Fun speculation about what could be a perfect tow car for a GMC

jerry work

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If you want to kill a few hours speculating about what might be a perfect t=
ow car for a GMC, Google - JDM market van - and look for the 4wd, manual tr=
ans diesel Mitsubishi Delica vans. JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market=
. Many of the cars/vans/trucks offered there were much smaller than anythi=
ng that we ever saw because the roads are narrower and parking space is muc=
h harder to find. Perfect for what we need for a tow car. They have to b=
e 25 years old or older to be imported into the US so 1993 is the latest ri=
ght now. 15 years to make it into Canada. These Delica vans have a lockin=
g differential, high and low range transfer cases, and either manual or aut=
omatic locking hubs. They are built on a true 4wd truck chassis so are veh=
icles that are capable of traversing even the most grueling of terrain. Th=
ey do it every day in less developed regions of the world. They have about=
the same foot print as a Mini Cooper but with an even shorter wheel base (=
short wheel base models). They are about the same width and only a b=
it longer than a Mini Cooper S Clubman, just a lot higher. Being a truck t=
hey do weigh considerably more. Oh, yes, they are right hand drive so will=
create quite a stir in the camp ground and might result in some colorful l=
anguage from your front seat passenger as cars and trucks going the other d=
irection go whizzing by! But, if off road adventuring is your thing, then =
toss on a snorkel kit, raise it two inches, add big lug tires and adventure=
away anywhere. Show those Jeeps a thing or two going through beach sand, =
or in the mud, or crawling the red rocks. Be nice now, do agree to pull th=
em out when they get stuck and don=E2=80=99t chide them too much about your=
being able to sleep in yours cause all the seats go flat or tip up against=
the walls or come out. Don=E2=80=99t tell your mate about the limited top=
speed, loud diesel engine sitting right under the front seats, or the ston=
e slow acceleration. Let those features be the surprise when you pull up i=
n your driveway for the first time=E2=80=A6... Jerry Jerry & Sharon =
Work Kerby, OR glwork http://jerrywork.com Now Prevost =
Country Coach Formerly 78 Royale with most everything done to moderniz=
e a GMC mechanically and 77/94 Clasco that looked like it just left the C=
lasco facility. Loved them both.
 
Looking up the specs I see that it weighs 4000 pounds. I also read that it =
shouldn=E2=80=99t be towed 4 down as it has no neutral on the transfer case=
. Otherwise it looks like a fun car. Emery Stora 77 Kingsley F=
rederick, CO > On May 30, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Gerald Work wrote: > > If you want to kill a few hours speculating about wha=
t might be a perfect tow car for a GMC, Google - JDM market van - and look =
for the 4wd, manual trans diesel Mitsubishi Delica vans. JDM stands for Ja=
panese Domestic Market. Many of the cars/vans/trucks offered there were mu=
ch smaller than anything that we ever saw because the roads are narrower an=
d parking space is much harder to find. Perfect for what we need for a tow=
car. They have to be 25 years old or older to be imported into the US so=
1993 is the latest right now. 15 years to make it into Canada. These Del=
ica vans have a locking differential, high and low range transfer cases, an=
d either manual or automatic locking hubs. They are built on a true 4wd tr=
uck chassis so are vehicles that are capable of traversing even the most gr=
ueling of terrain. They do it every day in less developed regions of the w=
orld. They have about the same foot print as a Mini Cooper but with an eve=
n shorter wheel base (short wheel base models). > > They are about t=
he same width and only a bit longer than a Mini Cooper S Clubman, just a lo=
t higher. Being a truck they do weigh considerably more. Oh, yes, they ar=
e right hand drive so will create quite a stir in the camp ground and might=
result in some colorful language from your front seat passenger as cars an=
d trucks going the other direction go whizzing by! But, if off road advent=
uring is your thing, then toss on a snorkel kit, raise it two inches, add b=
ig lug tires and adventure away anywhere. Show those Jeeps a thing or two =
going through beach sand, or in the mud, or crawling the red rocks. Be nic=
e now, do agree to pull them out when they get stuck and don=E2=80=99t chid=
e them too much about your being able to sleep in yours cause all the seats=
go flat or tip up against the walls or come out. Don=E2=80=99t tell your =
mate about the limited top speed, loud diesel engine sitting right under th=
e front seats, or the stone slow acceleration. Let those features be the s=
urprise when you pull up in your driveway for the first time=E2=80=A6... =
> > Jerry > Jerry & Sharon Work > Kerby, OR > glwork > h=
ttp://jerrywork.com > > Now Prevost Country Coach > > Formerly 78=
Royale with most everything done to modernize a GMC mechanically and > 7=
7/94 Clasco that looked like it just left the Clasco facility. Loved them =
both. > > > > > _____________________________________________=
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://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
 
Looking up the specs I see that it weighs 4000 pounds. I also read that it shouldn?t be towed 4 down as it has no neutral on the transfer case.
Otherwise it looks like a fun car.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO
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> Yea, Emery, being built on a truck chassis they are on the heavy side. With a manual trans in neutral, the transfer case in high 2wd and the
> front hubs unlocked the rear wheels, rear drive shaft and the transmission output shaft will be turning, but that seems no different from any other
> two wheel rear drive car with a manual transmission so would not think it be an issue. I never could find any definitive statement on whether they
> can or cannot be towed four down. Where did you find that?
>
> Jerry
> Jerry Work

Jerry,

Your understanding is good, but you are missing an essential flaw that is not commonly known outside of autodom.

While you may believe that manual transmissions are lubricated by just the gears sitting in the oil, that is a very common misconception. The actual
fact is that the system is designed so that the rotating gears pass the oil up the gear train so it can run down into the bearings. This requires
that the input shaft keep the counter shaft turning. It is very common for a rear wheel drive manual transmission to fail the tailshaft bearing if
the vehicle is towed far at all.

Absolutely none of this is a given. Front wheel drive transmissions are a whole new ball game, but again, many cannot be towed far 4-down without
possible damage.

How does an owner know??
Beats me....
Some manufactures don't even know, so they just say "don't do it" and their warranty is covered.

Matt

Manual transmissions are almost all lu
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Too bad we cannot unlock the rear hubs like the front hubs.

> > Yea, Emery, being built on a truck chassis they are on the heavy side.
> With a manual trans in neutral, the transfer case in high 2wd and the
> > front hubs unlocked the rear wheels, rear drive shaft and the
> transmission output shaft will be turning, but that seems no different from
> any other
> > two wheel rear drive car with a manual transmission so would not think
> it be an issue. I never could find any definitive statement on whether they
> > can or cannot be towed four down. Where did you find that?
> >
> > Jerry
> > Jerry Work
>
> Jerry,
>
>
> Your understanding is good, but you are missing an essential flaw that is
> not commonly known outside of autodom.
>
> While you may believe that manual transmissions are lubricated by just the
> gears sitting in the oil, that is a very common misconception. The actual
> fact is that the system is designed so that the rotating gears pass the
> oil up the gear train so it can run down into the bearings. This requires
> that the input shaft keep the counter shaft turning. It is very common
> for a rear wheel drive manual transmission to fail the tailshaft bearing if
> the vehicle is towed far at all.
>
> Absolutely none of this is a given. Front wheel drive transmissions are a
> whole new ball game, but again, many cannot be towed far 4-down without
> possible damage.
>
> How does an owner know??
> Beats me....
> Some manufactures don't even know, so they just say "don't do it" and
> their warranty is covered.
>
> Matt
>
> Manual transmissions are almost all lu
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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*John Phillips*
 
> Too bad we cannot unlock the rear hubs like the front hubs.
> --
> *John Phillips*

John,

I knew a guy that did that on an old CJ, it was funny the day he forgot to lock the rear hubs........

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Well, you can put disconnects on the rear wheels. Twenty five years ago I
was collecting
the parts to build a rear end for my S-10 pickup with locking hubs. Then I
found out that
Remco made a driveshaft disconnect for that application. Easy peasy! The
locking hubs
on the rear was not a new idea. The rock climbers figured how to do it.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "John Phillips"
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:37 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fun speculation about what could be a perfect tow car
for a GMC

> Too bad we cannot unlock the rear hubs like the front hubs.
>

>

>> > Yea, Emery, being built on a truck chassis they are on the heavy side.
>> With a manual trans in neutral, the transfer case in high 2wd and the
>> > front hubs unlocked the rear wheels, rear drive shaft and the
>> transmission output shaft will be turning, but that seems no different
>> from
>> any other
>> > two wheel rear drive car with a manual transmission so would not think
>> it be an issue. I never could find any definitive statement on whether
>> they
>> > can or cannot be towed four down. Where did you find that?
>> >
>> > Jerry
>> > Jerry Work
>>
>> Jerry,
>>
>>
>> Your understanding is good, but you are missing an essential flaw that is
>> not commonly known outside of autodom.
>>
>> While you may believe that manual transmissions are lubricated by just
>> the
>> gears sitting in the oil, that is a very common misconception. The
>> actual
>> fact is that the system is designed so that the rotating gears pass the
>> oil up the gear train so it can run down into the bearings. This
>> requires
>> that the input shaft keep the counter shaft turning. It is very common
>> for a rear wheel drive manual transmission to fail the tailshaft bearing
>> if
>> the vehicle is towed far at all.
>>
>> Absolutely none of this is a given. Front wheel drive transmissions are
>> a
>> whole new ball game, but again, many cannot be towed far 4-down without
>> possible damage.
>>
>> How does an owner know??
>> Beats me....
>> Some manufactures don't even know, so they just say "don't do it" and
>> their warranty is covered.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> Manual transmissions are almost all lu
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
>> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>
>
>
>
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>
> *John Phillips*
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I know in the Suzuki Samurai world you can also get a quick disconnect for the rear drive shaft, via a lever between the seats.
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1973 GMC 26' Glacier - Unknown Mileage - Has a new switch pitch transmission with Powerdrive
 
I'd say it came from Australia because it has a Roo bar and they don't have Roo's in Japan! ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of jeff sugheir
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:19 PM
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https://boise.craigslist.org/cto/d/best-4x4-van-ever-turbo/6605253114.html
 
G'Day, We own a !989 L300 (Delica) which we tow behind our GMC.
We bought it in January,after a long search, as most we found were worn out, rusty with around 500000+kms on them.
Ours had 190000 kms on it one owner, set up as a camper with a pop-top roof and weighs 1400 kgs, squishy but towable.
It was in Canberra 1300 kms away, after buying it we knocked-up a base plate and towed it home. It is currently having a refit and complete service as
we leave home in 3 weeks to tow the L300 to Cairns (Northern most city in Queensland) The GMC will go into storage there and with the L300 we will
join up with a group of friends to travel to the tip of Cape York, the northern most point of mainland Australia.
In March this year for the second Aussie GMC convention, we joined up with 2 other GMCers and their owners and travelled down to Tasmania ( our
southern most state, which is an Island, 10 hours on a ferry)
There we met up with another local GMC couple who spent 2 weeks, going way out of their way to show us their home state. One end of Australia to the
other.
This weekend, with another GMC couple, we are flying the GMC flag displaying our GMC's at Cooly Rocks, a week long 50's 60's 70's Car and music
festival.

--
Mark Bennett
Gail & Mark's Cruiser
Gold Coast, Australia.
Motorhoming Lifestyle.com
 
Has anyone towed a Chevy S 10 flat? 2wd, manual tans.2003, can it be done or does it need a shaft disconnect?
--
Dan Gibb
1977 Eleganza II
Tucson, Az
 
Has anyone towed a Chevy S-10 2wd,manual trans, 2003. Can it be done?
--
Dan Gibb
1977 Eleganza II
Tucson, Az
 
Yes, and Yes!

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "Dan Gibb"
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 8:29 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fun speculation about what could be a perfect tow car
for a GMC

> Has anyone towed a Chevy S 10 flat? 2wd, manual tans.2003, can it be done
> or does it need a shaft disconnect?
> --
> Dan Gibb
> 1977 Eleganza II
> Tucson, Az
>
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