Fridge installation

gary j zingle

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I did manage to get my fridge reinstalled today.
>
Before I put it back in I covered the interior of the cavity (sides back
and top) with reflective bubble sheeting. 1st time I used it in a fridge
cavity, hopefully it will be O.K. The text on the fridge serial number
plate says " clearance from combustibles bottom, sides, back, and top 0
inches "
>
The insulation was applied such that it cut down on the air movement
between the fridge cavity and the coach, in particular past the partition=

to outside wall gaskets. With this insulation, the amount of heat escapin=
g
into the coach rather than out the vent on top has gone way down. Since t=
he
temperatures are quite high at the burner and up the insulated box above
the burner, I covered the bubble insulation both on that side partition a=
nd
also on the exterior wall in the area of the burner/insulated box with
galvanized metal.
>
For mounting of the new back wall for convection to the fridge I used met=
al
wire clamps designed for about 3/4 inch diameter wiring. My fridge has
refer pipes flush with the back of the fins. These clamps attached the
galvanized sheet to these pipes. That way the only mounting holes I drill=
ed
are in the galvanized. I have less than 1/2" clearance between the
galvanized and the fins. I kept the galvanized flush with the top of the
fins since my fridge is very tall and the back corner of the fins almost
touches the radius of the exterior wall.
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Given the close proximity of the fins to the radius of the wall/ceiling i=
f
I weren't mounting a fan I don't think I would need this "back wall". The=

galvanized extends about 2" below the fins and I made brackets to mount t=
he
fan to the galvanized so that the air is moved up.
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On the back of the fridge the use of cooling fins is limited to only one
area at the top of the fridge so I don't think I needed for the wall to
extend below. The thinking was that if they were looking for cooling in t=
he
lower part of the fridge (and therefore improved convection would be
worthwhile) then surely they would have put cooling fins there. Was I
wrong?
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I would have liked a thermal switch that turns on at about 100 degrees (f=
or
mounting above the cooling fins). If I find one I think I will rework the=

project to use it, but I had to get the fridge back in. I used a thermal
switch that turns on at 175 degrees and used a fuel line clamp to secure =
it
to the refer pipe coming out of the insulated box containing the burner.
>
The temperatures have risen considerably with the fridge mounted back in
the opening. With the elevated temperatures I am seeing with the fridge
reinstalled the thermal switch is simply limiting the use of the fan to
whenever the fridge is on!
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Performance of the fridge has deteriorated considerably with it back in t=
he
opening. Although the freezer seems to be working good the fridge is not
cooling as fast as I would expect.
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Tomorrow I will install a fan to circulate air inside the fridge. Hopeful=
ly
the fridge will perform once I make its life a little easier.
>
It is getting late. Hopefully tomorrow or Monday I will be able to detail=

the temperatures found with the fridge reinstalled.
>
Regards
>
Gary Zingle
 
No matter where the fan is placed, the air is first warmed as it passes over the
lower coils first (assuming upflow air flow of course). Maybe the fan is just
more efficient pulling half and pushing the other half of the air???
Gary North Bend, Oregon Coast (Light rain)

> In a message dated 8/29/99 8:49:14 AM Central Daylight Time,

>
> > Wouldn't this pull air through the lower coils as well as push air through
> > the upper coils?
> >
> Emery
>
> You are right--but the air would also already be heated from the
> lower coils. Therefore it would not pick up as much heat.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
 
It really isn't necessary to use a thermal sw. The average muffin fan draws so
little current you might as well let it run constantly when operating the
fridge. Mine has operated this way for 10 years.

> I would have liked a thermal switch that turns on at about 100 degrees (for
> mounting above the cooling fins). If I find one I think I will rework the
> project to use it, but I had to get the fridge back in. I used a thermal
> switch that turns on at 175 degrees and used a fuel line clamp to secure it
> to the refer pipe coming out of the insulated box containing the burner.

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Moving hot air is more efficient than cold, right? Air is lighter, so flow
is better with the same fan than trying to blow all cold air.

Roger
 
Moving hot air is not more efficient than moving cold air. The density
of hot air is less than cold so a fan has to turn more revolutions to
move the same mass of air. This is indicated by the difficulty in taking
off in a propeller driven airplane on a hot day. I realize we are just
kicking this subject around. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer but
I don't think this is it. Jerry.

>
> In a message dated 8/29/99 7:49:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
> > Moving hot air is more efficient than cold, right? Air is lighter, so flow
> > is better with the same fan than trying to blow all cold air.
> >
> Roger
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how if we all keep at this we can seem
> to come to some new conclusion. You may well be right--I dont know.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
 
Jerry,
My thoughts might just be backassward. I was thinking of a central air/heat
for a house. It uses a two speed fan and I think the low speed is for heat
and the higher speed is for cool. A one speed fan doesn't do the trick on
the a/c side. I may be wrong, again, and again, and again.{:>)
Roger
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Hartley

Subject: Re: GMC: Fridge installation

Moving hot air is not more efficient than moving cold air. The density
of hot air is less than cold so a fan has to turn more revolutions to
move the same mass of air. This is indicated by the difficulty in taking
off in a propeller driven airplane on a hot day. I realize we are just
kicking this subject around. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer but
I don't think this is it. Jerry.

>
> In a message dated 8/29/99 7:49:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

>
> > Moving hot air is more efficient than cold, right? Air is lighter, so
flow
> > is better with the same fan than trying to blow all cold air.
> >
> Roger
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how if we all keep at this we can seem
> to come to some new conclusion. You may well be right--I dont know.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
 
Density of Hot is is much less so it is easier to move with a fan. The
lesser density does not provide lift for an airplane in hot weather.

J.R. Wright

>
> Jerry,
> My thoughts might just be backassward. I was thinking of a central air/heat
> for a house. It uses a two speed fan and I think the low speed is for heat
> and the higher speed is for cool. A one speed fan doesn't do the trick on
> the a/c side. I may be wrong, again, and again, and again.{:>)
> Roger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Hartley
>
> Subject: Re: GMC: Fridge installation
>
> Moving hot air is not more efficient than moving cold air. The density
> of hot air is less than cold so a fan has to turn more revolutions to
> move the same mass of air. This is indicated by the difficulty in taking
> off in a propeller driven airplane on a hot day. I realize we are just
> kicking this subject around. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer but
> I don't think this is it. Jerry.
>

> >
> > In a message dated 8/29/99 7:49:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

> >
> > > Moving hot air is more efficient than cold, right? Air is lighter, so
> flow
> > > is better with the same fan than trying to blow all cold air.
> > >
> > Roger
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me how if we all keep at this we can seem
> > to come to some new conclusion. You may well be right--I dont know.
> >
> > Take Care
> > Arch
 
Airplane wings, propeller blades and fan blades are all airfoils and all
are less efficient in hot air.

>
> Density of Hot is is much less so it is easier to move with a fan. The
> lesser density does not provide lift for an airplane in hot weather.
>
> J.R. Wright
>

> >
> > Jerry,
> > My thoughts might just be backassward. I was thinking of a central air/heat
> > for a house. It uses a two speed fan and I think the low speed is for heat
> > and the higher speed is for cool. A one speed fan doesn't do the trick on
> > the a/c side. I may be wrong, again, and again, and again.{:>)
> > Roger
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jerry Hartley
> >
> > Subject: Re: GMC: Fridge installation
> >
> > Moving hot air is not more efficient than moving cold air. The density
> > of hot air is less than cold so a fan has to turn more revolutions to
> > move the same mass of air. This is indicated by the difficulty in taking
> > off in a propeller driven airplane on a hot day. I realize we are just
> > kicking this subject around. Unfortunately, I don't know the answer but
> > I don't think this is it. Jerry.
> >

> > >
> > > In a message dated 8/29/99 7:49:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

> > >
> > > > Moving hot air is more efficient than cold, right? Air is lighter, so
> > flow
> > > > is better with the same fan than trying to blow all cold air.
> > > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > It never ceases to amaze me how if we all keep at this we can seem
> > > to come to some new conclusion. You may well be right--I dont know.
> > >
> > > Take Care
> > > Arch