Headliner redundant question

[jack ramsey]

I am researching headliners. (1975 Palm Beach)I have already cut both the insulated plastic 1/4in corrugated signboard, too flimsy, FRP which works
great on the lower interior siding where the dinette was, but FRP is thin (I got it to fit, but can tell I need to glue a headliner to it, and still
have nothing to screw to. (lights and accessories). Does anyone know what people are using in remodels that is reasonably waterproof (inside of these
puppies can sweat) and has sound-deadening properties? I am using reflectex and silver tape on the roof above it for insulation. I cannot seem to find
DURO-THERM LITE on the west coast.
Really looking for something I don't have to make in 3 layers. I would love to find 1/8in plywood with a thermal barrier, and then just add the
headliner, but I'm just dreaming (not really waterproof, but you get the idea)
--
Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach

 

[sgltrac]

You can use the frp for the headliner. It is heavy and will sag if you try
to run too long of a longitudinal run so keep that to a minimum. Use sheet
metal “U or J” nuts to hold the accessory screw to the frp. Hold the
fixture up and mark the frp(during your fit up of you fabricated ceiling
panel prior to installation of chosen headliner) and modify you r panel to
accept the J or U nut. Then once you have bonded your headliner material to
the frp, come back and clear the pretty stuff away from the mounting areas
to minimize the risk of the screw grabbing your headliner and twisting it
around the screw when you finish mount your accessories .

Sully
Bellevue wa

> I am researching headliners. (1975 Palm Beach)I have already cut both the
> insulated plastic 1/4in corrugated signboard, too flimsy, FRP which works
> great on the lower interior siding where the dinette was, but FRP is thin
> (I got it to fit, but can tell I need to glue a headliner to it, and still
> have nothing to screw to. (lights and accessories). Does anyone know what
> people are using in remodels that is reasonably waterproof (inside of these
> puppies can sweat) and has sound-deadening properties? I am using
> reflectex and silver tape on the roof above it for insulation. I cannot
> seem to find
> DURO-THERM LITE on the west coast.
> Really looking for something I don't have to make in 3 layers. I would
> love to find 1/8in plywood with a thermal barrier, and then just add the
> headliner, but I'm just dreaming (not really waterproof, but you get the
> idea)
> --
> Jack Ramsey
> Tulare, CA
> TZE165V101526
> 1975 Palm Beach
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[B52sRule]

3/16 abs plastic with a pebble finish. Somewhere in the photo site Arch
did a series on it. Easy to work with and literally bulletproof. I did
that about 10 years ago and never had a problem.

> I am researching headliners. (1975 Palm Beach)I have already cut both the
> insulated plastic 1/4in corrugated signboard, too flimsy, FRP which works
> great on the lower interior siding where the dinette was, but FRP is thin
> (I got it to fit, but can tell I need to glue a headliner to it, and still
> have nothing to screw to. (lights and accessories). Does anyone know what
> people are using in remodels that is reasonably waterproof (inside of these
> puppies can sweat) and has sound-deadening properties? I am using
> reflectex and silver tape on the roof above it for insulation. I cannot
> seem to find
> DURO-THERM LITE on the west coast.
> Really looking for something I don't have to make in 3 layers. I would
> love to find 1/8in plywood with a thermal barrier, and then just add the
> headliner, but I'm just dreaming (not really waterproof, but you get the
> idea)
> --
> Jack Ramsey
> Tulare, CA
> TZE165V101526
> 1975 Palm Beach
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*1978 GMC Kingsley*

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*Las Vegas, NV* new email: B52sRule

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[timthenomad]

I think I remember seeing a really nice one that Tom Hampton had done with Formica. Don't know if he put any backing on it, but I would think it
would be bullet proof and give you tons of color and pattern options.
--
Tim Taylor
Austin TX
Philadelphia PA
76 Birchaven (SB)
76 Triumph TR6

 

[boybach]

Mine is done with Home Depot 4x8 white pebbled FRP panels, model# MFCF12IXA480009600. Panels are 0.90" thick (roughly 3/16") -best cut with a
"nibbler" BTW.

Larry
--
Larry - Victoria BC -

1977 Palm Beach VIN TZE167V101295 - 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. New wiper blades, New SS exhaust system,
operational Onan genset, R134A A/C, New fuel lines

 

[tom geiger]

I did mine years ago in a bead board plywood. I think is was either 3/16” or 1/4” can’t remember. Depending on where you get it it can give a
rich wood grain finish and give a cabin feeling inside the coach. I poly’d the back and sides of the 4x8 sheet before I installed it. Really
finished out well. And if by chance you have water troubles around the ceiling fans and such, you just pull off the metal cap piece, unscrew the hat
rail and drop the panel. Get the new bead board sheet and use the old one for a template. Cut the new one put the piece back up and screw the seam
hardware back in. Anyhow, that’s what I did for ceiling.

TG
--
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO

 

[lawrence belland]

Post a picture!

> I did mine years ago in a bead board plywood. I think is was either 3/16”
> or 1/4” can’t remember. Depending on where you get it it can give a
> rich wood grain finish and give a cabin feeling inside the coach. I
> poly’d the back and sides of the 4x8 sheet before I installed it. Really
> finished out well. And if by chance you have water troubles around the
> ceiling fans and such, you just pull off the metal cap piece, unscrew the
> hat
> rail and drop the panel. Get the new bead board sheet and use the old one
> for a template. Cut the new one put the piece back up and screw the seam
> hardware back in. Anyhow, that’s what I did for ceiling.
>
> TG
> --
> Tom Geiger
> 76 Eleganza II
> KCMO
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[tom geiger]

Thought I had some on my phone but must have cleaned them off. I’m going out to storage tomorrow, I’ll take some in the morning.

TG
--
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO

 

[jack ramsey]

This really sounds like a nice-looking solution and doesn't require a lot of glue. Plus I can cut the smaller curved pieces around the windows with a
router. Thanks!!
I just keep thinking the headliner or soft surface would cut down on the noise level.
--
Jack Ramsey
Tulare, CA
TZE165V101526
1975 Palm Beach

 

[tom geiger]

With this harder surface it very well could reflect noise more. Above the paneling in between the aluminum framing members is styrofoam sheet
insulation which does dampen sound from the outside of the coach when it’s parked camping. I can’t say how different it would have been noise
wise while driving.
I’ve yet gotten over to get interior pictures because of memorial weekend activities, but will post some soon.

TG
--
Tom Geiger
76 Eleganza II
KCMO

 

[sgltrac]

Prior to redoing the interior of The War Pig I consulted many different
specialists from sound damping to custom yacht interior builders and there
was a common thread when the topic of noise and acoustics was discussed.
The yacht interiors source said that the fewer hard surfaces throughout the
interior of the coach the better the acoustics and noise level will be.
Softer materials like carpet/cushions with fabric/ cellular blinds will
greatly reduce the amount of noise which bounces around the interior. Since
the gmc has so much glass it is already prone to reflected noises coming
from the engine and the road. Removing the carpet and installing click type
vinyl flooring or wood flooring will increase cabin noise. Installing abs
or frp headliners will likely increase the cabin noise as well.

The OG generator compartment in The Pig was galvanized steel wrapped in
thin plywood housing the original Onan 6k generator. I built an all wood
box lined with a fire resistant foam sound deadening material which greatly
reduced the amount of noise inside the coach when the generator was
operating

In my second coach I had a two piece removable carpet with a high density
foam pad glued to the back side. The two pieces made it easy to remove the
carpet for dirt bike trips and for winter storage. The coach was noticeably
quieter underway with the carpet installed then when removed. The headliner
in my second coach was finished with a boat hull carpet prior to my
ownership so I don’t have before after seat of the pants data on that.

Sully
Bellevue wa

> With this harder surface it very well could reflect noise more. Above the
> paneling in between the aluminum framing members is styrofoam sheet
> insulation which does dampen sound from the outside of the coach when it’s
> parked camping. I can’t say how different it would have been noise
> wise while driving.
> I’ve yet gotten over to get interior pictures because of memorial weekend
> activities, but will post some soon.
>
> TG
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> Tom Geiger
> 76 Eleganza II
> KCMO
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[Ken H.]

23 years ago I put up masonite tileboard and glued indoor-outdoor carpet
over that in our X-Birchaven; it still looks good and is perfectly sound.
The carpet was intended to dampen acoustic reverberations.

About 10 years ago, I put up FRP panels in the X-Palm Beach my son
now has. That hard surface didn't seem to me, during the relatively short
trips I took in the coach, to make the interior noticeably noisier. It
still looks like it did the day I installed it. It was a LOT easier
to install than the 2-step approach, which required the use of a "dead-man"
beam the length of the passenger compartment to support the carpet as
it was glued, little by little, into place on the ceiling.

JWID,

Ken H.

> With this harder surface it very well could reflect noise more. Above the
> paneling in between the aluminum framing members is styrofoam sheet
> insulation which does dampen sound from the outside of the coach when it’s
> parked camping. I can’t say how different it would have been noise
> wise while driving.
> I’ve yet gotten over to get interior pictures because of memorial weekend
> activities, but will post some soon.
>
> TG
> --
> Tom Geiger
> 76 Eleganza II
> KCMO
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