GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out

[Matt Colie]

> BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48 United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have
> all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV parks near there:
>
> http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620
>
> Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
> drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than ONE
> star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what with all that nice flat land around there.
>
> An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely
> resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move
> closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.
>
> I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!
>
> Ken H.

Ken,

It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is even
a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have a varied opinion here.

But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews) in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far
if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2
miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to
arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.

Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this
calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.

What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of
North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any hook-ups and only satellite internet there.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

 

[steve southworth]

> Traveling long distances in the MH is not as expensive as one would think. We have found that, when on the road, our monthly expenses are cut
> roughly by 1/3 to 1/2. Why?? You don't buy extras on the road because there is no place to store them and you'd have to carry them with you for the
> next 3 months. Because you are away from home, you are not spending money on that home remodel project or other such things. Cost of utilities drops
> way down. etc. etc. you get my drift? It is actually cheaper to be on the road than to stay home. In addition, that coach is better off on the
> road than sitting idle in storage.

We have found the same thing about travel expenses. Didn't believe it at first but the CFO swears that is correct. Our biggest concern is finding
someone to watch over the house for us. We would be gone several weeks longer if not for this.

Next problem is getting to the spring one or home from the fall one. Many RV parks on the way to the spring or the way back in the fall are closed.
Weather heading out in the spring is also a concern. I understand the difficulty of finding venues and understand the timing of the events.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI

 

[johnny]

Ken, I note that the River Bottom campground among those listed is closed. I don't find this surprising, very few of us have an interest in camping
at the bottom of a river.

As to New Madrid, we lived for a short while in Blytheville, just down the river a bit. It may well be the population center.... but if you were
going to give the country an enema, that's about where you'd plug it in.

--johnny
--
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Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen

 

[d c *mac* macdonald]

Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!

If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis. Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.

If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then west on I-270 north to I-44 west.

No East St Louis!

Mac in OKC, OK
GMCMI and Classics

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Matt Colie
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 08:55
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out

> BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48 United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have
> all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV parks near there:
>
> http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620
>
> Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
> drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than ONE
> star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what with all that nice flat land around there.
>
> An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely
> resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move
> closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.
>
> I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!
>
> Ken H.

Ken,

It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is even
a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have a varied opinion here.

But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews) in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far
if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2
miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to
arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.

Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this
calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.

What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of
North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any hook-ups and only satellite internet there.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

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[kosier]

Mac,

I-44 becomes the Will Rogers Turnpike when you get to Oklahoma.
The charge for 5 axles sorta' ruins the trip.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "D C _Mac_ Macdonald"
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:09 PM
To:
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> Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!
>
>
> If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever
> convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis.
> Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.
>
>
> If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then
> west on I-270 north to I-44 west.
>
> No East St Louis!
>
> Mac in OKC, OK
> GMCMI and Classics
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Matt Colie
>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 08:55
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out
>

>> BINGO! I've figured it out: The geographic center of the contiguous 48
>> United States is near Lebanon, Kansas. So, what we need to do is have
>> all future rallies there! Here's a reference for at least most of the RV
>> parks near there:
>>
>> http://www.rvparky.com/search?l=Lebanon%2C+KS+66952%2C+USA&x=39.809734&y=-98.555620
>>
>> Now all we have to do is find the biggest of those, or, probably more
>> likely, the group of them large enough to accommodate all of us -- we can
>> drive toads to somewhere for group get togethers. You'll notice that
>> none of the parks within 40 miles are burdened with ratings of more than
>> ONE
>> star -- and only one of those! It's obviously a prime location -- what
>> with all that nice flat land around there.
>>
>> An added bonus of that location is that a LOT of us in the East will get
>> to travel through E.St.Louis, which is always a thrill I can barely
>> resist (having gotten off of the interstate there once). Those finding
>> that to be too far from their present locations will just have to move
>> closer! Or at least arrange to be nearby in the Spring and the Fall.
>>
>> I hope everyone appreciates this brilliant suggestion -- I DID come up
>> with it all by myself here in the middle of the night!
>>
>> Ken H.
>
> Ken,
>
> It is not that I don't think you are brilliant, but everybody knows that
> Lebanon, KS is the geographic center of the (continental) USA. There is
> even
> a monument there to commemorate the fact. Alaskans and Hawaiians may have
> a varied opinion here.
>
> But there is a nice is a nice cramp ground (according to RV Park Reviews)
> in Webber. That is about 30 miles (as a crow flies - I don't know how far
> if the crow is walking and rolling a flat tire). That would be Lovewell
> State Park (454 slips and a 4.5 star). The actual monument is another 2
> miles northwest. The roads only go north and west, you have to figure out
> the distance on your own. I learned all about this when I was trying to
> arrange a family reunion. Too Late Now.
>
> Now, the population center of the USA is in south east Missouri. Not that
> far from New Madrid. (Remember 1815 earthquake). The census does this
> calculation and it has been in Missouri since the 1980s.
>
> What we could do is do as Mary did for GMCES and do a centroid of North
> American GMCMI members. I don't think we want to include those outside of
> North America or that will probably be in a ocean and there won't be any
> hook-ups and only satellite internet there.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Still Loving OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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[d c *mac* macdonald]

You can alternately take what WAS US-66 (mostly signed as OK-66) instead of the Will Rogers and Turner turnpikes. Lots of folks do!

Expect your trip to take AT LEAST twice as long and with all the stop and go in dozens of small towns, you'll probably burn the same amount of fuel and your frustration level will probably be at least four times as much.

Mac in OKC, OK
MCMI and Classics

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Gary Kosier
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 12:57
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Mac,

I-44 becomes the Will Rogers Turnpike when you get to Oklahoma.
The charge for 5 axles sorta' ruins the trip.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

--------------------------------------------------
From: "D C _Mac_ Macdonald"
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 1:09 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCMI (International) rallies mapped out

> Regarding a recommendation to get to Shawnee!
>
>
> If you are coming from the northeast, just pick up I-70 wherever
> convenient and stay on it until you get to the northwest of St Louis.
> Then take I-270 south to I-44 and head west. Do NOT pick up I-55 at Troy.
>
>
> If you are coming from southeast on I-64, turn south on I-255 and then
> west on I-270 north to I-44 west.
>
> No East St Louis!
>
> Mac in OKC, OK
> GMCMI and Classics

 

[johnny]

I ran 44 out of Tulsa to the Missouri line, I didn't think the bite was bad... less than a dollar an axle. No toad so I only paid a car and a half.

--johnny
--
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Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen

 

[d c *mac* macdonald]

$4 for 2 axles between Tulsa and OKC and same between Tulsa and MO line. I think three axles is $6 for each section. Probably $10 for GMC and towd.

For full info, go to: https://www.pikepass.com/

I have PikePass (also good on KS Turnpikes and Dallas-Ft Worth toll roads). 5% discount from cash fares, at least in Oklahoma.

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I ran 44 out of Tulsa to the Missouri line, I didn't think the bite was bad... less than a dollar an axle. No toad so I only paid a car and a half.

--johnny
--
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Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen

 

[Ken B]

GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic center of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
Canadians a chance.

Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.

I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and continue on my way.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[Ken H.]

If that's the way, better use population center instead of geographic
center to account for all that "vacant" Canada.

Ken H.

> GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic center
> of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
> Canadians a chance.
>
> Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.
>
> I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and
> continue on my way.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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[sandra price]

We have EZTag issued by Harris County Toll Road Association. It is good
for any Texas toll road, but I don't believe we can use it in OK. Wish we
could.

Sandra

> From Tx we pay the toll road every time we cross OK -- multiple times a
> year. It's necessary if u don't want to travel back roads which r poor.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 20, 2017, at 7:29 AM, Ken Henderson

> >
> > If that's the way, better use population center instead of geographic
> > center to account for all that "vacant" Canada.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> >

> >>
> >> GMCMI is suppose to be International so At least use the geographic
> center
> >> of North America rather than just the US. That should at least give the
> >> Canadians a chance.
> >>
> >> Oh yes, that is Rugby, North Dakota.
> >>
> >> I have been there many times just long enough to fill up with gas and
> >> continue on my way.
> >> --
> >> Ken Burton - N9KB
> >> 76 Palm Beach
> >> Hebron, Indiana
> >>
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[Ken B]

My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[Jim Hupy]

Most toll roads were not built by the government. They were built using
private monies. States thought that was a good deal, they didn't have to
pony up billions and create jobs for government employees for which the
expenses never end (benefit packages, retirement plans, etc.) The tolls
repay investors, and continue to generate revenues for them. Some money
goes back into repair of bridges, overpasses, surfaces, and the like. But,
tolls rarely go away, and sometimes increase. Almost no privately owned
roads out west. We learned that the government excels at some things, like
sidewalks, sewers, tunnels and bridges, infrastructure type stuff. Armies,
Navy, etc. If they would just stay out of our private lives, I would be
better pleased with them. JMHO.
Jim Hupy
SALEM, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I
> boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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[Randy Van Winkle]

For those coming SW through Missouri on I-44..........if you take hwy
71/I-49 south near Joplin you will pass through Bentonville Arkansas where
you can visit CHRYSTAL BRIDGES MUSEUM OF AMERICAN ART, a must see for both
the art, architecture, and grounds (free). Camping nearby. Then
continue south on I-49 to Ft Smith and catch I-40 west to Shawnee, AND
AVOID THE TOLL ROAD !

There are some hills on I-49 but nothing our coaches will complain about.
The interstate is not quite complete, but still good double lane highway.

> Most toll roads were not built by the government. They were built using
> private monies. States thought that was a good deal, they didn't have to
> pony up billions and create jobs for government employees for which the
> expenses never end (benefit packages, retirement plans, etc.) The tolls
> repay investors, and continue to generate revenues for them. Some money
> goes back into repair of bridges, overpasses, surfaces, and the like. But,
> tolls rarely go away, and sometimes increase. Almost no privately owned
> roads out west. We learned that the government excels at some things, like
> sidewalks, sewers, tunnels and bridges, infrastructure type stuff. Armies,
> Navy, etc. If they would just stay out of our private lives, I would be
> better pleased with them. JMHO.
> Jim Hupy
> SALEM, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>

>
> > My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I
> > boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
> > --
> > Ken Burton - N9KB
> > 76 Palm Beach
> > Hebron, Indiana
> >
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[d c *mac* macdonald]

Pennsylvania, New York, Oklahoma, and probably other states built their toll roads long before there was ANY money available otherwise to develop efficient and modern roads. In Oklahoma, the Turnpike Authority relies on the tolls to maintain, update, and improve these roads independent of state taxes, gasoline and otherwise!

I don't personally know of ANY state that FORCES anybody to use toll roads. However, the alternative routes that don't have the financial support of the toll roads are likely to be unsatisfactory from the standpoint of traffic, road quality and capacity, and added time it takes to get from A to B.

Pay or don't pay and take your chances.

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From: Gmclist on behalf of Ken Burton
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My approach is if they have a toll road that I am forced to use, then I boycott that state. I already paid my toll when I bought their gasoline.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[Ken H.]

I personally abhor toll roads and always program my GPS to avoid them.
Fortunately, we have few in the SE. However, with Trump's comments about
having private help with the infrastructure, I suspect that means more
tolls. And I'll start screaming, hopefully with a lot of others. I can
raise a LOT of objections to them, but won't burden anyone with them here.

Ken H.

 

[Jim Hupy]

I have spent much of this winter in California, a bit north of San
Francisco along highway 101. The road surfaces, both inside city limits,
and outside them, are in terrible condition. Chuck holes abound, and these
are suspension damaging ones, flying debris of all sort is constant. Broken
plastic pieces of modern automobiles litter the shoulders, truck ruts,
construction areas that have not been worked on since last September, but
still have lanes reduced, and cone markers everpresent. Reduced speed
limits, you name it. CALTRANS has a huge job ahead of them this year.
There is a commuter train that has been under construction for several
years that runs from Santa Rosa to San Rafael and dead ends in town with no
park and ride within easy walking distance. They have been running
"practice trains" back and forth to train the crews and get the public used
to being held up by crossing arm signals before they let riders on. Been a
year so far, guess trains are tough to learn how to drive. Someone needs to
light a fire under someone's butt and move this stuff along. Stop and go
for 40 miles, trip by car during traffic time can take 2 hours or more. I
can see why people are bailing out of this area. (Rant off)
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> I personally abhor toll roads and always program my GPS to avoid them.
> Fortunately, we have few in the SE. However, with Trump's comments about
> having private help with the infrastructure, I suspect that means more
> tolls. And I'll start screaming, hopefully with a lot of others. I can
> raise a LOT of objections to them, but won't burden anyone with them here.
>
> Ken H.
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[Carl Stouffer]

> > I think it ends up as: "you can't serve all the members all the time, but you can serve some of the members some of the time."
> > Or something like that.
> >
> > Move it around enough, and everybody will get a chance at some point. It also makes it a lot more interesting.
> > That's the beauty of our coaches: they're mobile.
> >
> > Karen
> > 1975 26'
>
> Karen,
>
> While the idea is good, we have two personal issues.
>
> Only one is that Tucson will be 4 road days as a Bonzi run (no stops for sights at all - fuel and short sleep only and with two drivers.) It is
> still 5 road days as a hard run and 7 road days as a casual run. It is over 2000 miles. That means two bogie grease stops just to get there.
>
> I had hoped to use this as a lead in to a Pacific Coast Highway tour all the way to Washington. And when in Washington and Idaho there were hopes
> and plans to shoot two national matches. Now I have a much bigger problem. Most of the PCH is in California. California now prohibits the
> possession of magazines that can hold more than five cartridges. Those cannot be limited by plugs that can be removed. The long gun I would carry
> is specifically disallowed because it could be an "assault weapon" (whatever that means today). I would also want to carry several hundred rounds
> of match grade ammunition and this would require a California arsenal license. The magazines for the match pieces are about 1.5 GMCbucks EACH as
> they have been smithed to eliminate mis-feeds and not damage the projectile. You don't even want to hear the insured value of the match pieces.
> Suffice it to say that I cannot afford to loose them.
>
> And, California has eliminated the "Peaceable Transit" language from the new laws.
>
> This, coupled with the cost of a required crampsite along the coast. (One can get a crampsite for a semi-reasonable ~40$ when you get 30~50 miles
> inland.) Is a big enough deterrent to severely limit our chances of doing this tour. Free ONP is virually non-existent as elsewhere as many
> jurisdictions have eliminated it with local ordinances.
>
> So much for California this life.
>
> Matt


Matt,

No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived there a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with full
hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00).
Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and ammo.
Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail right through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.

No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona has elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine and
fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most beautiful scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also have a lot to
offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300' and can drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and cross
through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.



--
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging

 

[Gene Fisher]

Join the elks

> > > I think it ends up as: "you can't serve all the members all the time,
> but you can serve some of the members some of the time."
> > > Or something like that.
> > >
> > > Move it around enough, and everybody will get a chance at some point.
> It also makes it a lot more interesting.
> > > That's the beauty of our coaches: they're mobile.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > > 1975 26'
> >
> > Karen,
> >
> > While the idea is good, we have two personal issues.
> >
> > Only one is that Tucson will be 4 road days as a Bonzi run (no stops for
> sights at all - fuel and short sleep only and with two drivers.) It is
> > still 5 road days as a hard run and 7 road days as a casual run. It is
> over 2000 miles. That means two bogie grease stops just to get there.
> >
> > I had hoped to use this as a lead in to a Pacific Coast Highway tour all
> the way to Washington. And when in Washington and Idaho there were hopes
> > and plans to shoot two national matches. Now I have a much bigger
> problem. Most of the PCH is in California. California now prohibits the
> > possession of magazines that can hold more than five cartridges. Those
> cannot be limited by plugs that can be removed. The long gun I would carry
> > is specifically disallowed because it could be an "assault weapon"
> (whatever that means today). I would also want to carry several hundred
> rounds
> > of match grade ammunition and this would require a California arsenal
> license. The magazines for the match pieces are about 1.5 GMCbucks EACH as
> > they have been smithed to eliminate mis-feeds and not damage the
> projectile. You don't even want to hear the insured value of the match
> pieces.
> > Suffice it to say that I cannot afford to loose them.
> >
> > And, California has eliminated the "Peaceable Transit" language from the
> new laws.
> >
> > This, coupled with the cost of a required crampsite along the coast.
> (One can get a crampsite for a semi-reasonable ~40$ when you get 30~50 miles
> > inland.) Is a big enough deterrent to severely limit our chances of
> doing this tour. Free ONP is virually non-existent as elsewhere as many
> > jurisdictions have eliminated it with local ordinances.
> >
> > So much for California this life.
> >
> > Matt
>
>
> Matt,
>
> No need to completely write off California. When my daughter lived there
> a few years ago, we found some very reasonable places to camp with full
> hookups even. Oak Park in Venture county only cost us $25.00/night (now
> $31.00). We stayed at River Park in Lompoc, for $20.00/night (now $30.00).
> Reasonable places can be had. I guess you don't want to do anything
> illegal, but I don't see how they can enforce their laws on weapons and
> ammo.
> Unless you are stopped and searched (unlikely) you can probably sail right
> through the state with whatever you have stashed in your coach.
>
> No need to go to CA though, the Southwest has a lot to offer. Arizona has
> elevations ranging from 140' to over 12,000' with desert, and tall pine and
> fir trees and everything in between. Utah has some of the most beautiful
> scenery in the world (as does AZ) Nevada and New Mexico also have a lot to
> offer. If you come to Tucson, you will start out at about 2300' and can
> drive to the top of Mt Lemmon, at over 9,000', in about an hour and cross
> through 5 climate zones from lowland desert to alpine forest.
>
>
>
> --
> Carl Stouffer
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive,
> Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American
> Eagles,
> Solar battery charging
>
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[Daniel]

> Join the elks

If I was an American Citizen, I would defenitly do that.
We once stayed at the Elks in Sedona, on their RV place.
They accepted guests when there was spare place on the lot.

We even got invited to their friday-dinner, at low cost.
Very nice people and they gave that evening also a scolarship away to some students.
As I could understand, did very much good things for your community.
We had nice chats and conversations. Very nice!

Daniel

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Always remember, the world is full of nice people!
So, if you can't find one, be one!