
> Kerby, OR
> .......
> rom: Jim Miller
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Induction cooktop run off an inverter
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>
> > This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction
> cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of
> drawbacks.
>
> Hi John,
>
> I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am
> interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method in a
> GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why one
> would even consider running it from an inverter.
>
> Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some
> magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the
> wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re
> conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in
> installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright
> dangerous.
>
> I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps
> for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane?
> Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a bit?
>
> Sign me ?baffled?...
> ?Jim
>
> Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
> ......:
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> This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of drawbacks.

Hi John,

I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method in a GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why one would even consider running it from an inverter.

Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright dangerous.

I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane? Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a bit?

Sign me ?baffled?...
?Jim

Jim Miller
1977 Eleganza
1977 Royale
Hamilton, OH
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It's the waveform put out by most inverters that causes the problem. An
induction cooktop induces electrical currents in the metal of the pan, and
the electromagnetic field it creates to do that requires a clean sine wave,
so that currents and voltages are constantly and smoothly changing rather
than jumping in steps. It should work with a true sine-wave inverter. That
would let out my generator, which uses a dedicated inverter that is
probably not a sufficiently pure sine wave.

Rick "sticking with propane" Denney

> Hi Jerry I am an ex truck driver and have used inverters of every size to
> power my 110v stuff I went to 110 after going through loads of 12v things
> got tired of burning up coffee pots the inverter opened up a whole new
> world with me living on the road when my wife and me saw the advertisement
> for the NU WAVE induction cook top I thought this would work great so we
> got the deal for two of them when we got them we tried it at home and it
> works like a dream but when I put the other one on the truck it would not
> work so I got a bigger inverter still nothing I then got the other one from
> home and tried it still nothing so I called the company and asked them
> about it and was told that because of the way they are made that they will
> not work with inverters the nu wave is only1300 watts and I was pushing it
> with 2500 and 3000 watt inverters so it must be something with the
> circuitry
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>
> > All good points and I am well versed in the arithmetic involved with
> > batteries and inverters. This Prevost, like many current high end
> coaches,
> > is an all electric coach with 1850 ah of AGM batteries. All the
> appliances
> > are residential devices. There is no propane on board although I do
> carry a
> > small bottle to power the propane fire pit and the BBQ.
> >
> > The appeal of induction cooktops, and why they are common on new coaches,
> > is they heat food very quickly while imparting far less heat into the
> > interior of the coach so it stays cool unlike cooking with propane or
> > resistance. Those same traits are why they are so popular in other
> > countries around the world and are becoming more common in residential
> > applications here as well.
> >
> > The fast cooking means the inverter, while drawing substantial power,
> only
> > does do for a short period of time - a few minutes for most applications.
> > Very much the same arithmetic as powering a microwave from an inverter
> which
> > many motorhomer's do from far smaller battery
> > banks.
> >
> > Yes, turning on the 17500 watt generator is an option, and what I would
> do
> > for extended cooking applications, but I also want to explore the
> inverter
> > option for quick use. Hence looking for anyone who has experience doing
> so.
> >
> > Thanks for the input.
> >
> > Jerry Work
> > Kerby, OR
> > .......
> > rom: Jim Miller
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Induction cooktop run off an inverter
> > Message-ID:
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >

> >
> > > This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction
> > cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot
> of
> > drawbacks.
> >
> > Hi John,
> >
> > I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am
> > interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method
> in a
> > GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why
> one
> > would even consider running it from an inverter.
> >
> > Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some
> > magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the
> > wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re
> > conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in
> > installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright
> > dangerous.
> >
> > I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps
> > for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane?
> > Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a
> bit?
> >
> > Sign me ?baffled?...
> > ?Jim
> >
> > Jim Miller
> > 1977 Eleganza
> > 1977 Royale
> > Hamilton, OH
> > ......:
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The main reason to not use propane is to eliminate the propane from the
coach. The OP has an electric cooktop installed. Adding a secondary cook
method of propane would be kind of complex.

Next, a good inductive cook element gives a lot of control. One of which is
to cook a lot of things at 210F and use a lot less than max power. When I
do cook food that has water in it I cook at about 210 sometimes 215. Adding
a lot more energy just makes steam. Butter burns about 250F so if I am
cooking with butter I cook at 240F.
My PIC unit uses 630 watts to warm up if set below 275, at 275 it jumps to
1036W, at 400 it is using 1366W and at 560 F it is using 1595W
I put 32.25 oz of water in a saucepan set time for 20 min. temp. at 275F at
8 min. it was boiling so I cut it back to 210. At shutdown, it had used
250Whs.
5.95 oz of water vapor was boiled off.
If you want to fill a 6-quart pressure cooker you will need every bit of
power this unit will give and a lot of patients.

If I want to boil sooner I could have started at 570F but if I wanted to
save my RV batteries I could have set time for 25 min. and temp at 210 and
had about the same results with less energy used. Once I reduced temp. to
210 power reading fluctuated between 275 and 620W.
If you are just cooking a little something for 2 you would not have to
sacrifice the batteries.

Set time to 25 min. and temp to 210F, 32.00 0z required 200Wh and produced
4.45 Oz steam. My altitude is about 120 feet.

Question to OP, What are the power ratings on your 2 inverters? Are they
wired together in series to give you 240 volts in your coach? What do you
have for house batteries?

>
> > This is one thing I never quite got. What's the allure of an induction
> cooktop in an RV? I don't see any advantage over propane and a whole lot of
> drawbacks.
>
> Hi John,
>
> I am usually a lurker on GMCnet and only pipe up occasionally. I, too, am
> interested in the reasoning behind using any electrical cooking method in a
> GMC be it inductive or resistive - but even more so I was wondering why one
> would even consider running it from an inverter.
>
> Like solar panels and wind turbines, these inverters seem to have some
> magical Star Wars light-saber allure and end up getting used for all the
> wrong reasons. Unfortunately the EE concepts of P=IE and P=I^2R (re
> conductor loss) are usually ignored on the inverter setups and result in
> installations that are either marginal in performance or are outright
> dangerous.
>
> I guess if one has an unlimited supply of DC then drawing 12V @ 200 amps
> for a half hour while cooking dinner is OK..but why not just use propane?
> Or, if you really must have electrical cooking - start the genset for a bit?
>
> Sign me “baffled”...
> —Jim
>
> Jim Miller
> 1977 Eleganza
> 1977 Royale
> Hamilton, OH
>
>
>
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G'day,

I see no reason to remove the LPG system from the GMC.

When I was collecting responses for the document below I didn't get any emails noting fires that were caused by the LPG system nor any that were fueled by LPG after starting.

If anyone knows of one I would appreciate knowing the circumstances so I can update the document below.

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Mueller_GMCer-Fire-Guide.pdf

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
 
I think he's asking for his Prevost conversion. It probably has at least 4 8D batteries @ 250 AH each. Not really in the same league as our GMC's.
Hal
--
1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1975 Eleganza II, 101230,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
from OP:
This Prevost, like many current high-end coaches, is an all-electric coach
with 1850 ah of AGM batteries. All the appliances are residential devices.
There is no propane on board although I do carry a small bottle to power
the propane fire pit and the BBQ.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Hal StClair
wrote:

> I think he's asking for his Prevost conversion. It probably has at least 4
> 8D batteries @ 250 AH each. Not really in the same league as our GMC's.
> Hal
> --
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
> 1975 Eleganza II, 101230,
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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