Fan Clutch

gary miller

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Again, thanks to so many for responding to my plea for help in finding a
fan clutch. The Net has prospered by about a dozen new part numbers for
fan clutches but most of them are for 5/8" water pump shafts (which it
appears most of you have). My GMC came to me with a 3/4" water pump
(extra heavy duty) shaft thus I needed a 3/4" fan clutch. As previously
posted Hayden engineering suggested NAPA 771303 which I now have and the
fit is perfect. Haven't had a chance to climb one of Rick Staples'
mountains yet to test it but I have no doubt that it will work fine
since I drove cross-country without an operational clutch and no
overheating problems.
Gary
'77 Kingsley
North Bend, Oregon Coast
 
Some time back, having never heard the fan engage in our '76, I asked a
mechanic to check it and was told it was working fine. But I've yet to hear
the "roar" others talk about. Last month, great detail was provided by
Clark Searle as to how it works, but no mention was made as to how to
confirm its proper operation. Clark, can you or someone else fill me (and
maybe others) in as to how we can check its operation so we're not at the
mercy of the mechanic and/or "surprised" by high temps?

Appologies if this has been covered, but I was out of town (brief travelog
to follow in a few days) and still have posts from 4/1 thru 4/11 to read
thru. (Yup. I read 'em all)

TIA,

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
I've never seen the
>coolant
>temp get over the 1/2 mark either. Maybe I'll wait till I see the
>temp
>gauge rise a little and
>
Just be careful 'cause you will be in trouble BEFORE the temp indicator
reaches the halfway mark! Normal seems to be at or slightly below the 1/4
mark. At halfway you are in a melt down situation.

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
and Boston Homes, Inc.
800-827-9989
 
Thanks Dave

Mark Grady sent me about this same message on the side. I ordered the
correct NAPA TS-6469 sender a few minutes ago.

Thanks much.

In case anyone else needs this info repeated, here it is:

Temperature Sender: This may be old news for most but doesn't hurt to be
told. The original temp. sender on all GMC Motorhomes at

1/4 is 225 degrees,
1/2 is 250 degrees,
3/4 is 270 degrees,
H is 280 degrees.

This has caused a lot of engine damage when engine starts to overheat.

Go to NAPA and get a TS-6469 sender and it will show
1/4 = 180 degrees,
1/2 = 215 degrees,
3/4 = 240 degrees,
H = 255 degrees.

Since the standard pressure cap raises antifreeze solution boiling point to
250 degrees this will be
more accurate readings. I don't know why they did this but it is a serious
problem. Info from GMC Motorhome News published by Cinnabar, Dec. '95 issue.
I did this and it agrees exactly with my VIP digital readout. bill (?)

>I've never seen the
>>coolant
>>temp get over the 1/2 mark either. Maybe I'll wait till I see the
>>temp
>>gauge rise a little and
>>
>Just be careful 'cause you will be in trouble BEFORE the temp indicator
>reaches the halfway mark! Normal seems to be at or slightly below the 1/4
>mark. At halfway you are in a melt down situation.
>
> David Lee Greenberg
>GMC Motorhome Registry
> and Boston Homes, Inc.
> 800-827-9989
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
I have a new instrument panel. My gauge reads about 190 most of the time.
Is that a normal reading for these coaches?
Richard Waters '76 PB, Troy, MI
- -----------------

>
> > Go to NAPA and get a TS-6469 sender and it will show
> > 1/4 = 180 degrees,
> > 1/2 = 215 degrees,
> > 3/4 = 240 degrees,
> > H = 255 degrees.
> >
>
> All,
> Good advice. I did it; it works. I like my gauges to mean something.
> (And it's cheap, too.)
>
> Rick Staples
> '75 Eleganza
> Louisville, CO
 
I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
but that seems about twice too high.

I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
ask what brand they was peddeling.

Am I livin in the past or what?

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
Billy,
I bought a Hayden 2797 less than a month ago at my local parts house. I'm
looking at the invoice right now ----$59.95. Give them a call and have them
send you one; Knecht's (541) 269-0211. Verify that you have a 5/8" water
pump shaft and not a 3/4" shaft like mine. The 2797 fits a 5/6" shaft.
Gary
'77 Kingsley
North Bend, Oregon Coast

> I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
> clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
> with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
> She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
> dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
> but that seems about twice too high.
>
> I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
> ask what brand they was peddeling.
>
> Am I livin in the past or what?
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333
 
Watch out for the Hayden fan clutches! I too saw the GMCnet posting
suggesting a Hayden #2797. I went to Pep Boys and purchased it for $64.99
plus tax. I have a 78 with the 403CID engine. (By the way, to install the
2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud before you
mount it to the water pump) After I installed it, it would NEVER stop
"roaring". I called the technical help desk (800) 433-7508 ext 2233, and
they, of course, never heard of a GMC motorhome. They had me measure my fan
blade pitch and the number of blades, and quickly determined that the 2797
was too much clutch. They suggested a 2747. I tried the 2747, and
determined that it, also, was too much clutch. It would "roar constantly
until I reached 45+MPH. I again called the tech people, and they just put
me into a 2705. I haven't had enough experience with it yet, but it is the
number that Jim Bounds told me was the closest to the original GMC. A brief
look at the parts manual shows the fan and clutch to be the same with the
455 or the 403.

Scott Shean
78 Royale
Baton Rouge, LA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Billy Massey
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
>
>
> I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
> clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
> with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
> She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
> dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
> but that seems about twice too high.
>
> I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
> ask what brand they was peddeling.
>
> Am I livin in the past or what?
>
> bdub
> '76 Palm Beach
> In The Heart o Texas
> www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> icq # 202333
>
 
I've been off the net for a while too, so- sorry if this is repetitious. I'd
say number one is whether you're overheating. If not, don't lose sleep over
it. Second, you can get a pretty good indication when you start a cold engine.
Open up your eyelids and listen for a while. If the clutch is operating
normally, it will roar for a while then the fan will disengage and it'll get
much quieter. That's not the whole story, because it doesn't prove that the
clutch will engage as the temperature rises in the radiator. If you get tuned
into the noise of an engaged fan, you'll notice it if it engages while driving,
but under most driving conditions it should never engage. Pulling a grade,
especially with a toad in warm weather, should build enough heat to engage the
fan. But the radiator on our coaches is pretty generous and normal ram air from
the moving vehicle will keep things cool enough most of the time.

Clark Searle
78 Kingsley
Mt. Pleasant, MI

> Some time back, having never heard the fan engage in our '76, I asked a
> mechanic to check it and was told it was working fine. But I've yet to hear
> the "roar" others talk about. Last month, great detail was provided by
> Clark Searle as to how it works, but no mention was made as to how to
> confirm its proper operation. Clark, can you or someone else fill me (and
> maybe others) in as to how we can check its operation so we're not at the
> mercy of the mechanic and/or "surprised" by high temps?
>
> Appologies if this has been covered, but I was out of town (brief travelog
> to follow in a few days) and still have posts from 4/1 thru 4/11 to read
> thru. (Yup. I read 'em all)
>
> TIA,
>
> ___________
> Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
> Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled my
fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then removed the
four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and spring and then
removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for clearance and the
assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating). However, I am having
trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump flange being long enough
because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock clutch at the mounting flange
where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like Alcoa wheels using stock studs
where no threads are showing past the nut. Don't want the fan flying off at high
speed so I am going to take the clutch back out and switch to longer bolts with
lock washers. The Hayden is not quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet. Maybe we
got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for me.

Phil Swanson
73 Canyonlands 23'

> (By the way, to install the
> 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud before you
> mount it to the water pump)
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Billy Massey
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
> > To: gmcmotorhome
> > Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
> >
> >
> > I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
> > clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
> > with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
> > She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
> > dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
> > but that seems about twice too high.
> >
> > I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
> > ask what brand they was peddeling.
> >
> > Am I livin in the past or what?
> >
> > bdub
> > '76 Palm Beach
> > In The Heart o Texas
> > www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> > icq # 202333
> >
 
Phil,
In the years I have worked with these coaches, I have found that the stock
75% rotation did a fine job without adding another noise to listen to. If
you are towing a Fleetwood or resurfacing your rotors and drums with your E
brake a heavier duty fan clutch might be needed. The hayden 2705 or the
Delco 14-4208 fan clutch is defently the one I would reconend.

Just recently, the customer I had delivered a coach to in Texas drove
through and changed out his heavy duty fan clutch. That darn thing cycled
every 15 min. on me all the way to Harlegin Texas, I was about to rip that
thing out by the roots when I got there. The customer had just had a super
fancy engine rebuild done in California and he had not driven the thing
since then. I told him of the problem and he said he wanted everything on
his new motor "heavy duty". He called me on his first trip and asked me
what the %@#$ all of that noise was from his fancy motor. He rerouted his
trip to come by to chanbe out the clutch, no trouble now as he reported to me.

I would welcome a contrasting view, but it would take alote of graphs and
charts to make me change my opinion on this!

Jim Bounds
- -----------------------

>Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled my
>fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then
removed the
>four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and spring and then
>removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for clearance and the
>assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating). However, I am having
>trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump flange being long
enough
>because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock clutch at the mounting flange
>where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like Alcoa wheels using stock studs
>where no threads are showing past the nut. Don't want the fan flying off
at high
>speed so I am going to take the clutch back out and switch to longer bolts
with
>lock washers. The Hayden is not quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
> Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet.
Maybe we
>got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for me.
>
>
>Phil Swanson
>73 Canyonlands 23'
>

>
>> (By the way, to install the
>> 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud before you
>> mount it to the water pump)
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>> > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Billy Massey
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
>> > To: gmcmotorhome
>> > Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
>> >
>> >
>> > I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
>> > clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came
back
>> > with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
>> > She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much
for a
>> > dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
>> > but that seems about twice too high.
>> >
>> > I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
>> > ask what brand they was peddeling.
>> >
>> > Am I livin in the past or what?
>> >
>> > bdub
>> > '76 Palm Beach
>> > In The Heart o Texas
>> > www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
>> > icq # 202333
>> >
>
>
>
Jim Bounds/Co-op Motor Works Orlando www.gmccoop.com
 
Other than taking someone's word for it, it's hard for me to believe that
about half the respondents to this subject report installation and operation
problems and the other half report no problems. How can that be????

I fall into the latter category. Replaced mine last October in conjunction
with a water pump replacement on my 78 Royale, with a 403 cid engine, with
the Hayden 2797 and did not have to remove the shroud. Just tilted the
assembly (fan and clutch) and slid it inside the shroud and then backed it
up to the pump flange with studs installed.

I've put about four thousand miles on it so far and only hear it each time I
start the engine cold. Hasn't cycled on going down the road yet.

Paul Bartz

From: Jim Bounds [mailto:jimbounds]
Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Fan Clutch

Phil,
In the years I have worked with these coaches, I have found that the stock
75% rotation did a fine job without adding another noise to listen to. If
you are towing a Fleetwood or resurfacing your rotors and drums with your E
brake a heavier duty fan clutch might be needed. The Hayden 2705 or the
Delco 14-4208 fan clutch is defently the one I would recommend.
Just recently, the customer I had delivered a coach to in Texas drove
through and changed out his heavy duty fan clutch. That darn thing cycled
every 15 min. on me all the way to Harlegin Texas, I was about to rip that
thing out by the roots when I got there. The customer had just had a super
fancy engine rebuild done in California and he had not driven the thing
since then. I told him of the problem and he said he wanted everything on
his new motor "heavy duty". He called me on his first trip and asked me
what the %@#$ all of that noise was from his fancy motor. He rerouted his
trip to come by to chanbe out the clutch, no trouble now as he reported to
me.
I would welcome a contrasting view, but it would take alote of graphs and
charts to make me change my opinion on this!

Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled
my fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then
removed the four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and
spring and then removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for
clearance and the assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating).
However, I am having trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump
flange being long enough because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock
clutch at the mounting flange where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like
Alcoa wheels using stock studs where no threads are showing past the nut.
Don't want the fan flying off at high speed so I am going to take the clutch
back out and switch to longer bolts with lock washers. The Hayden is not
quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet.
Maybe we got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for
me.
Phil Swanson

(By the way, to install the 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside
of the fan shroud before you mount it to the water pump)
From: owner-gmcmotorhome

[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]
On Behalf Of Billy
Massey
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
but that seems about twice too high.
I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to ask
what brand they was peddeling.
Am I livin in the past or what?
 
Phil,
It is NOT necessary to install the longer studs to use the Alcoa Wheels
on the GMC. The original lug bolt length provides sufficient threads
for 100 % strength when using Alcoa wheels. The pitch diameter for a
9/16 NF thread is 0.526". The GMC studs, Alcoa wheel and nut
combination allows for 0.532" of thread, which is more that the pitch
diameter of the stud. The longer stud does not provide more strength,
it just has more threads exposed. The only reason that I would replace
studs would be if they had been streached. You can check that by
running a lug nut the entire length of the stud and you should be able
to do it with your fingers without any resistance. Just be sure that the
threads are clean.

J.R.Wright
77 Eleganza II

>
> Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled my
> fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then removed the
> four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and spring and then
> removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for clearance and the
> assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating). However, I am having
> trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump flange being long enough
> because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock clutch at the mounting flange
> where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like Alcoa wheels using stock studs
> where no threads are showing past the nut. Don't want the fan flying off at high
> speed so I am going to take the clutch back out and switch to longer bolts with
> lock washers. The Hayden is not quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
> Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet. Maybe we
> got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for me.
>
> Phil Swanson
> 73 Canyonlands 23'
>

>
> > (By the way, to install the
> > 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud before you
> > mount it to the water pump)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> > > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Billy Massey
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
> > > To: gmcmotorhome
> > > Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
> > >
> > >
> > > I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
> > > clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
> > > with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
> > > She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
> > > dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
> > > but that seems about twice too high.
> > >
> > > I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
> > > ask what brand they was peddeling.
> > >
> > > Am I livin in the past or what?
> > >
> > > bdub
> > > '76 Palm Beach
> > > In The Heart o Texas
> > > www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
> > > icq # 202333
> > >
 
I'm really confused about all this too. I was all set to buy a 2797 but
sure don't want it running all the time. I'm not too concerned about it's
installation, but want to be sure and get the right clutch for the job.

Is there a chance that the ones that are having trouble with them running
all the time just got bad parts?

>Other than taking someone's word for it, it's hard for me to believe that
>about half the respondents to this subject report installation and operation
>problems and the other half report no problems. How can that be????
>
>I fall into the latter category. Replaced mine last October in conjunction
>with a water pump replacement on my 78 Royale, with a 403 cid engine, with
>the Hayden 2797 and did not have to remove the shroud. Just tilted the
>assembly (fan and clutch) and slid it inside the shroud and then backed it
>up to the pump flange with studs installed.
>
>I've put about four thousand miles on it so far and only hear it each time I
>start the engine cold. Hasn't cycled on going down the road yet.

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
Mine was the same as Paul's. NOt hard to do at all.

J.R. Wright

>
> Other than taking someone's word for it, it's hard for me to believe that
> about half the respondents to this subject report installation and operation
> problems and the other half report no problems. How can that be????
>
> I fall into the latter category. Replaced mine last October in conjunction
> with a water pump replacement on my 78 Royale, with a 403 cid engine, with
> the Hayden 2797 and did not have to remove the shroud. Just tilted the
> assembly (fan and clutch) and slid it inside the shroud and then backed it
> up to the pump flange with studs installed.
>
> I've put about four thousand miles on it so far and only hear it each time I
> start the engine cold. Hasn't cycled on going down the road yet.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: Jim Bounds [mailto:jimbounds]
> Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Fan Clutch
>
> Phil,
> In the years I have worked with these coaches, I have found that the stock
> 75% rotation did a fine job without adding another noise to listen to. If
> you are towing a Fleetwood or resurfacing your rotors and drums with your E
> brake a heavier duty fan clutch might be needed. The Hayden 2705 or the
> Delco 14-4208 fan clutch is defently the one I would recommend.
> Just recently, the customer I had delivered a coach to in Texas drove
> through and changed out his heavy duty fan clutch. That darn thing cycled
> every 15 min. on me all the way to Harlegin Texas, I was about to rip that
> thing out by the roots when I got there. The customer had just had a super
> fancy engine rebuild done in California and he had not driven the thing
> since then. I told him of the problem and he said he wanted everything on
> his new motor "heavy duty". He called me on his first trip and asked me
> what the %@#$ all of that noise was from his fancy motor. He rerouted his
> trip to come by to chanbe out the clutch, no trouble now as he reported to
> me.
> I would welcome a contrasting view, but it would take alote of graphs and
> charts to make me change my opinion on this!

> Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled
> my fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then
> removed the four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and
> spring and then removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for
> clearance and the assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating).
> However, I am having trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump
> flange being long enough because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock
> clutch at the mounting flange where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like
> Alcoa wheels using stock studs where no threads are showing past the nut.
> Don't want the fan flying off at high speed so I am going to take the clutch
> back out and switch to longer bolts with lock washers. The Hayden is not
> quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
> Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet.
> Maybe we got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for
> me.
> Phil Swanson

> (By the way, to install the 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside
> of the fan shroud before you mount it to the water pump)
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]
> On Behalf Of Billy
> Massey
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
> Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
> I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
> clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came back
> with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
> She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much for a
> dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
> but that seems about twice too high.
> I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to ask
> what brand they was peddeling.
> Am I livin in the past or what?
 
J.R and during my discussion with Alcoa they confirmed this. don't know
where the rumor ever got started either. Even read it in one of Wes
Caughlans write ups on the Alcoa wheels.

>Phil,
>It is NOT necessary to install the longer studs to use the Alcoa Wheels
>on the GMC. The original lug bolt length provides sufficient threads
>for 100 % strength when using Alcoa wheels. The pitch diameter for a
>9/16 NF thread is 0.526". The GMC studs, Alcoa wheel and nut
>combination allows for 0.532" of thread, which is more that the pitch
>diameter of the stud. The longer stud does not provide more strength,
>it just has more threads exposed. The only reason that I would replace
>studs would be if they had been streached. You can check that by
>running a lug nut the entire length of the stud and you should be able
>to do it with your fingers without any resistance. Just be sure that the
>threads are clean.
>
>J.R.Wright
>77 Eleganza II
>

>>
>> Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I assembled my
>> fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and then
removed the
>> four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and spring and then
>> removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for clearance and the
>> assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating). However, I am having
>> trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump flange being long
enough
>> because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock clutch at the mounting flange
>> where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like Alcoa wheels using stock studs
>> where no threads are showing past the nut. Don't want the fan flying off
at high
>> speed so I am going to take the clutch back out and switch to longer
bolts with
>> lock washers. The Hayden is not quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
>> Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar problem yet.
Maybe we
>> got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for me.
>>
>> Phil Swanson
>> 73 Canyonlands 23'
>>

>>
>> > (By the way, to install the
>> > 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud before you
>> > mount it to the water pump)
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: owner-gmcmotorhome
>> > > [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Billy Massey
>> > > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:16 PM
>> > > To: gmcmotorhome
>> > > Subject: GMC: Fan Clutch
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I went be boppin' into the local auto parts store that handles Heydon
>> > > clutches and said I wanted a 2797. A girl said sure thing. She came
back
>> > > with a nice looking blue box and I asked her how much she wanted for it.
>> > > She looked at a book and said $128.95. uhhhh, ain't that a bit much
for a
>> > > dern fan clutch? I admit, it's been quite a while since I've bought one,
>> > > but that seems about twice too high.
>> > >
>> > > I called Gateway a minute ago and they want $98 for theirs. I forgot to
>> > > ask what brand they was peddeling.
>> > >
>> > > Am I livin in the past or what?
>> > >
>> > > bdub
>> > > '76 Palm Beach
>> > > In The Heart o Texas
>> > > www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
>> > > icq # 202333
>> > >
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Dave,
All I can tell you is my experience. I have a 3/4" shaft and installed the
Hayden Engineering recommended clutch which is a NAPA 771303 (same
manufacturer as Hayden)(cost $60).. This clutch fits also a 5/8" shaft pump
using the bushing that comes with it. I understand that most of you have the
5/8" shaft; mine is an extra duty water pump with a 3/4" shaft. The NAPA
clutch does not make objectionable noises and I have no cooling problems even
on long steep grades (new oversize radiator and water pump, separate trany
cooler and Ragussa cooling pan) pulling my toad. Yes, I have the upgraded
water temp sender. IMHO a lot of the overheating problems are due to clogged
radiators, excess heat from the trany, poor driving habits, as well as the
clutch. They all add together.
Gary
'77 Kingsley
North Bend, Oregon Coast

> There's sure been a lot of info posted on this subject. Thanks Jim B.,
> Duane S., and Clarke S.
>
> I maintain a detailed listing of preferred parts for our particular coach
> to reduce the possibility of getting the wrong parts installed after a
> failure on the road, and have some question marks for "fan clutch".
>
> OK. Let's see if I have this straight..........
>
> Since I don't hear a roar when starting cold, and have never heard it when
> pulling grades (10,000') at full temperature, my fan clutch is not working
> and should be replaced (even if I've never overheated).
>
> On my '76 455, the Hayden part # for an OEM replacement clutch is 2705, and
> the # for a heavy duty one is 2747 (but it might "roar" more). Considering
> my lack of experience at over heating, I'm not even considering the 2797.
>
> Since I don't run hot, I'm inclined to have the 2705 installed (don't
> particularly want to hear any unnecessary noise). All this, of course,
> assumes I have a pump with a 5/8" shaft. Are the numbers different for
> pumps with 3/4" shafts?
>
> Sorry to stretch this thread so far (g), but want to get it right.
>
> TIA,
>
> ___________
> Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
> Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
There's sure been a lot of info posted on this subject. Thanks Jim B.,
Duane S., and Clarke S.

I maintain a detailed listing of preferred parts for our particular coach
to reduce the possibility of getting the wrong parts installed after a
failure on the road, and have some question marks for "fan clutch".

OK. Let's see if I have this straight..........

Since I don't hear a roar when starting cold, and have never heard it when
pulling grades (10,000') at full temperature, my fan clutch is not working
and should be replaced (even if I've never overheated).

On my '76 455, the Hayden part # for an OEM replacement clutch is 2705, and
the # for a heavy duty one is 2747 (but it might "roar" more). Considering
my lack of experience at over heating, I'm not even considering the 2797.

Since I don't run hot, I'm inclined to have the 2705 installed (don't
particularly want to hear any unnecessary noise). All this, of course,
assumes I have a pump with a 5/8" shaft. Are the numbers different for
pumps with 3/4" shafts?

Sorry to stretch this thread so far (g), but want to get it right.

TIA,

___________
Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*
 
Phil, I have a 403 CID engine, which has a one piece shroud. Until now, I
thought they were all the same. Thanks for the correction.
Scott Shean
78 Royale
Baton Rouge, LA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Phil Swanson
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 11:38 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Fan Clutch
>
>
> Scott, Not true, unless your set up is different than mine. I
> assembled my
> fan to the 2797 outside the GMC shroud (on the workbench) and
> then removed the
> four bolts mounting the rubber shroud, removed the band and
> spring and then
> removed the lower r/h engine to shroud mounting bracket for
> clearance and the
> assembly slid right in place (with some manipulating). However, I
> am having
> trouble with the four mounting studs in the water pump flange
> being long enough
> because the 2797 is much thicker than the stock clutch at the
> mounting flange
> where it bolts to the water pump. Kind of like Alcoa wheels using
> stock studs
> where no threads are showing past the nut. Don't want the fan
> flying off at high
> speed so I am going to take the clutch back out and switch to
> longer bolts with
> lock washers. The Hayden is not quite a "bolt up" in my GMC.
> Haven't run it yet to see if I have the constant roar
> problem yet. Maybe we
> got some bum dope on this being the best clutch, time will tell for me.
>
>
> Phil Swanson
> 73 Canyonlands 23'
>

>
> > (By the way, to install the
> > 2797, you must assemble it to the fan inside of the fan shroud
> before you
> > mount it to the water pump)
 
Excuse me, but if it ain't broke, why fix it?
Clark Searle

> There's sure been a lot of info posted on this subject. Thanks Jim B.,
> Duane S., and Clarke S.
>
> I maintain a detailed listing of preferred parts for our particular coach
> to reduce the possibility of getting the wrong parts installed after a
> failure on the road, and have some question marks for "fan clutch".
>
> OK. Let's see if I have this straight..........
>
> Since I don't hear a roar when starting cold, and have never heard it when
> pulling grades (10,000') at full temperature, my fan clutch is not working
> and should be replaced (even if I've never overheated).
>
> On my '76 455, the Hayden part # for an OEM replacement clutch is 2705, and
> the # for a heavy duty one is 2747 (but it might "roar" more). Considering
> my lack of experience at over heating, I'm not even considering the 2797.
>
> Since I don't run hot, I'm inclined to have the 2705 installed (don't
> particularly want to hear any unnecessary noise). All this, of course,
> assumes I have a pump with a 5/8" shaft. Are the numbers different for
> pumps with 3/4" shafts?
>
> Sorry to stretch this thread so far (g), but want to get it right.
>
> TIA,
>
> ___________
> Dave (& Dege), '76 Royale /_][__] [_] | "SR JAMES"
> Santa Barbara, CA *-O------OO--*