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> Subject: engine removal
> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
> To: "GMC"
>
>
> Hello Fellow GMCers,
> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
> in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
> undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can take
> it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am not
> looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
> of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
> someone advise me?
> Thanks,S N
>
>

- --
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63

The GMC Motorhome Page
http://www.gmcmotorhome.com
 
You need to raise the motorhome up in the front about 12 inches or so since
the engine comes out the bottom using a lifting mount across the top of the
engine compartment. Don't try and remove it through the top! The GMC
motohome market place magazine phone 219-769-7733 has back issues of their
magazine that show you how to do it. October 1996 issue I believe is the
issue you want costing $5.00 from the company. If not get the maintenance
manual from Cinnabar Engineering at 1-800-720-2227 for about $50. It is
quite detailed and has pictures. Hope this helps.

>> Subject: engine removal
>> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
>> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
>> To: "GMC"
>>
>>
>> Hello Fellow GMCers,
>> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
>> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
>> in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
>> undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can take
>> it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am not
>> looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
>> of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
>> someone advise me?
>> Thanks,S N
>>
>>
>
>--
>Patrick Flowers
>Mailto:patri63
>
>The GMC Motorhome Page
>http://www.gmcmotorhome.com
>
>
 
One method I know several people have used is to remove the sub-frame,
which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and then
with the coach elevated, rolling the sub-frame and all out from under.
They claim it is much quicker to do it that way. Would be glad to
provide individuals name (he lives in Louisville KY), etc., if
interested.

Paul Bartz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas G. Warner [SMTP:warner]
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 1998 11:26 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal
>
> You need to raise the motorhome up in the front about 12 inches or so
> since the engine comes out the bottom using a lifting mount across the
> top of the engine compartment. Don't try and remove it through the
> top! The GMC motohome market place magazine phone 219-769-7733 has
> back issues of their magazine that show you how to do it. October
> 1996 issue I believe is the issue you want costing $5.00 from the
> company. If not get the maintenance manual from Cinnabar Engineering
> at 1-800-720-2227 for about $50. It is quite detailed and has
> pictures. Hope this helps.
>
>

>
> Subject: engine removal
> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
>
> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are in
> the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts undone and
> are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can take it out the
> top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am not looking
> forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out of the
> bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could someone
> advise me?
>
> S N
 
It seems to me Alex Sirum (and other engine people ) remove the engine
thru the hatch using an A frame on wheels with a long neck. What have
others experienced? I guess if you are removing the transmission and
final drive it could be done thru the bottom of the coach.

When you do figure it out and have a moment, how about sending me your
coach's TZE number along with you address and any previous owner history.
I'll include you and your GMC in the Registry.

Thanks and good luck.

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
davegreenberg1
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829

On Sat, 16 May 1998 23:25:50 -0400 (EDT) "Thomas G. Warner"

>You need to raise the motorhome up in the front about 12 inches or so
>since
>the engine comes out the bottom using a lifting mount across the top
>of the
>engine compartment. Don't try and remove it through the top! The GMC
>motohome market place magazine phone 219-769-7733 has back issues of
>their
>magazine that show you how to do it. October 1996 issue I believe is
>the
>issue you want costing $5.00 from the company. If not get the
>maintenance
>manual from Cinnabar Engineering at 1-800-720-2227 for about $50. It
>is
>quite detailed and has pictures. Hope this helps.
>
>
>

>>> Subject: engine removal
>>> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
>>> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
>>> To: "GMC"
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Fellow GMCers,
>>> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
>>> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
>
>>> in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
>>> undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can
>take
>>> it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am
>not
>>> looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
>
>>> of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
>>> someone advise me?
>>> Thanks,S N
>>>
>>>
>>
>>--
>>Patrick Flowers
>>Mailto:patri63
>>
>>The GMC Motorhome Page
>>http://www.gmcmotorhome.com
>>
 
>
> One method I know several people have used is to remove the sub-frame,
> which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and then
>

Paul:

Since I have two Transmodes to work on I have been trying to figure out
how to do the front subframe removal. Who in Lousiville has done it and
if you could give me the number would he mind a call ?

Marcus McGee
 
I cannot imagine that removing the sub-frame, transmission and engine as a
unit would be easier than dropping the engine by itself. You still have to
get the coach up high enough for the whole thing to clear. I have never
dropped the engine through the bottom yet, but plan to in the not to distant
future. With the lifting mechanism described in the maintenance manual it
seems quite simple. I think that I would remove the carb, intake manifold,
exhaust manifolds, fan etc while the engine is still on the car however to
make it as light as possible, and reduce the height of the engine block. I
would be interested if someone else has already done it, how to make a
carrier to move the engine out once it is on the ground under the coach.

Someone else thought it could be pulled out through the door with the aid of
a long necked engine lift. Boy that would have to be some lift, 400-500 #
at 10-12 feet would have either very long legs on the floor or a very heavy
counter weight. I would not want a dirty engine going through my coach. But
than maybe the experts have that method perfected.

>>
>> One method I know several people have used is to remove the sub-frame,
>> which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and then
>>
>
>Paul:
>
>Since I have two Transmodes to work on I have been trying to figure out
>how to do the front subframe removal. Who in Lousiville has done it and
>if you could give me the number would he mind a call ?
>
>Marcus McGee
>
>
 
OK, thanks for the info. Now I have got the motor and transmission out the
bottom. Next step is to remove the engine from the transmission. I cannot
seem to get them apart. I guess the engine doesn't just slip out of the
transmission after removing the six bolts around the flywheel cover. What
else needs to be done? Does the back of the transmission need to taken off?
Any suggestions from anyone?
- -----Original Message-----
From: david l greenberg
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal

>It seems to me Alex Sirum (and other engine people ) remove the engine
>thru the hatch using an A frame on wheels with a long neck. What have
>others experienced? I guess if you are removing the transmission and
>final drive it could be done thru the bottom of the coach.
>
>When you do figure it out and have a moment, how about sending me your
>coach's TZE number along with you address and any previous owner history.
>I'll include you and your GMC in the Registry.
>
>Thanks and good luck.
>
>David Lee Greenberg
>GMC Motorhome Registry
>davegreenberg1
>Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
>
>On Sat, 16 May 1998 23:25:50 -0400 (EDT) "Thomas G. Warner"

>>You need to raise the motorhome up in the front about 12 inches or so
>>since
>>the engine comes out the bottom using a lifting mount across the top
>>of the
>>engine compartment. Don't try and remove it through the top! The GMC
>>motohome market place magazine phone 219-769-7733 has back issues of
>>their
>>magazine that show you how to do it. October 1996 issue I believe is
>>the
>>issue you want costing $5.00 from the company. If not get the
>>maintenance
>>manual from Cinnabar Engineering at 1-800-720-2227 for about $50. It
>>is
>>quite detailed and has pictures. Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>

>>>> Subject: engine removal
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
>>>> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
>>>> To: "GMC"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Fellow GMCers,
>>>> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
>>>> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
>>
>>>> in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
>>>> undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can
>>take
>>>> it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am
>>not
>>>> looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
>>
>>>> of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
>>>> someone advise me?
>>>> Thanks,S N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>--
>>>Patrick Flowers
>>>Mailto:patri63
>>>
>>>The GMC Motorhome Page
>>>http://www.gmcmotorhome.com
>>>
>>>
 
I assume that you do not have an maintenance manual or you could go to
section 7 to see how to do it.

You will remove the transmission and final drive as a unit from the engine.
Assuming that you have the output shafts removed, vacuum modulator, detent
wire, shift linkage etc, the next step is to:

1. Remove the three converter to flywheel bolts by rotating the crankshaft
at the harmonic balancer.

2. Remove the six transmission to converter housing bolts. move the
transmission and final drive assembly rearward 1/2"-3/4" and its off!

>OK, thanks for the info. Now I have got the motor and transmission out the
>bottom. Next step is to remove the engine from the transmission. I cannot
>seem to get them apart. I guess the engine doesn't just slip out of the
>transmission after removing the six bolts around the flywheel cover. What
>else needs to be done? Does the back of the transmission need to taken off?
>Any suggestions from anyone?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: david l greenberg
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Date: Monday, May 18, 1998 1:36 PM
>Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal
>
>
>>It seems to me Alex Sirum (and other engine people ) remove the engine
>>thru the hatch using an A frame on wheels with a long neck. What have
>>others experienced? I guess if you are removing the transmission and
>>final drive it could be done thru the bottom of the coach.
>>
>>When you do figure it out and have a moment, how about sending me your
>>coach's TZE number along with you address and any previous owner history.
>>I'll include you and your GMC in the Registry.
>>
>>Thanks and good luck.
>>
>>David Lee Greenberg
>>GMC Motorhome Registry
>>davegreenberg1
>>Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
>>
>>On Sat, 16 May 1998 23:25:50 -0400 (EDT) "Thomas G. Warner"

>>>You need to raise the motorhome up in the front about 12 inches or so
>>>since
>>>the engine comes out the bottom using a lifting mount across the top
>>>of the
>>>engine compartment. Don't try and remove it through the top! The GMC
>>>motohome market place magazine phone 219-769-7733 has back issues of
>>>their
>>>magazine that show you how to do it. October 1996 issue I believe is
>>>the
>>>issue you want costing $5.00 from the company. If not get the
>>>maintenance
>>>manual from Cinnabar Engineering at 1-800-720-2227 for about $50. It
>>>is
>>>quite detailed and has pictures. Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>>>>> Subject: engine removal
>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
>>>>> From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
>>>>> To: "GMC"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Fellow GMCers,
>>>>> We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
>>>>> story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
>>>
>>>>> in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
>>>>> undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can
>>>take
>>>>> it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am
>>>not
>>>>> looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
>>>
>>>>> of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
>>>>> someone advise me?
>>>>> Thanks,S N
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
 
Hello GMCers,
As far as pulling the engine out through the top and out the door,
it appears to me that this would be easy on my coach which is A 23
footer with the door up front. I have a long boom type towable cheery
picker set up for monster trucks, i.e. long and high. I think on the 23
footer you could reach in through the door and pluck it right out of
there. It appears to be allot easier and not have to deal with the
underneath problems. With the 26 footer, I think it would be allot
tougher and messy to drag it out midships. Another obvious benefit of
the "shortie".

Phil Swanson

-

Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:15:57 -0400 (EDT)
To: gmcmotorhome
From: "Thomas G. Warner"
Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal

I cannot imagine that removing the sub-frame, transmission and engine as a
unit would be easier than dropping the engine by itself. You still have to
get the coach up high enough for the whole thing to clear. I have never
dropped the engine through the bottom yet, but plan to in the not to distant
future. With the lifting mechanism described in the maintenance manual it
seems quite simple. I think that I would remove the carb, intake manifold,
exhaust manifolds, fan etc while the engine is still on the car however to
make it as light as possible, and reduce the height of the engine block. I
would be interested if someone else has already done it, how to make a
carrier to move the engine out once it is on the ground under the coach.

Someone else thought it could be pulled out through the door with the aid of
a long necked engine lift. Boy that would have to be some lift, 400-500 #
at 10-12 feet would have either very long legs on the floor or a very heavy
counter weight. I would not want a dirty engine going through my coach. But
than maybe the experts have that method perfected.

>>
>> One method I know several people have used is to remove the sub-frame,
>> which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and then
>>
>
>Paul:
>
>Since I have two Transmodes to work on I have been trying to figure out
>how to do the front subframe removal. Who in Lousiville has done it and
>if you could give me the number would he mind a call ?
>
>Marcus McGee
>
>
 
>
> > Subject: engine removal
> > Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 12:19:34 -0500
> > From: "Sharyn P Nasca"
> > To: "GMC"
> >
> >
> > Hello Fellow GMCers,
> > We bought our 26' Kingsley last fall. Due to a not so funny
> > story...well maybe in a GMC learning experience sort of way, we are
> > in the process of an engine rebuild. We have the motor mounts
> > undone and are ready to take it out. I have heard that you can take
> > it out the top hole. I cannot see how this is done and really am not
> > looking forward to digging a 3' hole in the driveway to drop it out
> > of the bottom. I am thinking that I am missing something. Could
> > someone advise me?
> > Thanks,S N
> >
> >
>
> --
> Patrick Flowers
> Mailto:patri63
>
> The GMC Motorhome Page
> http://www.gmcmotorhome.com

I had my engine changed # Buskirks in Sandusky, Michigan. They use
chain fall systen similar to the illustration in one of the manuals.
Once the engine is up through the engine compartment, they use a dolly &
track system to roll the engine out the side door. Furniture has to
come out, but I watched them roll my engine back in and lower it in less
than ten minutes....

Jack Ford 1977 Kingsley
jpf .net
 
Just to toss another ingredient into this stew, I know of one GMCer
whose mechanic had a glass company pull one of the windshield panels and
hoisted the engine out the top through the front. The mechanic wouldn't
take responsibility for the glass, though. I don't think I'd recommend
this method, but I toss it out as another alternative.

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63

The GMC Motorhome Page
http://www.gmcmotorhome.com
 
Tom:

If you're interested, contact Bobby Moore in Louisville KY,
502-964-6416. He participated in a sub frame removal, and I believe
they did it in about 2-3 hours.

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas G. Warner [SMTP:warner]
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 10:16 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal
>
> I cannot imagine that removing the sub-frame, transmission and engine
> as a unit would be easier than dropping the engine by itself. You
> still have to get the coach up high enough for the whole thing to
> clear. I have never dropped the engine through the bottom yet, but
> plan to in the not to distant future. With the lifting mechanism
> described in the maintenance manual it seems quite simple. I think
> that I would remove the carb, intake manifold, exhaust manifolds, fan
> etc while the engine is still on the car however to make it as light
> as possible, and reduce the height of the engine block. I would be
> interested if someone else has already done it, how to make a carrier
> to move the engine out once it is on the ground under the coach.
>
> Someone else thought it could be pulled out through the door with the
> aid of a long necked engine lift. Boy that would have to be some
> lift, 400-500 # at 10-12 feet would have either very long legs on the
> floor or a very heavy counter weight. I would not want a dirty engine
> going through my coach. But than maybe the experts have that method
> perfected.
>
>

> >>
> >> One method I know several people have used is to remove the
> sub-frame,
> >> which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and
> then
> >>
> >
> >Paul:
> >
> >Since I have two Transmodes to work on I have been trying to figure
> out
> >how to do the front subframe removal. Who in Lousiville has done it
> and
> >if you could give me the number would he mind a call ?
> >
> >Marcus McGee
> >
> >
 
Marcus:

It's Bobby Moore, 502-964-6416. He loves GMC calls!

Paul

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus McGee [SMTP:crsalert]
> Sent: Monday, May 18, 1998 6:08 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: engine removal
>

>
> One method I know several people have used is to remove the sub-frame,
> which the engine resides on, by first disconnecting everything and
> then
>
>
> Paul:
>
> Since I have two Transmodes to work on I have been trying to figure
> out how to do the front subframe removal. Who in Lousiville has done
> it and if you could give me the number would he mind a call ?
>
> Marcus McGee
 
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