Hienz

Call the posse in. Just spoke with Hienz on the phone. He's held up in
Big Springs with a customer's computer crash.

Dern alternator still givin' him fits. Seems the pully's turning on the
shaft now even though the nuts are staying put.

Says he can't get digital coverage out here in the wilderness, so no email.
:-)

Just thought ya'll might want to know. He's still up on all 6.

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
The major advantage of the poly-vee design on the serpentine system is that
it will drive more torque...important if you're running a constant 50 to 85
amp load on your alternator. Also, they last longer and are much easier to
change when you do change 'em.

As to Heinz's problem...if worse comes to worse, he can solve it once and
for all with a keyway in the shaft and pulley. If it were me, I'd have a
woodruff key cut into the shaft and the pulley broached and be done with it.
The original alternator design had a wave washer and was designed to slip at
some point...doubt that they were designing for the electrical loads that
Heinz says he is supplying.

My original suggestion was loctite, but I gather he's still having trouble.
I kinda doubt it's running out of threads...you're just asking a lot of it
in this application.

Travis
- -----Original Message-----
From: heinz
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Hienz

> >Whats the advantage of the serpentine belt system? Will it make the
coach
> >function any better or more reliably? Belt system on the original GMC
works
> >fine lasts a long time. Can sure buy a lot of belts for the price of
the
> >serpentine system. If it works don't fix it.
> >
>
>Then one must wonder why V-belts are no longer used, or at least not as
widespread. In my (and only my) opinion, this is one of those areas where
"had serpentines existed in '73, they'd probably be on our coaches from day
one". I could be wrong, but don't think the existed or certainly were not
in widespread use.
>
>it's an example to upgrade an area of the coach to the 21st century :-)
>
>Now for the practical side... with V-belts I (again my very own I) had lots
of difficulty with the V-belt stretching and needing lots of readjusting and
if the readjusting didn't get done in time, one fried and hard V-belt... and
it was not fun changing and alternator belt.
>
>Granted, changing the old belts with the split shroud I now have would make
evven that easier.
>
>I'm certainly not out of the woods yet... but getting there.
>
>Just my 2 cents worth
>
>Heinz
>
> >
> >

> >>Arch, While I've got the front end off this coach, I was thinking of
going
> >>to the serp belt myself (assuming I got some positive feed-back on
it). Do
> >>you know of anyone who has the part numbers, specs, whatever for the
new
> >>sheaves, idlers, etc. to make the switch?
> >>Thanks
> >>Dick 75 PB in Atlanta
> >>PS: If I'm asking some of the dumber questions in here, I just sent
off my
> >>membership to GMC Int. and don't yet have access to their back issues
which
> >>may contain some of this info. Maybe I should just wait until I do to
save
> >>you kind folk some typing and valuable time. :-)
> >>

> >>>Richard
> >>>
> >>>I changed the one on my van at 78,000 when It could not take
> >>>both AC running at the same time. My son lost the one on his
> >>>pickup last week when a bearing froze up he had 95,000 on it.
> >>>Thats what I know.
> >>>
> >>>Take Care
> >>>Arch
> >>>
> >>>In a message dated 4/13/99 4:34:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

> >>>
> >>>> Gang, Boy, that serpentine belt sounds like more trouble than it
might be
> >>>> worth. Unless, of course, the dern thing lasts 2 or 3 X a
conventional
> >>>> belt. Anyone got any stats on that?
> >>>> Dick 75 PB (in more and more pieces on the garage floor) in
Atlanta
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Tom & Marg Warner
> >Vernon Center NY
> >1976 palmbeach
> >
> >
> >
>
>
 
Gang, Boy, that serpentine belt sounds like more trouble than it might be
worth. Unless, of course, the dern thing lasts 2 or 3 X a conventional
belt. Anyone got any stats on that?
Dick 75 PB (in more and more pieces on the garage floor) in Atlanta

>Call the posse in. Just spoke with Hienz on the phone. He's held up in
>Big Springs with a customer's computer crash.
>
>Dern alternator still givin' him fits. Seems the pully's turning on the
>shaft now even though the nuts are staying put.
>
>Says he can't get digital coverage out here in the wilderness, so no email.
> :-)
>
>Just thought ya'll might want to know. He's still up on all 6.
>
>bdub
>'76 Palm Beach
>In The Heart o Texas
>www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
>icq # 202333
>
 
I imagine it's just that the nut got loose, then (one thing leads to
another) either the pully got worn on the inside or the shaft got worn on
the outside, and now they don't mate up close enough for the nut to hold
them tight. It ain't the serpentine belt's fault, more likely the nut
behind the wheel. (I'm lookin in a mirror)

No offense, Hienz :-)

bdub

>Richard
>
>I changed the one on my van at 78,000 when It could not take
>both AC running at the same time. My son lost the one on his
>pickup last week when a bearing froze up he had 95,000 on it.
>Thats what I know.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
>In a message dated 4/13/99 4:34:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
>> Gang, Boy, that serpentine belt sounds like more trouble than it might be
>> worth. Unless, of course, the dern thing lasts 2 or 3 X a conventional
>> belt. Anyone got any stats on that?
>> Dick 75 PB (in more and more pieces on the garage floor) in Atlanta
>>
>
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
These excerpts from Paul Bartz I found in the archives from a year ago:

If you're looking for an alternative EFI system and a serpentine belt
system for the GMC, contact Leigh Harrison in Woodbridge VA,
703-494-9914.

Both gentlemen were/are a pleasure to speak with/deal with. Workmanship on
their products is excellent. I purchased the serpentine belt kit from Leigh
and am 'very' pleased with it. I run a 150amp alternator and it's always
been more difficult to keep belt tension just right.

Hope this helps

>Arch, While I've got the front end off this coach, I was thinking of going
>to the serp belt myself (assuming I got some positive feed-back on it). Do
>you know of anyone who has the part numbers, specs, whatever for the new
>sheaves, idlers, etc. to make the switch?
>Thanks
>Dick 75 PB in Atlanta
>PS: If I'm asking some of the dumber questions in here, I just sent off my
>membership to GMC Int. and don't yet have access to their back issues which
>may contain some of this info. Maybe I should just wait until I do to save
>you kind folk some typing and valuable time. :-)
>

>>Richard
>>
>>I changed the one on my van at 78,000 when It could not take
>>both AC running at the same time. My son lost the one on his
>>pickup last week when a bearing froze up he had 95,000 on it.
>>Thats what I know.
>>
>>Take Care
>>Arch
>>
>>In a message dated 4/13/99 4:34:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

>>
>>> Gang, Boy, that serpentine belt sounds like more trouble than it might be
>>> worth. Unless, of course, the dern thing lasts 2 or 3 X a conventional
>>> belt. Anyone got any stats on that?
>>> Dick 75 PB (in more and more pieces on the garage floor) in Atlanta
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
Arch, While I've got the front end off this coach, I was thinking of going
to the serp belt myself (assuming I got some positive feed-back on it). Do
you know of anyone who has the part numbers, specs, whatever for the new
sheaves, idlers, etc. to make the switch?
Thanks
Dick 75 PB in Atlanta
PS: If I'm asking some of the dumber questions in here, I just sent off my
membership to GMC Int. and don't yet have access to their back issues which
may contain some of this info. Maybe I should just wait until I do to save
you kind folk some typing and valuable time. :-)

>Richard
>
>I changed the one on my van at 78,000 when It could not take
>both AC running at the same time. My son lost the one on his
>pickup last week when a bearing froze up he had 95,000 on it.
>Thats what I know.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
>In a message dated 4/13/99 4:34:00 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
>> Gang, Boy, that serpentine belt sounds like more trouble than it might be
>> worth. Unless, of course, the dern thing lasts 2 or 3 X a conventional
>> belt. Anyone got any stats on that?
>> Dick 75 PB (in more and more pieces on the garage floor) in Atlanta
>>
>
>
 
>Whats the advantage of the serpentine belt system? Will it make the coach
>function any better or more reliably? Belt system on the original GMC works
>fine lasts a long time. Can sure buy a lot of belts for the price of the
>serpentine system. If it works don't fix it.
>

Other than the replacement issues and imporved ability to turn high amp
alternators, the serpintine system should return some horsepower for moving
your coach down the road VS turning the accessories. I've heard (but not
seen proven) a 15 horsepower return is possible. Maybe it's more, maybe
it's less.

Henry (who'll wait for Heinz to work the bugs out with serpintine and high
amp alternators)

Henry Davis Consulting, Inc / new product consulting
PO Box 1270 / product readiness reviews
Soquel, Ca 95073 / IP reviews
ph: (831) 462-5199 / full service marketing
fax: (831) 462-5198
http://www.henry-davis.com/ http://www.henry-davis.com
 
> >Whats the advantage of the serpentine belt system?
>Then one must wonder why V-belts are no longer used, ...

My understanding is that the serpentine belts are more efficient. They
dissipate less power so the newer vehicles get better mileage and have
lower emissions than older ones that use V-Belts.

I think reliability is about the same. Recommended change interval is about
80K for both.

Dave
73 Sequoia