Rick you don't need an asbestos suit, However when you said "Terry,Well
said." you implied that you agreed with what he had said. If you had
qualifications over and above what you noted you should have stated them
otherwise you tarred yourself with the same brush.
This should be a forum for SHARING GOOD, SOUND, SAFE, TECHNICAL ADVICE. If
someone states and opionion or position that may harm, injure or waste
someones money, than I believe we have an obligation to offer another side
to it so that perception can be corrected. If that is not the purpose of
this net, than I stand corrected.
Many times we buy name brand products thinking that we are getting the best
products and never know that we are not getting what we paid for. Maybe you
have the technical expertise to tell the difference from one camshaft to the
next but how many other netters do?
Joe Mondello has talked to me several times at length about the Olds 455
engine and the GMC motorhome in particular with never a mention of monetary
gain. On the contrary after our first discussion he sent me free
autographed technical manuals, articles that he has written on the 455
engine etc, containing information that I would never had access to without
a lot of trial and error mistakes. So I guess I don't understand your
position about him gaining. For the quality of his products I do not think
his prices are out of line in the least. Remember he has an extensive
technical advice section that in the end could save us a lot of money. Why
would we want to bash him?
Relative to my remarks about the camshafts of some grinders. He did mention
that he tested many other manufacturers cams and many of the most visible
manufacturers actual published duration figures did not correlate to the
actual measured duration figures of the intake and exhaust lobes. He never
mentioned who they were since it really is not important. Every business
worth its salt quality checks the competition.
As for the credentials they don't mean much in todays world. Performance is
what counts. I have seen lots of master mechanics hang a brake caliper from
the brake hose when replacing disks. I am a retired professional engineer,
so what. Does not get me anything when I am greasy and filthy working on my
GMC trying to remove a wheel bearing and grease seal(wrong one) that someone
else had installed. Wonder as I pull a muscle in my shoulder crawling
around on the floor what credentials that mechanic had.
Its easy to say chill out. The point is that aspersions were cast on Joe
Mondellos business and the products he sells, that I strongly feel were
totally uncalled for. We need to support those business's that are keeping
the parts for the GMC motorhome alive. If we don't the coaches will end up
in the junk yard.
While you might not like the term "sucker" that is what we all are when we
allow businesses to take advantage of us and sell us substandard products or
services or charge us ridiculous prices.
Like it or not I am still "fat dumb and happy" when driving my GMC
motorhome. That is the way I described myself, and last I knew I still have
a right to do that.
peace
>
>> ...........And I suppose you believe that anyone
>> can go to the library and get a book, buy some craftsman wrenches and
>become
>> a first class mechanic. Yuh! right.
>>
>> And now $28 is to much to pay for 40 years of Joe Mondellos oldsmobile 455
>> engine tricks. And now you say you want to consult it and give it
>> consideration???? What credentials do you have to question his expertise?
>> Joe Mondello, to the best of my recollection is not bad mouthing (your
>> words) anyone........
>
>Sigh,
> And I went and left my asbestos suit in another news group! Ouch! For
>the record, it was not I who suggested ANY of Mondello's writings came from
>the library. Nor did I suggest in any way that his books were overpriced,
>only that, unlike this mailinglist, his advice was not free. I prefaced my
>remarks with these words: " I have great respect for Joe Mondello, for the
>years of research and effort he has put into the Olds engine, ...". If all
>this was somehow unclear, the fault is mine.
>
> One mistake I DID make was to take the words of another member: "when
>someone says that everyone else's cams are 6 degrees off when you know it is
>easy to compensate for is not exactly Kosher.", without backchecking the
>thread. I believe it was you who posted a message on 5/20: " ...he said.
>Many of the aftermarket camshafts are not all that accurate in valve timing
>and that is why he sells one now for the GMC motorhome." It was someone else
>who added the "4 to 6 degrees.." figures. My apologies for compounding that
>error. Even so, my post stated " IF he indeed is bad-mouthing the
>competition in general,.." (emphasis added). I seldom make an unqualified
>statement.
>
> As for my credentials, if you must know, I am an ASE certified Master Auto
>Technician of some 20 years standing, an ASE Master Truck Technician, ASE
>certified Engine Assembly Specialist, Certified Parts Professional, Certified
>Truck Parts Professional (latter two lapsed), and made my living as a Parts
>Manager, Service Manager, shop owner, and mechanic, from about 1961 to 1996.
>If credentials mean a lot to you, there they are.
>
> For me, credentials only open the door. I don't expect anyone to accept
>my word on any subject without thinking about it and questioning it. The
>same goes for any other expert. I make mistakes, so do they.
>
> In the end, however, I would really like to see us all "chill out" a
>little. We all have something to contribute herein, and I look forward to
>reading it, all of it. When we use words like " fat dumb and happy ", or
>"suckers out there that believe it and buy it..", and accuse one another of
>malice when we disagree, I fear we block our own messages from the eyes of
>the group.
> My .02.
>
>Rick Staples
>'75 Eleganza
>Louisville, CO
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
"The beautiful Mohawk Vally"
said." you implied that you agreed with what he had said. If you had
qualifications over and above what you noted you should have stated them
otherwise you tarred yourself with the same brush.
This should be a forum for SHARING GOOD, SOUND, SAFE, TECHNICAL ADVICE. If
someone states and opionion or position that may harm, injure or waste
someones money, than I believe we have an obligation to offer another side
to it so that perception can be corrected. If that is not the purpose of
this net, than I stand corrected.
Many times we buy name brand products thinking that we are getting the best
products and never know that we are not getting what we paid for. Maybe you
have the technical expertise to tell the difference from one camshaft to the
next but how many other netters do?
Joe Mondello has talked to me several times at length about the Olds 455
engine and the GMC motorhome in particular with never a mention of monetary
gain. On the contrary after our first discussion he sent me free
autographed technical manuals, articles that he has written on the 455
engine etc, containing information that I would never had access to without
a lot of trial and error mistakes. So I guess I don't understand your
position about him gaining. For the quality of his products I do not think
his prices are out of line in the least. Remember he has an extensive
technical advice section that in the end could save us a lot of money. Why
would we want to bash him?
Relative to my remarks about the camshafts of some grinders. He did mention
that he tested many other manufacturers cams and many of the most visible
manufacturers actual published duration figures did not correlate to the
actual measured duration figures of the intake and exhaust lobes. He never
mentioned who they were since it really is not important. Every business
worth its salt quality checks the competition.
As for the credentials they don't mean much in todays world. Performance is
what counts. I have seen lots of master mechanics hang a brake caliper from
the brake hose when replacing disks. I am a retired professional engineer,
so what. Does not get me anything when I am greasy and filthy working on my
GMC trying to remove a wheel bearing and grease seal(wrong one) that someone
else had installed. Wonder as I pull a muscle in my shoulder crawling
around on the floor what credentials that mechanic had.
Its easy to say chill out. The point is that aspersions were cast on Joe
Mondellos business and the products he sells, that I strongly feel were
totally uncalled for. We need to support those business's that are keeping
the parts for the GMC motorhome alive. If we don't the coaches will end up
in the junk yard.
While you might not like the term "sucker" that is what we all are when we
allow businesses to take advantage of us and sell us substandard products or
services or charge us ridiculous prices.
Like it or not I am still "fat dumb and happy" when driving my GMC
motorhome. That is the way I described myself, and last I knew I still have
a right to do that.
peace
>
>> ...........And I suppose you believe that anyone
>> can go to the library and get a book, buy some craftsman wrenches and
>become
>> a first class mechanic. Yuh! right.
>>
>> And now $28 is to much to pay for 40 years of Joe Mondellos oldsmobile 455
>> engine tricks. And now you say you want to consult it and give it
>> consideration???? What credentials do you have to question his expertise?
>> Joe Mondello, to the best of my recollection is not bad mouthing (your
>> words) anyone........
>
>Sigh,
> And I went and left my asbestos suit in another news group! Ouch! For
>the record, it was not I who suggested ANY of Mondello's writings came from
>the library. Nor did I suggest in any way that his books were overpriced,
>only that, unlike this mailinglist, his advice was not free. I prefaced my
>remarks with these words: " I have great respect for Joe Mondello, for the
>years of research and effort he has put into the Olds engine, ...". If all
>this was somehow unclear, the fault is mine.
>
> One mistake I DID make was to take the words of another member: "when
>someone says that everyone else's cams are 6 degrees off when you know it is
>easy to compensate for is not exactly Kosher.", without backchecking the
>thread. I believe it was you who posted a message on 5/20: " ...he said.
>Many of the aftermarket camshafts are not all that accurate in valve timing
>and that is why he sells one now for the GMC motorhome." It was someone else
>who added the "4 to 6 degrees.." figures. My apologies for compounding that
>error. Even so, my post stated " IF he indeed is bad-mouthing the
>competition in general,.." (emphasis added). I seldom make an unqualified
>statement.
>
> As for my credentials, if you must know, I am an ASE certified Master Auto
>Technician of some 20 years standing, an ASE Master Truck Technician, ASE
>certified Engine Assembly Specialist, Certified Parts Professional, Certified
>Truck Parts Professional (latter two lapsed), and made my living as a Parts
>Manager, Service Manager, shop owner, and mechanic, from about 1961 to 1996.
>If credentials mean a lot to you, there they are.
>
> For me, credentials only open the door. I don't expect anyone to accept
>my word on any subject without thinking about it and questioning it. The
>same goes for any other expert. I make mistakes, so do they.
>
> In the end, however, I would really like to see us all "chill out" a
>little. We all have something to contribute herein, and I look forward to
>reading it, all of it. When we use words like " fat dumb and happy ", or
>"suckers out there that believe it and buy it..", and accuse one another of
>malice when we disagree, I fear we block our own messages from the eyes of
>the group.
> My .02.
>
>Rick Staples
>'75 Eleganza
>Louisville, CO
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
"The beautiful Mohawk Vally"
