I wonder if (air bags)

adolph santorine

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So, I received a call on these for our company truck.

https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php

It’s $150 per sensor.

The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”

|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"
 
I do not understand.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>
> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>
> It’s $150 per sensor.
>
> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>
> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> "--OO--[]---O-"
>
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Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.

I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.

The math isn’t complicated.

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

>
> I do not understand.
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>>
>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>
>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>
>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>
>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>
>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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And then the weight reported could be correlated to the needed psi to level the ride. Interesting.

Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, CA

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Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.

I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.

The math isn’t complicated.

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

>
> I do not understand.
>
>
>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>>
>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>
>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>
>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>
>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>
>>
>> Dolph
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>
>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
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>
>
> --
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> 1-800-752-7502
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Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
suspension force is concentrated???

Ken H.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>
> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>
> The math isn’t complicated.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> >
> > I do not understand.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> >>
> >> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
> >>
> >> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
> >>
> >> It’s $150 per sensor.
> >>
> >> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dolph
> >>
> >> DE AD0LF
> >>
> >> Wheeling, West Virginia
> >>
> >> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> >> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
> >>
> >> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
> >>
> >> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> >> "--OO--[]---O-"
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> GMCnet mailing list
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> > jimk
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> > 1-800-752-7502
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hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
The hard part is calibration.
Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.

I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.

Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
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From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)

Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
suspension force is concentrated???

Ken H.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>
> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>
> The math isn’t complicated.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> >
> > I do not understand.
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> >>
> >> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
> >>
> >> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
> >>
> >> It’s $150 per sensor.
> >>
> >> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
> >>
> >>
> >> Dolph
> >>
> >> DE AD0LF
> >>
> >> Wheeling, West Virginia
> >>
> >> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> >> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
> >>
> >> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
> >>
> >> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> >> "--OO--[]---O-"
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> GMCnet mailing list
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jim Kanomata
> > Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> > jimk
> > http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> > 1-800-752-7502
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I wonder how the https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php do it.

I picked his brain about calibration, and it was basically a set point at empty and full.

They are looking at weight, not ride height.

My interest was weight.

Keith, I can’t even begin to tell you how pleased I am with the Microlevel system. The campsite leveling feature is amazing.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”

|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"

>
> hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
> The hard part is calibration.
> Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.
>
> I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
> maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.
>
> Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Cc: Ken Henderson
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
>
> Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
> EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
> value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
> suspension force is concentrated???
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>
>> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>>
>> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>>
>> The math isn’t complicated.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

>>>
>>> I do not understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>>>>
>>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>>
>>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dolph
>>>>
>>>> DE AD0LF
>>>>
>>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>>
>>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>>
>>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>>
>>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Kanomata
>>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>>> jimk
>>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>>> 1-800-752-7502
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Thanks Dolph, good to have feedback 🙂

The problem is with the GMC we can vary ride height, a semi trailer is always at ride height. This means the air pressure can be the same value for different weights. I suppose if you have ride height controlled, read AND front, that would work

As far as needing their fancy system, all you need is a pressure gauge and a table. It could be completely manual.
The hard part is making the table
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I wonder how the https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php do it.

I picked his brain about calibration, and it was basically a set point at empty and full.

They are looking at weight, not ride height.

My interest was weight.

Keith, I can’t even begin to tell you how pleased I am with the Microlevel system. The campsite leveling feature is amazing.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”

|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"

>
> hooking up a pressure sensor is easy,
> The hard part is calibration.
> Hard as in measuring air pressure and weight at multiple suspension heights and weights.
>
> I doubt you could get by just measuring pressure at ride height and a range of weights, but maybe.
> maybe even just measure three weights and fit a curve to it.
>
> Oh you'd also need to do it for each bag type
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Henderson via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:04 PM
> To: GMC Mail List
> Cc: Ken Henderson
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I wonder if (air bags)
>
> Simple enough to measure the pressure, but how do you determine the
> EFFECTIVE area of the convoluted air bags? Seems to me the only fixed
> value is that of the rigid end caps -- is that truly where all the
> suspension force is concentrated???
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 3:07 PM Adolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>
>> Interesting way to get the weight in the bogies.
>>
>> I see a way to do it with a couple of sensors and an Arduino.
>>
>> The math isn’t complicated.
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:49 PM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

>>>
>>> I do not understand.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:51 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

>>>>
>>>> So, I received a call on these for our company truck.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.blueinktech.com/air_scale.php
>>>>
>>>> It’s $150 per sensor.
>>>>
>>>> The only other thing I have with airbags is a GMC Motorhome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dolph
>>>>
>>>> DE AD0LF
>>>>
>>>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>>>
>>>> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
>>>> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>>>
>>>> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>>>>
>>>> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
>>>> "--OO--[]---O-"
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Kanomata
>>> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
>>> jimk
>>> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
>>> 1-800-752-7502
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In that all I'm interested in id ride height, I don't concern myself with pressure or weight.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Mecanical leveling valve...same thing and much simpler.
--
Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
I pull into a spot for the night, push a button, and I’m perfectly level.

Much better.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”

|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"

>
> Mecanical leveling valve...same thing and much simpler.
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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