End of RVing as We Know It?
- Thread starter Ken H.
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Yup, i talked to a few people in the industry and they said they cant keep stuff on the lot or get them fast enough. Not only is it become the trend
but have you tried to book a site lately? Go see whats available at your National or State {Provincial Park} you'll be lucky to get a none serviced
site big enough. Oh and the prices have sky rocketed....i was looking over our travel plans for August [yes like most we had to alter them] and
staying at a KOA for the night will cost you 85.00$ Canadian to START, going all the way up to 110.00$ 8o .... i travel for a living and can get a
hotel room for that price.
If this keeps up RV'ing in your yard is going to be the only thing to do......
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
but have you tried to book a site lately? Go see whats available at your National or State {Provincial Park} you'll be lucky to get a none serviced
site big enough. Oh and the prices have sky rocketed....i was looking over our travel plans for August [yes like most we had to alter them] and
staying at a KOA for the night will cost you 85.00$ Canadian to START, going all the way up to 110.00$ 8o .... i travel for a living and can get a
hotel room for that price.
If this keeps up RV'ing in your yard is going to be the only thing to do......
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
We recently sold our '97 Newmar Mountain Aire (which replaced our '78 GMC Royale) and bought a 2004 Country Coach 40' DP. Ours sold in less than a week for full asking price, had 4 or 5 other very interested parties. Several other DPs we were interested in sold very quickly; we talked to several dealers who said they were having a hard time keeping motorhomes in the $35-50K range on the lot.
It's not just campgrounds seeing increased usage. We may not even de-winterize either of the boats this year. They've been shutting down the lake we usually go to due to over capacity. We've been going there for 18-20yrs and have never seen this happen. We're told the line starts before the 5am boat ramp opening; we'd have to leave the house before 3:30am.
I had no issue getting a site at a KOA when bringing the new DP home about 3wks ago, pricing did not seem to be increased, about $50 for the night. However, I stayed at the KOA in Grants, NM, not a high demand area.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell,
1984
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Yup, i talked to a few people in the industry and they said they cant keep stuff on the lot or get them fast enough. Not only is it become the trend
but have you tried to book a site lately? Go see whats available at your National or State {Provincial Park} you'll be lucky to get a none serviced
site big enough. Oh and the prices have sky rocketed....i was looking over our travel plans for August [yes like most we had to alter them] and
staying at a KOA for the night will cost you 85.00$ Canadian to START, going all the way up to 110.00$ 8o .... i travel for a living and can get a
hotel room for that price.
If this keeps up RV'ing in your yard is going to be the only thing to do......
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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It's not just campgrounds seeing increased usage. We may not even de-winterize either of the boats this year. They've been shutting down the lake we usually go to due to over capacity. We've been going there for 18-20yrs and have never seen this happen. We're told the line starts before the 5am boat ramp opening; we'd have to leave the house before 3:30am.
I had no issue getting a site at a KOA when bringing the new DP home about 3wks ago, pricing did not seem to be increased, about $50 for the night. However, I stayed at the KOA in Grants, NM, not a high demand area.
“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”
― George Orwell,
1984
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Yup, i talked to a few people in the industry and they said they cant keep stuff on the lot or get them fast enough. Not only is it become the trend
but have you tried to book a site lately? Go see whats available at your National or State {Provincial Park} you'll be lucky to get a none serviced
site big enough. Oh and the prices have sky rocketed....i was looking over our travel plans for August [yes like most we had to alter them] and
staying at a KOA for the night will cost you 85.00$ Canadian to START, going all the way up to 110.00$ 8o .... i travel for a living and can get a
hotel room for that price.
If this keeps up RV'ing in your yard is going to be the only thing to do......
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
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Ken,
Clearly an RV is an essential (at least for me) and more people are realizing the benefits, and flexibility of use and ownership. The coming
campground capacity inadequacy was predicted more than a few years ago in an FMCA magazine article. Unfortunately it was all too accurate.
There's a real estate opportunity in building RV parks to meet the demand, and I'm sure that will happen. Of equal if not greater concern is the
explosion in interest in boondocking. Quartzsite and the vast surrounding desert can deal with a large seasonal influx of people "wanting to get away
from it all for FREE!", but most places will see deterioration in elbow room, quiet and an increase in trash. This worries me.
Some popular state parks have daily caps or lotteries for visitors. Will this happen for BLM and state trust lands? Time will tell...
Richard
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Clearly an RV is an essential (at least for me) and more people are realizing the benefits, and flexibility of use and ownership. The coming
campground capacity inadequacy was predicted more than a few years ago in an FMCA magazine article. Unfortunately it was all too accurate.
There's a real estate opportunity in building RV parks to meet the demand, and I'm sure that will happen. Of equal if not greater concern is the
explosion in interest in boondocking. Quartzsite and the vast surrounding desert can deal with a large seasonal influx of people "wanting to get away
from it all for FREE!", but most places will see deterioration in elbow room, quiet and an increase in trash. This worries me.
Some popular state parks have daily caps or lotteries for visitors. Will this happen for BLM and state trust lands? Time will tell...
Richard
--
'77 Birchaven TZE...777;
'76 Palm Beach with 18,477 verified miles;
‘76 Edgemonte
As the other reader of RV Travel, I read Chuck's article as well.
I personally believe that the general population of those diving into RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
complications and
continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market upside down in not very many years.
While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks at my
logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote back
asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So, I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump and take
on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only need to locate those services and there are many places other than "for real
money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of options there
too.
Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
I personally believe that the general population of those diving into RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
complications and
continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market upside down in not very many years.
While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks at my
logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote back
asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So, I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump and take
on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only need to locate those services and there are many places other than "for real
money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of options there
too.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
The facet of the problem not much addressed by that article is the growing
"Workamper" population. I've just started reading the book "Nomadland" by
Jessica Bruder, which my daughter ordered from Amazon for me. Many of you
would find it interesting to read intimate details of many who are living
in vans, motorhomes, trailers, etc., while trying to make ends meet as
campground hosts, Amazon itinerant warehouse workers, etc. We've brushed
shoulders with a few of them, but I doubt that most of us really understand
their lives.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:18 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
> As the other reader of RV Travel, I read Chuck's article as well.
>
> I personally believe that the general population of those diving into
> RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
> complications and
> continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market
> upside down in not very many years.
>
> While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we
> travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks
> at my
> logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple
> for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote back
> asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So,
> I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump and take
> on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only
> need to locate those services and there are many places other than "for real
> money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and
> planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of options there
> too.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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"Workamper" population. I've just started reading the book "Nomadland" by
Jessica Bruder, which my daughter ordered from Amazon for me. Many of you
would find it interesting to read intimate details of many who are living
in vans, motorhomes, trailers, etc., while trying to make ends meet as
campground hosts, Amazon itinerant warehouse workers, etc. We've brushed
shoulders with a few of them, but I doubt that most of us really understand
their lives.
Ken H.
On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 9:18 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <
> As the other reader of RV Travel, I read Chuck's article as well.
>
> I personally believe that the general population of those diving into
> RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
> complications and
> continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market
> upside down in not very many years.
>
> While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we
> travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks
> at my
> logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple
> for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote back
> asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So,
> I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump and take
> on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only
> need to locate those services and there are many places other than "for real
> money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and
> planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of options there
> too.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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> As the other reader of RV Travel, I read Chuck's article as well.
>
> I personally believe that the general population of those diving into RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
> complications and
> continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market upside down in not very many years.
>
> While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks at
> my logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote
> back asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So, I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump
> and take on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only need to locate those services and there are many places other
> than "for real money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of
> options there too.
>
> Matt
Matt, are you mostly boondocking? I wanted to get out this weekend (Fathers Day) and good luck to me. No campground, whether State Park, COE, or
private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of land somewhere to park and create my own space.
--
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
>
> I personally believe that the general population of those diving into RVing have no concept of the complete process. When they get to the
> complications and
> continuing costs, I expect to see a lot of high end As on the market upside down in not very many years.
>
> While I will admit that there is reason for some concern, the way we travel will not change very much. This can clearly understood when looks at
> my logs. A friend (real friend not FB version) asked me to send him a couple for the area has was considering. I shipped him several. He wrote
> back asking if we were actually boycotting commercial/private campgrounds. So, I explained that if we take reasonable care, we only need to dump
> and take on potable water every third or fourth day. That being the case, we only need to locate those services and there are many places other
> than "for real money" crampgrounds to find these. It does require some thinking and planning. As for where to get a quiet rest, there are lots of
> options there too.
>
> Matt
Matt, are you mostly boondocking? I wanted to get out this weekend (Fathers Day) and good luck to me. No campground, whether State Park, COE, or
private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of land somewhere to park and create my own space.
--
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
COEs in Texas are booked on weekend's so we are taking advantage from
Sunday thru Thursdays.
bdub. Living the life!
> I wanted to get out this weekend (Fathers Day) and good luck to me. No
> campground, whether State Park, COE, or
> private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of
> land somewhere to park and create my own space.
>
>
Sunday thru Thursdays.
bdub. Living the life!
> I wanted to get out this weekend (Fathers Day) and good luck to me. No
> campground, whether State Park, COE, or
> private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of
> land somewhere to park and create my own space.
>
>
> Matt, are you mostly boondocking? I wanted to get out this weekend (Fathers Day) and good luck to me. No campground, whether State Park, COE, or
> private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of land somewhere to park and create my own space.
Larry,
When in Travel mode, we do a lot of "BlackTopping" and "LotDocking". If we are away from most of civilization (preferred) I will look for any sort of
flat fire trail or logging road. We have seldom failed at this. Places that have been opened up for service are actually pretty common. Anyplace
that the COE or local power company has worked will have these. They can often be spotted with a Google Earth search. They just look like the forest
has been mowed there.
What you might also do, is find a realtor's office. In rural areas they often have an accessible board with listing sheets. Look for the Acreage For
Sale board. Pull several. Those often have a map or good address and the lot (mine does) may have a place to pull in off the road.
Good Luck.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> private, has a space for a few days. I am actually looking for a piece of land somewhere to park and create my own space.
Larry,
When in Travel mode, we do a lot of "BlackTopping" and "LotDocking". If we are away from most of civilization (preferred) I will look for any sort of
flat fire trail or logging road. We have seldom failed at this. Places that have been opened up for service are actually pretty common. Anyplace
that the COE or local power company has worked will have these. They can often be spotted with a Google Earth search. They just look like the forest
has been mowed there.
What you might also do, is find a realtor's office. In rural areas they often have an accessible board with listing sheets. Look for the Acreage For
Sale board. Pull several. Those often have a map or good address and the lot (mine does) may have a place to pull in off the road.
Good Luck.
Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
