GMC Tire Truing and Balancing

philip l. stewart

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Patrick,
Also at Zeb Fraidy's recommendation, I had the Bridgestones and orginal
16.5 inch steel wheels on my coach trued and balance last year at Kesler
Tire & Alignment Service in Gaineveile, GA. This was after a few
attempts to get the wheels balanced by other dealers using the computer
balancers. Kesler does a lot of work on lager trucks and buses and the
GMC was an easy fix for them.

Leaving the wheels mounted on the coach and jacking it up so the wheels
were an inch or so of the shop floor, an electric motor was used to
spin the rear tires while excess rubber was shaved off the high points.
The GMC's engine and was started, the tranny shifted to drive, and the
front wheels were next spun and shaved. This resulted in round or
"trued" tires, front and rear.

With the wheels still mounted on the coach and using the same electric
motor to spin again them, the mechanic would carefully observe the
shaking caused by the still imbalanced wheels and tires by placing his
hand on the side of the coach and feeling the vibration. Then by some
manner of reasoning unclear to me, he would add and remove wheel weights
to the rim until the right combination resulted in a vibration free
spinning wheel. He also could observe whether there were any bent
wheels by this method, which fortunately there weren't.

This process proceeded wheel by wheel around the coach and took about
one hour to complete. The charge was $102. The result was and still is
a silky smooth ride on good pavement. (I still have road wander
problems but not due to unbalanced tires.)

I was quite pleased with the results but have to remember to mark the
wheels each time I take them off the coach to make sure they go back on
in same way to preserve the balance.

A word of caution is warranted with this discussion, however. In the
recent GMCMHI newsletter, a warning was given regarding using the
coach's engine and transmission to spin the front wheels. It was stated
that damage to the final drive's bearings or gears would result due to
unequal loads resulting from both front wheels not moving at the same
time. I don't know if I was just lucky or the wheels weren't spun fast
enoungh, but I took a 5,000 mile trip after the truing and balancing
with no problems noted with the final drive or transmission. However, I
have since replaced the 3.07 with a new 3.42 final drive so I really
can't say how it would have turned out. I'll certainly want to research
how to true and spin balance the front wheels on the coach safely in the
future, since I'm convienced this is good way to get a smooth ride using
the original equipement wheels. Any comments on this would be
appreciated.

Phil Stewart
 
>
> Patrick,
> Also at Zeb Fraidy's recommendation, I had the Bridgestones and
> orginal 16.5 inch steel wheels on my coach trued and balance last
> year at Kesler Tire & Alignment Service in Gaineveile, GA.

Phil,

Yep, that's who Zeb recommended. I'm glad to know that they do trueing
- - saves me a phone call. Gainesville's about a 70 mile drive for me, so
I guess I'll have to get NTB to "balance" them for the trip to Kesler.

About the transmission - the warning in the newsletter appears to be
against spinning one front wheel with the other stationary. Raising the
motorhome and using the engine to spin both front wheels at the same
time shouldn't be problem. Of course, I'd like to hear any dissenting
views. The value I place on a smooth ride does not exceed the cost of a
transmission.

Thanks,
Patrick
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Patrick Flowers
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The GMC Motorhome Page
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This is not a good method for balancing tires and was used 20 years ago
before computer balacers. On the car balancing takes into account all of
the out of balance and untrue components of the wheel assembly. If you have
loose wheel bearings, ones that are not torqued to the right specs etc, they
will not be truly round. You cannot rotate tires after balancing in this
manner. Chance a brake drum or disk rotor and they are out of balance
again. The should be trued off the coach, and balanced using a computer
balancer, independetn of the other componenets. Cinnabar has an tech
bulletin on wheel balancers and only recommends one type. My literature is
not here at this time so can not tell you the make.

>Patrick,
>Also at Zeb Fraidy's recommendation, I had the Bridgestones and orginal
>16.5 inch steel wheels on my coach trued and balance last year at Kesler
>Tire & Alignment Service in Gaineveile, GA. This was after a few
>attempts to get the wheels balanced by other dealers using the computer
>balancers. Kesler does a lot of work on lager trucks and buses and the
>GMC was an easy fix for them.
>
>Leaving the wheels mounted on the coach and jacking it up so the wheels
>were an inch or so of the shop floor, an electric motor was used to
>spin the rear tires while excess rubber was shaved off the high points.
>The GMC's engine and was started, the tranny shifted to drive, and the
>front wheels were next spun and shaved. This resulted in round or
>"trued" tires, front and rear.
>
>With the wheels still mounted on the coach and using the same electric
>motor to spin again them, the mechanic would carefully observe the
>shaking caused by the still imbalanced wheels and tires by placing his
>hand on the side of the coach and feeling the vibration. Then by some
>manner of reasoning unclear to me, he would add and remove wheel weights
>to the rim until the right combination resulted in a vibration free
>spinning wheel. He also could observe whether there were any bent
>wheels by this method, which fortunately there weren't.
>
>This process proceeded wheel by wheel around the coach and took about
>one hour to complete. The charge was $102. The result was and still is
>a silky smooth ride on good pavement. (I still have road wander
>problems but not due to unbalanced tires.)
>
>I was quite pleased with the results but have to remember to mark the
>wheels each time I take them off the coach to make sure they go back on
>in same way to preserve the balance.
>
>A word of caution is warranted with this discussion, however. In the
>recent GMCMHI newsletter, a warning was given regarding using the
>coach's engine and transmission to spin the front wheels. It was stated
>that damage to the final drive's bearings or gears would result due to
>unequal loads resulting from both front wheels not moving at the same
>time. I don't know if I was just lucky or the wheels weren't spun fast
>enoungh, but I took a 5,000 mile trip after the truing and balancing
>with no problems noted with the final drive or transmission. However, I
>have since replaced the 3.07 with a new 3.42 final drive so I really
>can't say how it would have turned out. I'll certainly want to research
>how to true and spin balance the front wheels on the coach safely in the
>future, since I'm convienced this is good way to get a smooth ride using
>the original equipement wheels. Any comments on this would be
>appreciated.
>
>Phil Stewart
>
>
 
>
> > Wes,
> >>
> >> I recently posted the attached on the GMCnet news group. Of course the
> >> 3.42 final drive I mention in the last paragraph is one of your Cinnabar
> >> Engineering units. What can you advise on protection (needed or not)
> >> for the final drive when truing and balancing the front wheels on the coach
> using
> >> the drivetrain to spin the wheels? I don't want to damage the new final
> >> drive since I'm so pleased with its perfrormance. Thanks,
> >> Phil Stewart, Signal Mt., TN
>
> Phil,
>
> To the best of my knowledge, all of the major tire manufacturers are
> adamantly against truing and they will void their warranty on any tire
> that has been trued. Truing is an old-fashioned way of matching a
> replacement tire with an OEM wheel. As far as the final drive is
> concerned, you are running on the carrier and usually at twice the normal
> speed.
>
> Because of the GMC Motorhome's independent suspension, we have never
> recommended on-the-vehicle wheel balancing. The Hofmann Geodyna Pro-Match
> Balancer discussed in the September 1996 issue of GMC Motorhome News does
> such a superior job, we no longer even discuss the issue. The Hofmann
> Balancer will match a replacement tire with an OEM or other wheel and
> then balance it on the same machine using special mounting equipment. A
> Hofmann Pro-Match Balancer will give you more than 80 miles per hour of
> smoothness. The cost is usually about $10 to $15 per wheel.
>
> Wes Caughlan
This is another thought on the tire truing and balancing question from
Wes Caughlan at Cinnabar Engineering. I respect and appreciate his and
and everyone eles's response to my posting on this subject. I hope all
subscribers to this list have found something useful in the replys.
Phil Stewart