Fuel Injection

dan winchester

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So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection. Are
their others on the list that have converted and what are your experiences?

What are the different brands? Holly, ???

What are the differt types? Throttle body, ported, ???

Dan Winchester
 
Dan, if www.bytedesigns.com/gmc is where you looked... disregard this note.
If it's not... take a browse over there and let me know if you have
questions. I'm currently running the ported kit frpm Rance that uses Accell
electronics. Accell now has a gizmo that can change the fuel injection from
bank type injection to individual nozzle.

Once I get my EGT's hooked up I'll see if it's needed or not.

Heinz
www.bytedesigns.com/gmc

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Winchester
To: GMC Mail
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:47 AM
Subject: GMC: Fuel Injection

>So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection. Are
>their others on the list that have converted and what are your experiences?
>
>What are the different brands? Holly, ???
>
>What are the differt types? Throttle body, ported, ???
>
>
>Dan Winchester
>
>
 
Heinz:

First I've seen any mention of bank and individual nozzle type injection
systems?

How do they differ and what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port
types?

Paul Bartz

From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection

Dan, if www.bytedesigns.com/gmc is where you looked... disregard this
note. If it's not... take a browse over there and let me know if you
have questions. I'm currently running the ported kit from Rance that
uses Accell electronics. Accell now has a gizmo that can change the fuel
injection from bank type injection to individual nozzle.
Once I get my EGT's hooked up I'll see if it's needed or not.
From: Dan Winchester
Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:47 AM
Subject: GMC: Fuel Injection
So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection.
Are their others on the list that have converted and what are your
experiences?
What are the different brands? Holly, ???
What are the different types? Throttle body, ported, ???
 
Hi Paul,

TBI is really just a replacement for the carb. I had 2 injectors with the
Howell system that basically sprayed fuel into the intake manifold. (my
explanation is really oversimplyfied, i.e. just meat and potatoes. :-)

The ported system has an injector for each cylinder, but they actually only
fire (spray) twice, i.e. 4 at a time. (Not one side vs the other, but rather
in 4's as appropriately timed). This means that a cyl may get fuel before
TDC and another after TDC, etc. It seems that in most cases this is
perfectly adequate and of course cheaper to produce.

The potential problem with this scheme is that if a cyl is hot/cold vs the
other 3 in the bank it is less than perfect. I would think that an EGT would
be the only way to tell. Now assume we have a modified piston head, such as
one of mine (swallowed exhaust valve which rattled around a bit before it
spit it out the back :-) it comes to mind that that cylinder may be hotter
or colder. Probably no big deal if a little colder, but probably not so good
if it's hotter, ie leaner.

So... if for 300 bucks I can tweek it so that each cyl is perfect combustion
I consider that a not too bad investment.

I expect that I'll have my engine monitor (silicone sally) in over Xmas and
I'll be able to get an idea on just how even all cylinders burn with the
EGT's.

At least that's how I have it in my mind... and I could be totally wrong
:-).
After all I'm just a hobby pro [g].

I welcome any substantiation or clarification.

Heinz

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bartz, Paul
To: 'gmcmotorhome'
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Fuel Injection

>Heinz:
>
>First I've seen any mention of bank and individual nozzle type injection
>systems?
>
>How do they differ and what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port
>types?
>
>Paul Bartz
>
>From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
>Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 1:09 PM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection
>
>Dan, if www.bytedesigns.com/gmc is where you looked... disregard this
>note. If it's not... take a browse over there and let me know if you
>have questions. I'm currently running the ported kit from Rance that
>uses Accell electronics. Accell now has a gizmo that can change the fuel
>injection from bank type injection to individual nozzle.
>Once I get my EGT's hooked up I'll see if it's needed or not.
>From: Dan Winchester
>Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:47 AM
>Subject: GMC: Fuel Injection
>So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection.
>Are their others on the list that have converted and what are your
>experiences?
>What are the different brands? Holly, ???
>What are the different types? Throttle body, ported, ???
>
 
Heinz:

OK, I hear you, but I guess you didn't understand my question (i. e. How
do they (bank and individual nozzle type injection systems) differ and
what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port types)???

Also, will you have an EGT sender for each cylinder? What brand? Is
the gauge an all in one type, graphic display? Otherwise, all I
understand you will measure is each bank of the engine exhaust?

Paul

From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection

Hi Paul,

TBI is really just a replacement for the carb. I had 2 injectors with
the Howell system that basically sprayed fuel into the intake manifold.
(my explanation is really oversimplyfied, i.e. just meat and potatoes.
:-)

The ported system has an injector for each cylinder, but they actually
only fire (spray) twice, i.e. 4 at a time. (Not one side vs the other,
but rather in 4's as appropriately timed). This means that a cyl may get
fuel before TDC and another after TDC, etc. It seems that in most cases
this is perfectly adequate and of course cheaper to produce.

The potential problem with this scheme is that if a cyl is hot/cold vs
the other 3 in the bank it is less than perfect. I would think that an
EGT would be the only way to tell. Now assume we have a modified piston
head, such as one of mine (swallowed exhaust valve which rattled around
a bit before it spit it out the back :-) it comes to mind that that
cylinder may be hotter or colder. Probably no big deal if a little
colder, but probably not so good if it's hotter, ie leaner.

So... if for 300 bucks I can tweek it so that each cyl is perfect
combustion I consider that a not too bad investment.

I expect that I'll have my engine monitor (silicone sally) in over Xmas
and I'll be able to get an idea on just how even all cylinders burn with
the EGT's.

At least that's how I have it in my mind... and I could be totally wrong
:-). After all I'm just a hobby pro [g].

I welcome any substantiation or clarification.

Heinz

From: Bartz, Paul
Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Fuel Injection

Heinz:

First I've seen any mention of bank and individual nozzle type injection
systems?

How do they differ and what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port
types?

Paul Bartz

From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection
>
>Dan, if www.bytedesigns.com/gmc is where you looked... disregard this
>note. If it's not... take a browse over there and let me know if you
>have questions. I'm currently running the ported kit from Rance that
>uses Accell electronics.
>Once I get my EGT's hooked up I'll see if it's needed or not.
>From: Dan Winchester
>Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:47 AM
>Subject: GMC: Fuel Injection
>So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection.
>Are their others on the list that have converted and what are your
>experiences?
>What are the different brands? Holly, ???
>What are the different types? Throttle body, ported, ???
>
 
>Heinz:
>
>OK, I hear you, but I guess you didn't understand my question (i. e. How
>do they (bank and individual nozzle type injection systems) differ and
>what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port types)???
>

Paul,

Only way the bank and individual differ is that only one injector fires at a
time and you can adjust individually the fuel fed. It's still a ported type,
just individual injector control vs 2x4.

Re my ported: I have more control via a laptop with the Rance/Accell EFI
(ported) with reference to programming.
For my own peace of mind (which has no bearing on anything) I prefer the
fuel being injected a ways down the intake manifold vs spraying right on
top.

>Also, will you have an EGT sender for each cylinder?

Yes.

>What brand?

The AV10 that was mentioned on this list a while back. It's actually used
for aviation. It should clean up the instrument cluster by quite a bit.
After looking into it I could see some benefits of voice alert when
something is abnormal. ( I can recall that it would've saved me a head
gasket on a trip a long time ago ). I'm now a little better off with the
digital gauges as they flash when over limit, but a whack behind the ear (or
in the ear) can only help.

>Is
>the gauge an all in one type, graphic display?

measures individual probes and remembers hi and low.
It's a single LCD display that can be set to manually display a 'gauge' or
it'll scan.
Monitoring goes on continously no matter what and you can also log to a
laptop.

It's just too bad I didn't find this before spending a pile on gauges it'll
probably be replacing.

More in synch with your question, I hope :-)

Heinz

>Otherwise, all I
>understand you will measure is each bank of the engine exhaust?
>
> Paul
>
>From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 2:27 PM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection
>
>Hi Paul,
>
>TBI is really just a replacement for the carb. I had 2 injectors with
>the Howell system that basically sprayed fuel into the intake manifold.
>(my explanation is really oversimplyfied, i.e. just meat and potatoes.
>:-)
>
>The ported system has an injector for each cylinder, but they actually
>only fire (spray) twice, i.e. 4 at a time. (Not one side vs the other,
>but rather in 4's as appropriately timed). This means that a cyl may get
>fuel before TDC and another after TDC, etc. It seems that in most cases
>this is perfectly adequate and of course cheaper to produce.
>
>The potential problem with this scheme is that if a cyl is hot/cold vs
>the other 3 in the bank it is less than perfect. I would think that an
>EGT would be the only way to tell. Now assume we have a modified piston
>head, such as one of mine (swallowed exhaust valve which rattled around
>a bit before it spit it out the back :-) it comes to mind that that
>cylinder may be hotter or colder. Probably no big deal if a little
>colder, but probably not so good if it's hotter, ie leaner.
>
>So... if for 300 bucks I can tweek it so that each cyl is perfect
>combustion I consider that a not too bad investment.
>
>I expect that I'll have my engine monitor (silicone sally) in over Xmas
>and I'll be able to get an idea on just how even all cylinders burn with
>the EGT's.
>
>At least that's how I have it in my mind... and I could be totally wrong
>:-). After all I'm just a hobby pro [g].
>
>I welcome any substantiation or clarification.
>
>Heinz
>
>
>From: Bartz, Paul
>Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 11:01 AM
>Subject: RE: GMC: Fuel Injection
>
>Heinz:
>
>First I've seen any mention of bank and individual nozzle type injection
>systems?
>
>How do they differ and what benefits do they offer vs.TBI and port
>types?
>
>Paul Bartz
>
>From: Heinz Wittenbecher [mailto:heinz]
>Sent: Saturday, November 14, 1998 1:09 PM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Fuel Injection
>>
>>Dan, if www.bytedesigns.com/gmc is where you looked... disregard this
>>note. If it's not... take a browse over there and let me know if you
>>have questions. I'm currently running the ported kit from Rance that
>>uses Accell electronics.
>>Once I get my EGT's hooked up I'll see if it's needed or not.
>>From: Dan Winchester
>>Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 9:47 AM
>>Subject: GMC: Fuel Injection
>>So far I have only seen one descriptive article about fuel injection.
>>Are their others on the list that have converted and what are your
>>experiences?
>>What are the different brands? Holly, ???
>>What are the different types? Throttle body, ported, ???
>>
>