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marcus mcgee

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There is a product out called "Cold Fire" that is used in racing - NHRA,
IHRA,CART etc. that is mixed with water. My head engineer is the tech and
timing guy at the IHRA track here and and it is used to put out gas, fiberglass,
alcohol, magnesium, nitro-methane and anything else. It is relatively
inexpensive and is a heat quenching agent. The demo had a magnesium, gas
fiberglass fire going and 1/2 of a small canister put it out in about 2
seconds. The guy then picks up the pan it was burning in with bare hands. The
pan was glowing red before he shot it with the retardent and water combo. The
IHRA swears by it and it does not leave a mess.

Perhaps we should come up with a group buy and a simple sprinkler system for the
engine compartment.

Marcus

> Some food for thought(or fuel for the fire). FM200 is the most "popular"
> of the Halon replacements.
>
> http://www.fm200.com/
>
> http://www.sea-fire.com/
>
> Patrick
>

> >
> > Now all we need is for someone to "package" it to make it
> > easier sourcing all the pieces :-)
 
I like it. Group purchase? I'm in. Darren

> There is a product out called "Cold Fire" that is used in racing - NHRA,
> IHRA,CART etc. that is mixed with water. My head engineer is the tech and
> timing guy at the IHRA track here and and it is used to put out gas, fiberglass,
> alcohol, magnesium, nitro-methane and anything else. It is relatively
> inexpensive and is a heat quenching agent. The demo had a magnesium, gas
> fiberglass fire going and 1/2 of a small canister put it out in about 2
> seconds. The guy then picks up the pan it was burning in with bare hands. The
> pan was glowing red before he shot it with the retardent and water combo. The
> IHRA swears by it and it does not leave a mess.
>
> Perhaps we should come up with a group buy and a simple sprinkler system for the
> engine compartment.
>
> Marcus
>

>
> > Some food for thought(or fuel for the fire). FM200 is the most "popular"
> > of the Halon replacements.
> >
> > http://www.fm200.com/
> >
> > http://www.sea-fire.com/
> >
> > Patrick
> >

> > >
> > > Now all we need is for someone to "package" it to make it
> > > easier sourcing all the pieces :-)

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Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
http://www.TZEplus.com
 
Let's don't jump on the bandwagon too fast. One of our engineers that
sits on the NFPA committee that reviews these extinguishants recently
witnessed some independent tests and the results were "mixed". I don't
know if Cold Fire was amoung those tested, but he will. I've already
emailed him the URL and asked for comments. I should have something
back by tomorrow afternoon.

Patrick

>
> I like it. Group purchase? I'm in. Darren
>

>
> > There is a product out called "Cold Fire" that is used in racing - NHRA,
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Patrick Flowers
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>I like it. Group purchase? I'm in. Darren
>

>
>> There is a product out called "Cold Fire" that is used in racing - NHRA,
>> IHRA,CART etc. that is mixed with water. My head engineer is the tech and
>> timing guy at the IHRA track here and and it is used to put out
>>gas, fiberglass,
>> alcohol, magnesium, nitro-methane and anything else. It is relatively
>> inexpensive and is a heat quenching agent. The demo had a magnesium, gas
>> fiberglass fire going and 1/2 of a small canister put it out in about 2
>> seconds. The guy then picks up the pan it was burning in with
>>bare hands. The
>> pan was glowing red before he shot it with the retardent and water
>>combo. The
>> IHRA swears by it and it does not leave a mess.
>>
>> Perhaps we should come up with a group buy and a simple sprinkler
>>system for the
>> engine compartment.
>>
> > Marcus

Me too... al
 
>.
>I went to their web site and read their stuff for a while and it made me
>a little skeptical. I am willing to believe that it is better than plain
>water, but their test results are pure marketing garbage. One of their test
>results showed air giving better results than water.

Could you post an URL with those particular results? All of the results
that I found showed their product to be superior.

> Something is very wrong
>with that and caused them to lose all credibility with me.
>
>If they would publish test conditions, procedures and results in language that
>made since, then I would give them a closer look.

At http://www.firefreeze.com/faqs.htm they specify that they tested their
product according to Standard 18 of NFPA (http://www.nfpa.org/) for wetting
agents. The standard is available for purchase.

Henry
 
The "current" NFPA 18 is five years old and the committee has been planning
a rewrite for at least two years - partly due to the number of wetting
agents like Cold Fire that are being marketed. A big change is to be a
differentiation between wetting agents, emulsifiers and foams, which are now
all treated equally by the standard.

By stating their product has been tested in accordance with NFPA 18 doesn't
mean much other than it didn't damage the hoses and equipment or impede the
flow of water through it. NFPA is a "standards" organization and
specifically disclaims any "approval" authority.

I'm more interested in what "UL listed as a Class A&B Wetting Agent" means.
More on that as soon as I can dig up the listing(gotta' get some "real" work
done too).

Our engineer that is on the NFPA 18 committee is out today, but as soon as I
can corner him, I'll relate his impressions of the tests to the group.

Patrick

>
>
> At http://www.firefreeze.com/faqs.htm they specify that they
> tested their product according to Standard 18 of NFPA
> (http://www.nfpa.org/) for wetting agents. The standard is
> available for purchase.
>
> Henry
>
>
 
Demo's are supposed to be impressive. I know that's cynical, but then I've
got 21 years of watching this type of stuff come and go. I'm not saying
this stuff doesn't work, but the web site and their literature is full of
hype and some statements that are technically correct but misleading.

This stuff has its applications and its limitations. I just want to know
exactly what they are before betting the coach on them.

I've got a demo video of a similar product originally called "Fuel
Buster"(now called "F-500") produced by a company about 10 miles from my
house. Same sort of hype, but in the three years it's been produced, the
product's had two different names and the company has had three different
names. That gives it the smell of snake oil to me.

There are 11 companies having UL listings for "wetting agents". Only two
have any other listings under other categories in the 1999 UL Fire
Protection Equipment Directory.

IMO, some caution is in order.

Patrick

>
> Let me testify that I have seen their demonstration and it is
> unbelievable. I can't explain how it works but it does the
> job. We set a pile of tires on fire and let them get burning
> good before they applied the "Cold Fire" solution and it put
> it out within one minute. It worked so good that we now
> carry it in all of our plants in the fire departments and
> they have used it on numerous occasions with excellent results.
>
> Ken
> 76 Royale
>
 
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