Gear Ratios

Somebody posted a note on what tire size did to gear ratio.
I would like to see what gear ratio we would have to have so that we the

same final ratio as the TOROs. Thats what I want to know.
Arch,
I have a formula I've used to death in the past, you might need to put
in a decimal here or there but it will give you the numbers you're
looking for. TD = tire dia, GR = final drive gear ratio
If you want MPH: RPM x TD x 336 divided by GR
If you want TD: MPH x GR divided by RPM x 336
If you want GR: RPM x TD x 336 divided by mph
To find tire diameter, example: 225 x 75 R16 sized tire.
225 x 25.4 = tread width in inches = 8.8 inches. The second
number in the tire size series is 75 (aspect ratio). What this really
means is that the sidewall height is 75% of the tread width.
.75 x 8.8 = sidewall height, or 6.6 inches. Double this and add the
wheel diameter of 16" and that is the tire diameter. 29.2 inches. With
that info you can work the equation just about any way you want to and
get whatever answer you are looking for.
Does this help or make things worse?
Steve F.
 
Emery,
Just ran the numbers on the different tire diameters and you are correct as
long as the diameters are nearly the same regardless whether on a 15" wheel
or 16.5" wheel. Roger

Input Parameters Are the Following:
Top Speed MPH = 70
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 28.80
Peak Horsepower RPM = 2800
Computation Results:
Computed Best Differential Ratio is 3.43 to 1
Computed Maximum Differential Ratio is 3.84 to 1

Input Parameters Are the Following:
Top Speed MPH = 70
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 28.90
Peak Horsepower RPM = 2800
Computation Results:
Computed Best Differential Ratio is 3.44 to 1
Computed Maximum Differential Ratio is 3.85 to 1

Input Parameters Are the Following:
Top Speed MPH = 70
Tire Diameter (Inches) = 29.00
Peak Horsepower RPM = 2800
Computation Results:
Computed Best Differential Ratio is 3.45 to 1
Computed Maximum Differential Ratio is 3.87 to 1
 
Emery,
I was just using hypothetical figures for rpm and speed. By keeping them
the same, it shows the difference the tire diameter will make. In this
case, very little difference.

Roger
 
Shoot!!!

there goes my dumped GMC

gene

>Emery,
>I was just using hypothetical figures for rpm and speed. By keeping them
>the same, it shows the difference the tire diameter will make. In this
>case, very little difference.
>
>Roger
>
>
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Arch,
Another dumb thing. The tires are not round when on the coach. The area
where the tires meet the ground is flat. Hence, a different
radius/diameter on the vertical as opposed to horizontal.

More fuel to the fires. {:>)

Roger
 
>Ok another dumb question. When I look at the charts for my
>LT225/75R16 LRE . They list "overall diameter" as 29.4. Then they
>list the "Loaded Radius" as 13.7 inches. Now if I double that number
>I come up with a diameter of 27.4.

Right. There are a few factors at work. The loaded radius is when the
tire's contact patch is maximized under the load and pressure constraints
of your Michelins (recommended pressure and maximum load). Using the loaded
radius of 13.7 inches to calculate revolutions per mile assumes that the
tire has a single point of contact. Remember that the tire under load is
more or less round with a flat spot for the contact patch. Instead of
forming a circle with one side flattened, it actually causes the tire to
bulge out in other places, tending to keep the tire tread length about the
same (there will be some small amount of shortening as the rubber
compresses). So, every turn of your Michelins takes you about 92.4"

FWIW. the loaded radius measurement can be used to find the optimum
inflation pressure of your tires without measuring the wheel weight. Just
inflate until you reach the loaded radius for each wheel. Measure the tire
pressure and keep them inflated to this amount. Note: this DOES NOT take
into account any requirement for sidewall stiffness for the GMC rear tires.

>Then Steve tells me the tires will
>"grow" at speed. Does anybody know what is real with all of this?

Remember in the days of your misspent youth watching dragsters burnout? The
slicks got noticeably bigger as they spun up to speed. Other tires
experience a similar effect.But keep in mind that we don't run up to 200MPH
and our tires are steel belted. The belts limit the amount that the tire
can expand. Instead the force increases the effective stiffness of the tire.


>I am thinking of going back to being just fat dumb and happy.


Once the djini is out of the bottle ...

Henry
 
Hi All,
Just a side note on Gear Ratios. Back in 1976 I ordered an Oldsmobile
Toronado, it was fully loaded ( I ordered with the help of an Edmunds Car
book which contained a listing of all RPO numbers and costs etc). I ordered
the trailer towing option which among other things had a "lower axle ratio"
actually higher numerically, than stock. Car was junked due to body rot in
1988, I did save some items, but I always regretted not keeping the
Differential, thinking I could have used it in my GMC. Moving ahead to 1996
I had a discussion with Wes Coughlin about the possibility of installing
that optional Trailer Ratio in my GMC if I could find one in a junkyard
this was pre-net ) according to him the Optional Axle Ratio on the Toro
was a 3.07 , the standard ratio was less than 3.00, 2.73 I think. GM had
used the 3.07 as the standard GMC Ratio. How does that jive with the info
Emery was able to get about Toro vs GMC ratios? Incidently I always thought
my Trailer Towing Ratio was 3.23 , but that was not so according to Wes.
Mark '77 Palm Beach LINY