GMCnet archive - missing posts on Google Groups

[RF_Burns]

Richard,
Strange things going on indeed. I went over to the archive and found one post under my name that was actually posted by Bruce Hart.

Then when I went to submit this post, it never appeared on the Forum (which is what I use). So I had to retype it.
--
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that

 

[bdub]

Richard RV added to the GMCnet email list

On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:13 PM Bruce Hislop via Gmclist <

> Richard,
> Strange things going on indeed. I went over to the archive and found one
> post under my name that was actually posted by Bruce Hart.
>
> Then when I went to submit this post, it never appeared on the Forum
> (which is what I use). So I had to retype it.
>

 

[bdub1]

The Google Groups Archive is populated by the Original GMCnet which is the email list, gmclist If you are not a member of that list,
then your posts here on the GMCforum will not be included on the email list or in the archive.

This, I think, at one time was automated. It quit working some time ago and I don't know how to fix it.

I have added you to the GMCnet Email List which is all I can do at this point.

bdubb

> I'm a GMCnet forum adherent - just works better for me. Recently the GMCnet (my.birdfeeder.net) link was redirecting me - spam hijacked!
>
> So I went to the GMCnet Archive on Google Groups for my daily fix.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/gmcnet-archive
>
> There were recent threads I posted replies to but my posts don't show up in a search of the GMCnet Archive. I was surprised to learn that I
> apparently don't exist - I'd had my doubts, but this seems conclusive!
>
> People responded to and quoted my replies, but my posts aren't there. Very odd. I searched for other people from recent posts and found a few of
> them were also absent from the Archive. Some had only very old posts and not the newer stuff.
>
> I was under the impression that the Archive was a complete history of the GMCnet and GMC Mailing List. If it is not it is troubling. What are we
> losing/missing?
>
> I do not know if this is a mailing list or forum issue or both. This is a GMC Community resource so I'm asking the community to take a couple of
> minutes to search for their own posts on the Archive and report back if there are omissions.
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
> PS I was surprised to see there was no mention of the hijacked GMCnet web site. It was down for a day - initially a spam redirect then "down for
> maintenance".

--
bdub
www.bdub.net

 

[Richard RV]

Billy,

Thanks for explaining why things are not showing up. Does this mean that as far as the Archive is concerned those posts are gone forever?

It's unsettling to think that the Archive is missing all of the posts from people that don't know of or use the email list.

Billy's got enough on his plate - does anyone out there know how to fix this and get it automated again?

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

 

[Richard RV]

> Richard,
> Strange things going on indeed. I went over to the archive and found one post under my name that was actually posted by Bruce Hart.
>
> Then when I went to submit this post, it never appeared on the Forum (which is what I use). So I had to retype it.

{Queue John Cleese's voice}
Fourth Bruce: Michael Baldwin, Bruce. Michael Baldwin, Bruce. Michael Baldwin, Bruce.
First Bruce: Is your name not Bruce?
Michael: No, it's Michael.
Second Bruce: That's going to cause a little confusion.
Third Bruce: Mind if we call you 'Bruce' to keep it clear?

:lol:

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

 

[Ken B]

RICHARD,

Billy fixed it for you from this point forward. Anything in the past is history and lost. You are not the only one this has happened to and Billy is
fixing the problems with individual users as they pop up.

Ken B.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[batman]

Just a few notes about the Google Groups GMCnet Archive, the GMCforum and the GMCnet mailing list.

Way back when (September 7th, 2007), Google Groups supported an interface to traditional mailing lists like the GMCnet. So, I setup that GMCnet
Archive group and subscribed it to the mailing list so that we would have an on-line copy of the mailing list traffic. It's read-only, cuz there was
not a way to make it by-directional with the Forum or the mailing list. Plus, the forum and mailing list integration has short comings and confusion
to start with.

The Google Groups archive has a few benefits. It's free, it has much better search capability than the GMCforum, it doesn't require anyone to manage a
server.

It has a few downsides. Since the GMCnet mailing list and GMCforum are a loosely connected set of tools attempting to mirror each other, if a Forum
user is not registered on the mailing list, then that users posts will not show up in the mailing, or the Google Group archive... and there is no way
to get them into the archive once a message was missed.

As Billy mentioned earlier, there used to be an automatic mailing list enrollment of a new Forum user. But somewhere along the line that stopped
working.

Now a little post script. Like many things that Google brings to life, the mailing list integration and Google Groups is no longer supported. For now
it still works as they have not completely turned off that feature, but no telling when it will one day stop. And there is no way to make any changes
to the Google Groups integration as those admin features have been removed.

All this trying to keep the mailing list uses and web users connected.
--
eugene
benbrook, tx
77 Eleganza II, Howell EFI + EBL
http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com

 

[Ken H.]

Eugene,

Thanks for your input. And I'm sure everyone will share my THANKS for all
your efforts over the years in support of us. The disconnect between your
Forum and the mailing list is unfortunate; I've "suffered" with unknown
original postings for a while now. I don't spend enough time on your Forum
to know whether there's already a notification for new users to also join
the GMCNet, but if not, I really think there should be -- MIGHT help.

Ken H.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:19 AM eugene via Gmclist
wrote:

> Just a few notes about the Google Groups GMCnet Archive, the GMCforum and
> the GMCnet mailing list.
>
> Way back when (September 7th, 2007), Google Groups supported an interface
> to traditional mailing lists like the GMCnet. So, I setup that GMCnet
> Archive group and subscribed it to the mailing list so that we would have
> an on-line copy of the mailing list traffic. It's read-only, cuz there was
> not a way to make it by-directional with the Forum or the mailing list.
> Plus, the forum and mailing list integration has short comings and confusion
> to start with.
>
> The Google Groups archive has a few benefits. It's free, it has much
> better search capability than the GMCforum, it doesn't require anyone to
> manage a
> server.
>
> It has a few downsides. Since the GMCnet mailing list and GMCforum are a
> loosely connected set of tools attempting to mirror each other, if a Forum
> user is not registered on the mailing list, then that users posts will not
> show up in the mailing, or the Google Group archive... and there is no way
> to get them into the archive once a message was missed.
>
> As Billy mentioned earlier, there used to be an automatic mailing list
> enrollment of a new Forum user. But somewhere along the line that stopped
> working.
>
> Now a little post script. Like many things that Google brings to life, the
> mailing list integration and Google Groups is no longer supported. For now
> it still works as they have not completely turned off that feature, but no
> telling when it will one day stop. And there is no way to make any changes
> to the Google Groups integration as those admin features have been removed.
>
> All this trying to keep the mailing list uses and web users connected.
> --
> eugene
> benbrook, tx
> 77 Eleganza II, Howell EFI + EBL
> http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>

 

[burt and faye curtis]

Eugene,

How can i get on both. Like others, my posts show on the forum but not here
( GMCnet mailing list ) until someone responds to them. This is a bit
disconcerting when seeking answers as I primarily use the email feature for
viewing and responding.
Thanks,

Fay Curtis
'76 Glenbrook
Kneeland, CA

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:19 AM eugene via Gmclist
wrote:

> Just a few notes about the Google Groups GMCnet Archive, the GMCforum and
> the GMCnet mailing list.
>
> Way back when (September 7th, 2007), Google Groups supported an interface
> to traditional mailing lists like the GMCnet. So, I setup that GMCnet
> Archive group and subscribed it to the mailing list so that we would have
> an on-line copy of the mailing list traffic. It's read-only, cuz there was
> not a way to make it by-directional with the Forum or the mailing list.
> Plus, the forum and mailing list integration has short comings and confusion
> to start with.
>
> The Google Groups archive has a few benefits. It's free, it has much
> better search capability than the GMCforum, it doesn't require anyone to
> manage a
> server.
>
> It has a few downsides. Since the GMCnet mailing list and GMCforum are a
> loosely connected set of tools attempting to mirror each other, if a Forum
> user is not registered on the mailing list, then that users posts will not
> show up in the mailing, or the Google Group archive... and there is no way
> to get them into the archive once a message was missed.
>
> As Billy mentioned earlier, there used to be an automatic mailing list
> enrollment of a new Forum user. But somewhere along the line that stopped
> working.
>
> Now a little post script. Like many things that Google brings to life, the
> mailing list integration and Google Groups is no longer supported. For now
> it still works as they have not completely turned off that feature, but no
> telling when it will one day stop. And there is no way to make any changes
> to the Google Groups integration as those admin features have been removed.
>
> All this trying to keep the mailing list uses and web users connected.
> --
> eugene
> benbrook, tx
> 77 Eleganza II, Howell EFI + EBL
> http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>

 

[bdub1]

Faye, you already are on both.

bdub

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Burt and
Faye curtis via Gmclist
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:16 PM
To: gmclist
Cc: Burt and Faye curtis
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet archive - missing posts on Google Groups

Eugene,

How can i get on both. Like others, my posts show on the forum but not here
( GMCnet mailing list ) until someone responds to them. This is a bit
disconcerting when seeking answers as I primarily use the email feature for
viewing and responding.
Thanks,

Fay Curtis
'76 Glenbrook
Kneeland, CA

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:19 AM eugene via Gmclist
wrote:

> Just a few notes about the Google Groups GMCnet Archive, the GMCforum and
> the GMCnet mailing list.
>
> Way back when (September 7th, 2007), Google Groups supported an interface
> to traditional mailing lists like the GMCnet. So, I setup that GMCnet
> Archive group and subscribed it to the mailing list so that we would have
> an on-line copy of the mailing list traffic. It's read-only, cuz there was
> not a way to make it by-directional with the Forum or the mailing list.
> Plus, the forum and mailing list integration has short comings and
confusion
> to start with.
>
> The Google Groups archive has a few benefits. It's free, it has much
> better search capability than the GMCforum, it doesn't require anyone to
> manage a
> server.
>
> It has a few downsides. Since the GMCnet mailing list and GMCforum are a
> loosely connected set of tools attempting to mirror each other, if a Forum
> user is not registered on the mailing list, then that users posts will not
> show up in the mailing, or the Google Group archive... and there is no way
> to get them into the archive once a message was missed.
>
> As Billy mentioned earlier, there used to be an automatic mailing list
> enrollment of a new Forum user. But somewhere along the line that stopped
> working.
>
> Now a little post script. Like many things that Google brings to life, the
> mailing list integration and Google Groups is no longer supported. For
now
> it still works as they have not completely turned off that feature, but no
> telling when it will one day stop. And there is no way to make any changes
> to the Google Groups integration as those admin features have been
removed.
>
> All this trying to keep the mailing list uses and web users connected.
> --
> eugene
> benbrook, tx
> 77 Eleganza II, Howell EFI + EBL
> http://gmc.backyardwildlife.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>
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[jerry burt]

Ahhh... so that's why I was getting those emails to join the email group. Unfortunately it didn't explain what was going on and I didn't feel I needed
to join both.
--
Patti & Jerry Burt Fresno, CA.
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands
77 Palm Beach - Parts Coach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
A truly happy person is one who can enjoy the scenery on a detour.

 

[Ken B]

Billy, She has 2 id's and there may be some confusion there between the two registrations. The other is Curtisunlimited.

Ken B.

> Faye, you already are on both.
>
> bdub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Burt and
> Faye curtis via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:16 PM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Burt and Faye curtis
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet archive - missing posts on Google Groups
>
> Eugene,
>
> How can i get on both. Like others, my posts show on the forum but not here
> ( GMCnet mailing list ) until someone responds to them. This is a bit
> disconcerting when seeking answers as I primarily use the email feature for
> viewing and responding.
> Thanks,
>
> Fay Curtis
> '76 Glenbrook
> Kneeland, CA

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[Ken B]

Also on the email side I believe you are not suppose to see your own emails sent back to your inbox. Am I wrong?


The other is Curtisunlimited.

Ken B.

> Faye, you already are on both.
>
> bdub

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[bdub1]

It's ok, Ken. Both are subscribed to both. The aol address is "nomail".

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Ken
Burton via Gmclist
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:14 PM
To: gmclist
Cc: Ken Burton
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet archive - missing posts on Google Groups

Billy, She has 2 id's and there may be some confusion there between the two
registrations. The other is Curtisunlimited.

Ken B.

> Faye, you already are on both.
>
> bdub
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Burt
and
> Faye curtis via Gmclist
> Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:16 PM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Burt and Faye curtis
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet archive - missing posts on Google Groups
>
> Eugene,
>
> How can i get on both. Like others, my posts show on the forum but not
here
> ( GMCnet mailing list ) until someone responds to them. This is a bit
> disconcerting when seeking answers as I primarily use the email feature
for
> viewing and responding.
> Thanks,
>
> Fay Curtis
> '76 Glenbrook
> Kneeland, CA

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

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[bdub1]

I believe that's right, Ken.

your inbox. Am I wrong?

--
bdub
www.bdub.net

 

[emerystora]

Ken
It depends on how you have your mail set up. I get a bcc of every email I send back to my in box.

Emery Stora

>
> Also on the email side I believe you are not suppose to see your own emails sent back to your inbox. Am I wrong?
>

> The other is Curtisunlimited.
>
> Ken B.
>

>> Faye, you already are on both.
>>
>> bdub
>
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org

 

[Richard RV]

Eugene,

Thank you for the explanation. I really wish that this was made clear that people need to be on both the forum and mailing list or people on both
sides (and everyone in the middle!) loses.

I initially signed up for the mailing list when I bought my Birchaven. The group was a lot more active in 2012 and the flood of individual emails was
overwhelming, so I think I switched to the digest, and then since I preferred the forum through my browser, I must have unsubscribed. I had no idea I
would pay a price for doing so. Otherwise I wouldn't have unsubscribed and I would have just deleted the digest emails upon arrival.

Adding a new "Sticky" at the top of the Forum pages with
IMPORTANT FORUM & EMAIL LIST INFO
Read This Before Signing Up!
would be a good start, explaining the situation and need to be on both forum and email list so nothing is missed, with a similar email notice for the
email list.

I know the situation is more of a PITA for you, Eugene. Thanks for keeping things running.

Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte

 

[Ken B]

> It's ok, Ken. Both are subscribed to both. The aol address is "nomail".

Well, It was just a guess on my part.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana