First Road Trip!

I'm still in town and did not head north, so give me a call.

When you get in the area head for the intersection of Indiana 49 and US 30. That is about 15 mines south of interstates 94, 90, or 80 on southbound
Ind 49. ON US 30 head east to first stop light and turn left followed by an immediate right.

You are headed to Porter County Airport Hangar L1 which is accessed using Gate #5 on south side of the airport and the east end.

Ken
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Thanks Ken. Will do for sure. I think around the 10/11th I should be leaving S Ontario. I will call when I know for certain. Much appreciated.
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Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
> You're fortunate to have met one of the true gems of the GMC community in Cliff Pike.
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> I met a fellow in Brighton ON with 3 GMCs - 77 Eleganza II, 78 Royals and a 23 footer of some sort in the back corner of the property. Currently
> parked at Guelph Lake across from a 74 Transmode. Cliff n Penny Pike of Heritage Cruisers
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You got that right Billy. Wonderful people. Had me over for burgers last night and I am even getting one of the coveted water bottle racks he built
(that and a bottle of kaopectacte for my dog with the runs from the stress and heat of the past few days).

Some folks asked if I was nervous travelling all this distance alone. I told them I'm not "alone". I have hundreds of people along with me and feel
safer driving this girl than I would in a brand new SOB of any description. My brother and sister in law are blown away with the support you guys
give everyone. Even those in an SOB.

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Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
For the dog you might try Imodium - which is what works in Kaopectate. Also, >don't< give the dog the local water unless you're home. All those
flats of cheap bottled water around here are for Sam and the girls when we travel. I don't want a 110pound white coated dog in a crate at a show with
dysentery. Any time I stop for gas and they have bottled water out fron on sale I pick up a flat.

==johnny


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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Deb M.:
Good for you Deb.
Always good to have a successful long trip plus learn invaluable lessons!!!
You will be an inspiration to others when they hear your story.
Mike/The Corvair a holic
Peoria, IL.
76 Eleganza II 26' (for sale)
76 Glenbrook 28' stretch
78 Glenbrook 26' project

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>
> A much delayed update. About halfway through. About to start back home next week and it's been an interesting but on the whole uneventful trip.
>
> One blown fuse, one hot fuse holder, broken locking pin spring on the awning, fried the 30A dogbone, also fried one element (and some wiring) on the
> water heater when we ran out of water (duh!) and a small leak in the airline at the schrader valve. Nothing that left me stranded anywhere - mostly
> inconvenienced or slightly delayed.
>
> We have travelled 4700 km through the Rockies, prairies, isolated country and urban insanity; some great weather, lousy weather (some nasty rain) and
> the current ugly hot humid S Ontario summer (45 degrees with the humidex). Haven't had to add oil once, tranny is holding its own nicely, roaring fan
> came on only when we crawled along the 401 in Toronto. Temps sitting right where they should be. Only thing I haven't tried yet is running the Onan
> for the roof air while we drive. She runs but still sounds like a ball peen hammer inside. I think I will give it a try on a short run tomorrow. Dogs
> and I are cookin in there if we aren't moving - like yesterday through Toronto.
>
> I met a fellow in Brighton ON with 3 GMCs - 77 Eleganza II, 78 Royals and a 23 footer of some sort in the back corner of the property. Currently
> parked at Guelph Lake across from a 74 Transmode. Cliff n Penny Pike of Heritage Cruisers.
>
> So far it has been a wonderful trip. Learned a lot, met some great folks and plan to meet up with more on the way back home.
>
> More to come 👍
> --
> Deb McWade
> Logan Lake, BC, CAN
> "Li'l Sister"
> '77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
> TZE167V101404
> It's Bigger on the Inside!
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> For the dog you might try Imodium - which is what works in Kaopectate. Also, >don't< give the dog the local water unless you're home. All those
> flats of cheap bottled water around here are for Sam and the girls when we travel. I don't want a 110pound white coated dog in a crate at a show
> with dysentery. Any time I stop for gas and they have bottled water out fron on sale I pick up a flat.
>
> ==johnny

OMG I would NOT want to even imagine that scenario!! Our kao up here is different that the US - it's really just a diatomaceous earth suspension.
Most of the time does OK for mine but I will pick up some Imodium as well.

And the bottled water is a great suggestion. Even with the filtration system (upgraded from the original) local water could cause problems. I will add
that to the list of "must haves". I think our biggest problem is heat while driving yesterday. But I will pick up water and Imodium on our quick
trip out tomorrow (have to make a dump run - no siteside dumper. Just power and water. )
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Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
I don't even water them with the local to them water in the tank, though I cook with it and drink it myself without problems. 20+ years of the BWDs,
15 or so showing them. Which is why I miss my Norris 23'/ Tub in the back. Works wonders for washing the dog before the show. And not having to
use the common wash tubs. Lousy bed space, but great plumbing!

--johnny

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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Stop and see Bruce first and get the air line leak fixed.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Another update. Now on the return leg of my trip.

Coach has run very well, temps, fluids, everything running the way one would hope. Have averaged 9.5 mpg over about 3000+ miles which includes the
rockies and LOTS of sitting in traffic for hours on end (thanks Toronto!!)

I have met and received help and company from a few folks along the way.
Carl Harr in Edmonton who talked me through the blown fuse that killed my turn signals on day 2.

Cliff and Penny Pike in Guelph for conversation, burgers, the wonderful addition of the water jug station to the kitchen and the much needed
kaopectate for my little dog.

Bruce and Paula Hislop helped get me going with the leaky airline, fed me and we had a pleasant evening (hope the transmission gets sorted Bruce),

Ken Burton put me up in his hangar and ran around with me getting the right fittings for the airline (all fixed now!), worked out a solution for a
battery cutoff switch that kept working loose and actually cutting off my battery, and offered advice, information and a couple of days of
conversation.
Not to mention arranging for me to meet up with Jim Miller and Bob Burkitt. Between them, with their much appreciated assistance and guidance, we (my
contribution consisted mainly of Jim pointing and saying "Do that" and then showing me how to do it, since I had no idea what to do yet) we changed
the Onan cushions, pulled and overhauled the Onan starter and replaced the starter bracket. Many thanks to Bob for the bracket and cushions. It's
running like a top. Who knew?!? We now have roof air and we are no longer melting during the drive!!

I have to say that I agree with Dean Hanson that if everything always ran perfectly, you may miss some wonderful opportunities. Perhaps the best part
of your journey. It certainly has been for mine.

Another few days to get home (a week really) and then I will have to decide where else I may go before the snow flies. Maybe be Amana??

Final update when I get back.
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Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
Hope your dog is now 'contained'. It sounds like a fun trip for you. Somewhere along the line - maybe an Eastern GMCMI, you should come South for a
bit.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Deb,

Sounds like a great trip! As another "solo" traveler with canine companions only, I envy you. I also envy you meeting up with some of the gurus of
the GMC community. Hope you have a safe, and uneventful (GMC-wise) trip home.
--
Brian K
1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
Bellevue, WA
Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall apart (discovering more as I go along....)
 
Well - home safe and sound! Over 6500 miles in 6 weeks on our maiden voyage.

Hiccups included - blown fuse; fried water heater element (my fault - ran out of water); broken awning release pin, so no awning for this trip; backed
up toilet (corrected); drafting from the black tank somewhere that I have to source (only when driving with a window open for the dogs); leak in the
air line at the driver side airbag (fixed!).
No major problems, nothing that really slowed me down, and definitely nothing that stopped me in my tracks.

Positives - Many!!
Saw a lot of both Canada and the US; the midwest anyway - if not in depth, at least in passing :)
Met a lot of great people, both GMCer's (and my many thanks to them all!) and SOBer's ;)
Learned a TONNE about the coach, and got to show her off to a few admirers of the "breed" - A Harley rider in AB, Site hosts in AB & MI (who thanked
me for delivering "his coach" and offered to pay for the uber to get us the rest of the way) and 2 or 3 other RVer's who just found it a fascinating
piece of equipment. When I offered the "nickel tour" I always got an enthusiastic "Yeah!" I loved the look on one fellows face when he asked
"Diesel?", "No... Gas"; "2 axles in the back?" "No axles in the back. FWD" I was grinning the whole time. He was in awe. Also many thumbs up and
waves along the way.
Got the Onan running - till the "I don't know how old" condenser (which had already been bubbling when we got her going) packed it in :( . Thanks to
Jim and Bob! Replacement parts are on order for both of us ;)
Also now have dash air - recharged the empty but very solid compressor with R12A ("only in Canada, eh? Pity.") so till I get the points & condenser
changed out, &/or install the electronic ignition I got from Gary Bovee, I can still cool the front half of the coach.

A VERY GOOD TRIP all in all. Enjoyed it thoroughly and can't wait to get back out somewhere.

Drove through a lot of terrain. Some that didn't really challenge us much, flat straight highway, hills, some mountains with steep but short grades
that gave us a break so no problem there in "S". I do have a question about lo-o-o-ng steep grades. Coming home I hit the Cascades & Crow's Nest -
not a problem since those were relatively short although steep in some areas (6-8%). However... Places like the Kootenay Pass here in BC - a 15 mile
stretch of 8 & 10% grade up and down again with no breaks at all gave me a bit of a pause. Everywhere I read about keeping your ENGINE from
overheating. My engine was fine (big honkin' new aluminum radiator). Never went above 195 which is where I assume my thermostat lives! Fan kicked
in often and blew my ear drums but I'm OK with that! Advice on the transmission? Even running in "L" at 20 mph on a 2-3+ mile stretch of 10% uphill
grade that tranny temp would climb up to 200 - 210 (never passed that tho').

So my main question is... what is the max temperature at which I should start to worry under those driving conditions? There is a thransmission
cooler & driving on normal, flat, rolling highway the temp never even gets to 150 (for a while I wondered if the gauge was working!). Even when
working it harder, in stop & start city, "driving" through Toronto on the 401, dinky secondary "highways" (if you can call them that) with continual
hills & switchbacks & god-awful surfaces, slowing down & accelerating, downshifts and running in S & L for 15 or 20 minutes at a time, it never got
above 180. It's these long, very steep grades with NO breaks and nowhere to pull over to let anything cool down. Tranny fluid is good, level is
good, and still looks fine after it all (I checked). If I HAVE to do a 10 minute haul at what feels like straight uphill at 200-210 degrees with the
high rpms of "L" at about 20mph, is that acceptable? Or should I be concerned? or doing something else?

Other than the transmission temperature question, I had a wonderful, relaxing trip and can't wait to do it again! :d
--
Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
> Hope your dog is now 'contained'. It sounds like a fun trip for you. Somewhere along the line - maybe an Eastern GMCMI, you should come South
> for a bit.
>
> --johnny

She got all squared away Johnny. ;) Thx. Needed a run to the vet for something a bit more potent that the kao, but got sorted in about 2 days after
that. And I DID do bottled water pretty much the whole rest of the trip. Still have a half a flat.

Next summer I hope to head farther east - Maritimes - on a longer run, since I won't have to come back for August anymore (retired in 5 weeks!) so may
well be able to head down your way to. BTW... what kind of BWD do you have again?
--
Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
> Deb,
>
> Sounds like a great trip! As another "solo" traveler with canine companions only, I envy you. I also envy you meeting up with some of the gurus
> of the GMC community. Hope you have a safe, and uneventful (GMC-wise) trip home.

Thx Brian. It was wonderful, and "uneventful". My kind of travel!
--
Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!
 
Deb,

GREAT report, both in content and lack of major problems.

RE: Transmission temperatures: The 200*F you saw is nothing to worry
about -- if it AVERAGED that, the ATF would still be good for almost 50,000
miles. At 300*F things would start to warp. But, to make you more
comfortable about such, I strongly suggest getting a copy from bdub.net of
the Chevrolet P-30 Chassis Owners' Manual. It has an appendix (8.1) on
transmission temperatures, coolers, etc., including a table of ATF life vs
average temperature. While the P-30 used other transmissions, most, if not
all, of the comments should be equally applicable to the TH-425.

You'll find LOTS of other relevant information in that manual, including
excellent articles on Vapor Lock, Electrical Systems, etc., etc. I highly
recommend it to everyone, regardless of their skill and knowledge level.

Ken H.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:43 PM Deb McWade via Gmclist <

> Well - home safe and sound! Over 6500 miles in 6 weeks on our maiden
> voyage.
>
> Hiccups included - blown fuse; fried water heater element (my fault - ran
> out of water); broken awning release pin, so no awning for this trip; backed
> up toilet (corrected); drafting from the black tank somewhere that I have
> to source (only when driving with a window open for the dogs); leak in the
> air line at the driver side airbag (fixed!).
> No major problems, nothing that really slowed me down, and definitely
> nothing that stopped me in my tracks.
>
> Positives - Many!!
> Saw a lot of both Canada and the US; the midwest anyway - if not in depth,
> at least in passing :)
> Met a lot of great people, both GMCer's (and my many thanks to them all!)
> and SOBer's ;)
> Learned a TONNE about the coach, and got to show her off to a few admirers
> of the "breed" - A Harley rider in AB, Site hosts in AB & MI (who thanked
> me for delivering "his coach" and offered to pay for the uber to get us
> the rest of the way) and 2 or 3 other RVer's who just found it a fascinating
> piece of equipment. When I offered the "nickel tour" I always got an
> enthusiastic "Yeah!" I loved the look on one fellows face when he asked
> "Diesel?", "No... Gas"; "2 axles in the back?" "No axles in the back.
> FWD" I was grinning the whole time. He was in awe. Also many thumbs up
> and
> waves along the way.
> Got the Onan running - till the "I don't know how old" condenser (which
> had already been bubbling when we got her going) packed it in :( . Thanks
> to
> Jim and Bob! Replacement parts are on order for both of us ;)
> Also now have dash air - recharged the empty but very solid compressor
> with R12A ("only in Canada, eh? Pity.") so till I get the points &
> condenser
> changed out, &/or install the electronic ignition I got from Gary Bovee, I
> can still cool the front half of the coach.
>
> A VERY GOOD TRIP all in all. Enjoyed it thoroughly and can't wait to get
> back out somewhere.
>
> Drove through a lot of terrain. Some that didn't really challenge us
> much, flat straight highway, hills, some mountains with steep but short
> grades
> that gave us a break so no problem there in "S". I do have a question
> about lo-o-o-ng steep grades. Coming home I hit the Cascades & Crow's Nest
> -
> not a problem since those were relatively short although steep in some
> areas (6-8%). However... Places like the Kootenay Pass here in BC - a 15
> mile
> stretch of 8 & 10% grade up and down again with no breaks at all gave me a
> bit of a pause. Everywhere I read about keeping your ENGINE from
> overheating. My engine was fine (big honkin' new aluminum radiator).
> Never went above 195 which is where I assume my thermostat lives! Fan
> kicked
> in often and blew my ear drums but I'm OK with that! Advice on the
> transmission? Even running in "L" at 20 mph on a 2-3+ mile stretch of 10%
> uphill
> grade that tranny temp would climb up to 200 - 210 (never passed that
> tho').
>
> So my main question is... what is the max temperature at which I should
> start to worry under those driving conditions? There is a thransmission
> cooler & driving on normal, flat, rolling highway the temp never even gets
> to 150 (for a while I wondered if the gauge was working!). Even when
> working it harder, in stop & start city, "driving" through Toronto on the
> 401, dinky secondary "highways" (if you can call them that) with continual
> hills & switchbacks & god-awful surfaces, slowing down & accelerating,
> downshifts and running in S & L for 15 or 20 minutes at a time, it never got
> above 180. It's these long, very steep grades with NO breaks and nowhere
> to pull over to let anything cool down. Tranny fluid is good, level is
> good, and still looks fine after it all (I checked). If I HAVE to do a 10
> minute haul at what feels like straight uphill at 200-210 degrees with the
> high rpms of "L" at about 20mph, is that acceptable? Or should I be
> concerned? or doing something else?
>
> Other than the transmission temperature question, I had a wonderful,
> relaxing trip and can't wait to do it again! :d
> --
> Deb McWade
> Logan Lake, BC, CAN
> "Li'l Sister"
> '77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
> TZE167V101404
> It's Bigger on the Inside!
>
>
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> Deb,
>
> GREAT report, both in content and lack of major problems.
>
> RE: Transmission temperatures: The 200*F you saw is nothing to worry
> about -- if it AVERAGED that, the ATF would still be good for almost 50,000
> miles. At 300*F things would start to warp. But, to make you more
> comfortable about such, I strongly suggest getting a copy from bdub.net of
> the Chevrolet P-30 Chassis Owners' Manual. It has an appendix (8.1) on
> transmission temperatures, coolers, etc., including a table of ATF life vs
> average temperature. While the P-30 used other transmissions, most, if not
> all, of the comments should be equally applicable to the TH-425.
>
> You'll find LOTS of other relevant information in that manual, including
> excellent articles on Vapor Lock, Electrical Systems, etc., etc. I highly
> recommend it to everyone, regardless of their skill and knowledge level.
>
>
> Ken H.

Thank you Ken! Eased my mind considerably! I have downloaded that manual into my dropbox along with the owners and maintenance manuals that are
there.

So with that worry off of my list, I can now officially state that my first road trip was a roaring success! :thumbup:
--
Deb McWade
Logan Lake, BC, CAN
"Li'l Sister"
'77 Kingsley, 403, EBL EFI;
TZE167V101404
It's Bigger on the Inside!