Have you run an extra evaporator?

Matt Colie

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Bob Dunahugh called and asked about running a second evaporator. Well, do know a lot about refrigeration, but I have never had anything to do this.
If you can contact him and guide him, he would appreciate that.

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Please post what/how you did the second evaporator for all of us. I'd be interested in how it is done.

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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
As far as I know. You just T it into the existing Lines. The aux evaporator will have it's own expansion valve.

Jim K I know will instruct as his vintage air kit is just that. a couple T fittings.

you do have to have somewhat of a balance, to what the compressor and the evaporators can do. The old a-6 compressor can handle most sizes, but if
you put two larger Aux evaporators off a sandeen, you will have some issues.

been getting a crash course in aux evaporators this past year.... it should be simple, but it is not as simple in some cases. I currently believe
I have too small of an aux evaporator, and I did not tie it to the OEM. so I will be swapping out the 13700 btu evaporator and install one 2x that
BTU rating for next summer. I was not paying enough attention to the BTU ratings of some of the units last year, and how the vary.
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Jon Roche
75 palm beach
EBL EFI, manny headers, Micro Level, rebuilt most of coach now.
St. Cloud, MN
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I posted it about 13 years ago to the GMCphotos site.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

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> Please post what/how you did the second evaporator for all of us. I'd be interested in how it is done.
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> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Emery,

I suspect your young assistant might have grown a bit since then!

Larry Davick
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
Cough-cough!

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> I posted it about 13 years ago to the GMCphotos site.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html
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> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>

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>> Please post what/how you did the second evaporator for all of us. I'd be interested in how it is done.
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>> Larry
>> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
>> Menomonie, WI.
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Yes, my grandson is 6’2" and a senior in college now.

Emery Stora

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> Emery,
>
> I suspect your young assistant might have grown a bit since then!
>
> Larry Davick
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Fremont, Ca
> Cough-cough!
>

>>
>> I posted it about 13 years ago to the GMCphotos site.
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3356-aux-air-conditioner-evaporator.html
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>

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>>> Please post what/how you did the second evaporator for all of us. I'd be interested in how it is done.
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>>> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
>>> Menomonie, WI.
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Several years ago I added a second evaporator mounted under the co-pilot seat. (Credit to the late Jim Anstette for the idea.)

I put a cookie sheet (baking pan?) on the floor to catch the condensed moisture and lead it down through a tube in the floor. I bought (years ago) a
rear A/C - heater unit from an ambulance on e-bay for parts. This unit is a bit bulky which made connecting the lines in the limited space a bit
tedious. The dual squirrel-cage blowers are mounted on the back of the seat pedestal, tucked neatly between the pedestal and the dinette seat back.
(My dinette is raised ~5" giving a little more room.) A couple of computer fan grilles keep fingers and debris out of the fans as they blow into the
seat pedestal. Air travels forward through the evaporator which is located just ahead of the seat pivot post. The space forward of that (about 8" or
so) serves as a plenum chamber (and a place to lay a few beverage cans for quick cooling). Cold air discharges through a couple of vents on the front
left side of the pedestal, which can be aimed towards the driver or back towards the couch. A couple pieces of old vacuum cleaner hose (!) exit the
front right corner of the pedestal, curve upward where they enter the armrest and discharge through another adjustable dash-type grille. If one needs
a LOT of cool air (and the co-pilot is wearing insulated boots) we can just open the pedestal storage door and dump a huge blast of cold air. A fan
switch is also mounted on the co-pilot's armrest.

The refrigerant lines were easier than expected. A couple of tee fittings near the receiver-dryer feed a pair of hoses running rearward outboard of
the A/C compressor, then up through the floor to connect to the evaporator. Of course the compressor is still controlled by the original dash air
thermoswitch, so the dash air must be on for things to work. It works about as well (or poorly) as it ever did. No special refrigerant valves or
controls were needed. Dura-Cool (thanks Emery!) does the work. The GMC's A6 compressor is about the most powerful ever made for a passenger car
(45,000 btu/hr), so it has no trouble pumping the refrigerant. I figure it's about as powerful as my home's central A/C system.

Does it work? Does it ever! Puts out at least as much air at a MUCH lower temperature than the original dash air. We are COOL! Best modification I
ever did.

HTH,
Rick Staples
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Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO

"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
 
> As far as I know. You just T it into the existing Lines. The aux evaporator will have it's own expansion valve.
>
> Jim K I know will instruct as his vintage air kit is just that. a couple T fittings.

We have one of JimK's installations, with the original S6. We have a '74, so the dash air is not great. Works fine. Sometimes just the fan stirs the
air enough to make Ruth happy. On AC mode you can adjust either the dash or the auxiliary unit and the compressor engages. If it is getting too cold
sometimes I run the dash fan on slow to keep the compressor from coming on too often.
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'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
 
What did those two evaporators come from? Aftermarket?

Hal
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1977 Royale 101348,

1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,

1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,

Rio Rancho, NM
 
Yes these are aftermarket evaporators, I had to go back and add drip pans due to the orientation (vertical) I also installed solenoid valves for each
one. I think o got most of the parts from old air products.
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Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.

Colonial Travelers
 
Sean, why the solenoids? GM never used them on OEM vehicles with rear air, they just let the expansion valves handle it.

--johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Sean,
Impressive system! What I want to know is does the original dash air still work? ie: Do you have THREE evaporators in your system? I always
wondered if that's possible.

Rick Staples

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Rick Staples, '75 Eleganza, Johnstown, CO

"Advice is a dangerous gift, even from the Wise to the Wise, and all paths may run ill." -Tolkien
 
Yes I have all three working, I installed the solenoids so I didn’t HAVE to run all 3 if the compressor was running. Sitting behind that huge
windshield is rough when it’s sunny, I would love to have it coated to block UV/IR, but the 3 evaporators make it tolerable. My coach is a ‘73 so
it had the worst dash air.
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Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.

Colonial Travelers
 
I'm missing something here. My Suburban had only expansion valves on both evaporators, and they only ran when the fan(s) were running. GM saves a
nickle every chance they get.

--johnny

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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
It’s my impression, that on a warm system, the txv will operate, until the sensing element reached temperature then, txv would close, if the fan was
off, evaporator would still get cold, bleeding off some energy. The solenoid is normally closed (NC) therefore no loss to the system until cooling
was selected ( opening the solenoid and allowing the txv to operate). I can still run the fans in “vent” mode just circulating air If I want
(these are cooling only with no hot water coil)

Sean
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Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.

Colonial Travelers
 
The suburban rear was recirculate so vent mode wasn't there. If you use it as a vent only, the valve would be a necessity.

--johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell