Engine Oil Leak (long)

peter brandt

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GMCers,

Just got back from what should have been a 3 day trip to Lake Powell. Left
Friday night, after about 150 miles on I 70, going up a long hill at 60mph
it started to smell like burned oil inside the coach. We pulled into a rest
area to check it out, engine oil was dripping from all over the transmission
pan, the starter and from the mufflers ( set off the smoke detector in the
back of the coach! ). No leaks at the front or the top of the engine,it
looks like the rear main seal is leaking.
Checked in the maintenance manual about replacing the "rope seal" ( sounds
like something right out of the "stone age" of automotive engineering ) -
are there any updated seals available? ( probably a stupid question, but we
work on European cars and haven't done a rope seal in years )
Who has the best seals for the 455?
I've been on GMCnet since December '99, haven't seen any posts about rear
main seal leaks - is this a rare failure? ( maybe the rope seal isn't all
that bad :-))
Has anyone replaced a rear main seal on his/her 100k mile engine?
Anything else I should do while the oilpan is off and the crank is out? ( I
guess it's a good time to do the timing chain )
All comments / suggestions are appreciated!
BTW, we spent the night in the rest area, checked and topped off the oil in
the morning ( had lost about 1qt ), turned around, pulled into Island Acres
State Park on the Colorado River, relaxed without thinking about the leak,
and drove home this morning. The leak doesn't seem quite as bad now, lost
only 1/2 quart on the way back. And the fridge I had problems with worked
fine all weekend!

Thanks,

Peter
77 Eleganza II
Colorado
 
The old rope seals were usually pretty good, I think. NAPA should have a kit
on there tool display for installing the rope seal without removing the
crankshaft.

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Brandt"
To: "GMCnet"
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:04 PM
Subject: GMC: Engine Oil Leak (long)

> GMCers,
>
> Just got back from what should have been a 3 day trip to Lake Powell. Left
> Friday night, after about 150 miles on I 70, going up a long hill at 60mph
> it started to smell like burned oil inside the coach. We pulled into a
rest
> area to check it out, engine oil was dripping from all over the
transmission
> pan, the starter and from the mufflers ( set off the smoke detector in the
> back of the coach! ). No leaks at the front or the top of the engine,it
> looks like the rear main seal is leaking.
> Checked in the maintenance manual about replacing the "rope seal" ( sounds
> like something right out of the "stone age" of automotive engineering ) -
> are there any updated seals available? ( probably a stupid question, but
we
> work on European cars and haven't done a rope seal in years )
> Who has the best seals for the 455?
> I've been on GMCnet since December '99, haven't seen any posts about rear
> main seal leaks - is this a rare failure? ( maybe the rope seal isn't all
> that bad :-))
> Has anyone replaced a rear main seal on his/her 100k mile engine?
> Anything else I should do while the oilpan is off and the crank is out?
I
> guess it's a good time to do the timing chain )
> All comments / suggestions are appreciated!
> BTW, we spent the night in the rest area, checked and topped off the oil
in
> the morning ( had lost about 1qt ), turned around, pulled into Island
Acres
> State Park on the Colorado River, relaxed without thinking about the leak,
> and drove home this morning. The leak doesn't seem quite as bad now, lost
> only 1/2 quart on the way back. And the fridge I had problems with worked
> fine all weekend!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
> 77 Eleganza II
> Colorado
>
 
Peter,
Use the lip seal listed for a 460 ford.
But, more importantly, what caused it to
start leaking suddenly? I would look real
hard at the thrust main.
Gary Kosier
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Brandt
To: GMCnet
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 8:04 PM
Subject: GMC: Engine Oil Leak (long)

> GMCers,
>
> Just got back from what should have been a 3 day trip to Lake Powell. Left
> Friday night, after about 150 miles on I 70, going up a long hill at 60mph
> it started to smell like burned oil inside the coach. We pulled into a
rest
> area to check it out, engine oil was dripping from all over the
transmission
> pan, the starter and from the mufflers ( set off the smoke detector in the
> back of the coach! ). No leaks at the front or the top of the engine,it
> looks like the rear main seal is leaking.
> Checked in the maintenance manual about replacing the "rope seal" ( sounds
> like something right out of the "stone age" of automotive engineering ) -
> are there any updated seals available? ( probably a stupid question, but
we
> work on European cars and haven't done a rope seal in years )
> Who has the best seals for the 455?
> I've been on GMCnet since December '99, haven't seen any posts about rear
> main seal leaks - is this a rare failure? ( maybe the rope seal isn't all
> that bad :-))
> Has anyone replaced a rear main seal on his/her 100k mile engine?
> Anything else I should do while the oilpan is off and the crank is out?
I
> guess it's a good time to do the timing chain )
> All comments / suggestions are appreciated!
> BTW, we spent the night in the rest area, checked and topped off the oil
in
> the morning ( had lost about 1qt ), turned around, pulled into Island
Acres
> State Park on the Colorado River, relaxed without thinking about the leak,
> and drove home this morning. The leak doesn't seem quite as bad now, lost
> only 1/2 quart on the way back. And the fridge I had problems with worked
> fine all weekend!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter
> 77 Eleganza II
> Colorado
>
 
In 93 when I got my coach 455 she ran dry with one quart in 1200 mi. for
the first 2000 mi. around Calif./Ariz. including hard pull up grades.
Then on a run from Lodi to Monterray she lost 2 to 3 quarts from the rear
seal. After that I checked the oil ever 3 hours of running and often topped
it up by half a quart.
I asked Cinnabar to replace the seal. They said they hadn't had very good
results doing that with the engine in.
I spoke to Winterfeldt about 94/5. He said that on his rebuilds he was
putting in Ford 460 Neoprene seals that were working well.

I asked Alex Sirum to replace mine with Neoprene during the rebuild in 97.
He had intended to use rope. He said there was an aftermarket neoprene seal
available for the 455 without going to the Ford seal.He found that someone
had worked on the engine and had only put in half the rope needed.

Mine hasn't leaked since the rebuild anywhere. I hate leakers. It seems that
most people that visit me with non GMCs leave stains on my drive. ( A Pet
Peeve). I used to take a sheet of cardboard with me when visiting with mine
before it was fixed. It is difficult to totally clean asphalt and even more
difficult with concrete.

You should calibrate your dip stick at the next oil change. An extra quart
can make the situation worse.
I leaned towards the Neoprene thinking that it was probably more foolproof
to install and if it did leak many years later due to wear the use of a
chemical softner may get it to awell enough to fix it without pulling the
engine. Just my thoughts.
Wayne