House electrical system not that complicated

jerry work

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When GM designed and built our coaches there was no thought given to running 120vac household appliances off the batteries as there were no cost effective devices for producing 120vac from 12vdc. They provided a shore power cord and a generator to do so. There also were no cost effective devices available to do multi stage charging of the house 12vdc lead acid batteries while at the same time supplying a steady 12vdc to run the lights and 12vdc stuff in the house part of the coach when plugged in to shore or gen power so they used what was available - a simple 120vac to 12vdc power supply which most now call a buzz box. It would bulk charge the house battery bank but if left in for very long would over charge those batteries.

Over the years many POs replaced the buzz box with a more modern multi-stage battery charger when they became available from people like Iota, Progressive Dynamics, etc. Those would not over charge the house battery bank but could also supply a steady 12vdc to the house when plugged in. When not plugged in, the 12vdc for the house came from the house battery bank. Still later, some POs also added devices that could produce 120vac from 12vdc so they could use household appliance when not plugged in.

GM finished coaches started out with a separate battery to start the Oman generator and the Oman had an on-board battery charger and voltage regulator to do so. Before long in the production cycle they switched to starting the Oman from the house battery bank making the Oman generator and regulator superfluous but they remained in place to the end. Some POs disconnected that regulator.

All through production GM sought to recharge both the chassis and house lead acid batteries via the engine driven alternator. To do so GM used a diode isolator. That worked well but did not allow shore power or generator power to recharge the chassis battery. Some POs replaced the diode isolator with a voltage controlled relay that would do so.

All of these devices have names that sound confusing at first:

Produce 12vdc from 120vac is called a converter/battery charger

Produce 120vac from 12vdc is called an inverter

Allow charging both chassis and house batteries from alternator or shore/gen power is called a combiner

Hope this makes it all a bit easier to understand.

Jerry

Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
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Jerry
You should also include the fact that many of the new converters have separate outputs to charge two or three battery banks separately at the same time. When I installed my Xantrex TruCharge several years back I ran a wire from the second out post on my converter to the front engine battery and I did not install a combiner. I did not use the third output but have thought that I could run it back to the toad battery to keep it charged when plugged in or running the Onan.
So when running the engine my isolator keeps both battery banks charged from the isolator and when plugged in my converter keeps both battery banks charged independently.

Emery Stora

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> When GM designed and built our coaches there was no thought given to running 120vac household appliances off the batteries as there were no cost
 
By the way, to give your GMC a heart lung transplant is not simply a matter of swapping battery technology. You have to address how to properly charge two different battery technologies that need very different charging parameters. And, you need to do so from all four ways you have of charging batteries - alternator, shore power, generator and (optionally) solar. Plus, you need to find a way to keep your stock alternator alive as it was never intended to run at maximum power output continuously for an hour or two! But, all this can be done.

Not every owner will want to or be able to it, but for those of you who want to transform living in your GMC for your family it may well become the best thing you ever did. Stay tuned......

Jerry Work
The Dovetail Joint
Fine furniture designed & hand crafted
in the 1907 former Masonic Temple building
in historic Kerby, OR
http://jerrywork.com