First long trip

gordon elkins

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We bought our 77 Royale 2 years ago and have been working on it and
monitoring/using all the excellent ideas and experiences on this great list.
Last weekend, I had to quit foolin' with it and take it on the road, as I
had been transferred from south-central Oklahoma to sunny Tucson, a trip of
about 950 miles. I changed all the fluids to Mobile One, put on new front
tires (E's of course), filled the tanks with High Test and my pockets with
the cookie jar money and hit the road. I took the scenic southern route so
half the trip was mountainous (from Turkey Texas, Home of Bob Wills, to Las
Cruses, NM) and half reasonably flat (I-10 from Las Cruses to Tucson). The
old girl used a half quart of 20-50 Mobil One and fuel consumption was 10.8
mpg (US) on the best leg and about 10.2 on the worst. Speed averaged 62-65
on I-10 and considerably less on the twisty parts. The holding tanks were
less than 1/4 full and the load light, but I was pulling a 1200 lb. toad
(street legal sand rail). I learned that the 20-50 oil is probably too
heavy and I'll change to 10-40 even if it means using another brand of
synthetic. Also, I had changed the thermostat to a Robert Shaw 160 degree
and I'm very please with that change. With the new NAPA temp sender, my
temp indicated 1/4 up on the scale as opposed to mid scale with the 195
degree thermostat. The hottest I saw was a needle width less than mid scale
when climbing out of Ruidosa, NM at 50 mph in high gear. I wouldn't
recommend it for colder climes, though. All-in-all, it was uneventful and a
lot of fun. She's a blast to drive. Thanks to all for the wealth of
knowledge and to Patrick for making this forum available to us.

Gordon & Mary
77 Royale
 
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Gordon; congrads on your excellent trip. May they all be trouble free.
As for Mobil-1, they don't make a 20w-50, only 15w-50, which is color
coded w/red plastic cap. They also make a 10w-30, 5w-30 & 0w -30. I
personally use the 15w-50 and it is not too heavy for the temperate
climatic conditions you would be having in a run from OK - AZ. Just
curious, why was 20w-50 suppost to be too heavy? walter bright, 76 GB
 
To the Elkins, way to go!

All the ingredients for success. Good prep, followed by successful
execution.

Good luck in Tucson...one of my favorite cities.

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
200 MacFarlane Drive
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
 
Walter

You're correct, it was 15w-50 Mobile One I used rather than 20-50. What I
saw was, that with the 160 degree thermostat, the oil pressure indicator
(stock gauge) would be nearly pegged to max most of the time at cruising
RPM. If I had kept the 195 thermostat, it would have been lower. I'm just
uncomfortable seeing an instrument max'd out because it makes me wonder if
it's working. I'm a believer in the theory that you only need 10 psi of oil
pressure for each 1000 rpm. I think that just about all GMC engines in
reasonable condition will do that. Even very high milage ones. I may try a
180 degree thermostat just to see how it does. Since both the engine and
trans oil coolers are in the radiator, I like the idea of the lower radiator
temp. My only concern with the 160 deg thermostat is that the engine is
getting warm enough to burn out the moisture in the crankcase on moderate
drives. I know it does on long trips. What are you thoughts?

Gordon & Mary
77 Royale
 
Arch

I haven't double checked before writing this, but here goes, as I remember the
drill....

I taught mechanics how to use Wynn's Cooling System equipment and chemicals for
about 10 years, and as I understand the function of the thermostat, it opens at
a pre-dertimined degree of heat, and then opens and closes on a frequent basis
to maintain the desired heat range. The proper burning of fuel, the oil being
kept free of condensation, etc, are all engineered to the proper heat range of
the engine. Your engine is going to last a lot longer and give you better fuel
milage if you stay with GM's design (in this case). I'm staying with 195 and
50/50 antifreeze/water and adding a bottle of Wynn's Cooling System Treatment
every year.

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia, Md

> In a message dated 11/08/1999 9:52:16 PM Central Standard Time,

>
> > My only concern with the 160 deg thermostat is that the engine is
> > getting warm enough to burn out the moisture in the crankcase on moderate
> > drives. I know it does on long trips. What are you thoughts?
> >
> Gordon
>
> Here are my thoughts. On a really cold day your 160 degree thermostat
> might be doing something different from a 195. In very short order both
> are going to be wide open an a mild day. Then the temperature control
> is up to the fan clutch. I dont know about the GMC for sure but all of my
> vehicles you cannot take the radiator cap off after a short drive because
> it will spray hot water all over the place. I dont know if it is my myth
> or the myth of others that is wrong. I am looking for an answer. I put in a
> 195 because at that point the engine is good and warm. It will just open
> 5 min later than a 160. Can somebody tell me what I am missing here?
> My myth says that you are not going to see much difference on your
> temperature gauge for a 160 or 195 unless you live in Alaska in the winter
> time. In that case I want a 195. What are the temps for the different
> senders-----I think they are all above 160 or 195? Once you are above
> 200 on either sender the thermostats are both wide open. Somebody
> talk to me I am getting frustrated.
>
> Take Care
> Arch
 
>Thanks. Sure hope we can get some consensus on something.
>
>Take Care
>Arch

Arch, ever the optomist!!

Dave Greenberg
GMC MOTORHOME REGISTRY