electro level

walter m. drew

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I have Electro Level II in 78 Royale. Everything works fine until I put
it in auto and it leaks down to zero in under two minutes. Driver's
side about 40% faster than passenger side. Walter
 
It would be interesting to see how many in this group
have ELECTRO LEVEL I and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions?

How many were produced per production year?
How many does Dave have in his register?
Herm

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My understanding is that the switch from ELECTRO-LEVEL I to ELECTRO-LEVEL II
took plane during the 1978 model year. I have E-L II and my production
number is 872.

Scott Shean
Baton Rouge, LA
Royale 78

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From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of herm beeck
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:39 AM
To: gmc mail list
Subject: GMC: electro level

It would be interesting to see how many in this group
have ELECTRO LEVEL I and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions?

How many were produced per production year?
How many does Dave have in his register?
Herm

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Accoridng to my discussion with Wes Cauglin very few Electro level 11
systems were built.

>It would be interesting to see how many in this group
>have ELECTRO LEVEL I and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions?
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>How many were produced per production year?
>How many does Dave have in his register?
>Herm
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>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Walter M. Drew
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:17 AM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: electro level
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> I have Electro Level II in 78 Royale. Everything works fine until I put
> it in auto and it leaks down to zero in under two minutes. Driver's
> side about 40% faster than passenger side. Walter
>

Walter, please excuse the length of this reply, but I think I can offer some
suggestions.

I recently went through my system trying to correct a leak-down problem in
general, and a malfunctioning level control on one side. In the process, I
learned a lot about the operation of the Electro-Level II system.

Fortunately, the system is quite simple. There are two compressors with
built-in exhaust valves. One for each bellows. Each compressor/exhaust
valve is isolated from its bellows with a solenoid valve that is actuated by
the ignition switch. This "locks" the pressure in the bellows when the
coach is parked. Each compressor/exhaust valve is controlled by the manual
switches when the system is set to "Hold", and by the level sensors attached
to the rear suspension arms when the system is in "Auto".

If you are having leak-down only in the "Auto" setting, then the problem
should be with the level sensors system. I would suggest that you check the
following:
1. Verify that the sensor arms are properly attached to the rear suspension
control arms.
2. If connected, are the adjusting screws tight and adjusted properly?
3. If everything "looks" OK, disconnect one side, and verify that the sensor
arm rotates freely. I had a problem with one of mine, but I was able to
correct it and save the $300+ cost of replacing it as the manual suggests.
4. If the lever rotates freely, see if your compressor/exhaust solenoid
respond to your manipulation of the arm. Note that there is a 14 - 28
second time delay built into the circuitry of the level sensor. If the
system responds, you should be able to fix the problem by correcting and/or
adjusting whatever was amiss.
5. If the system does not respond correctly, then I would suspect a faulty
sensor (hard to believe that both would malfunction in the same way) or an
electrical problem. If you try to track down an electrical problem, be
aware that the sensor provides a "ground" circuit for the
compressor/solenoid solenoids, and a short in the control circuit could be
to blame. The GMC Maintenance Manual X-7725 has the wiring diagram for the
EL II system.

Incidentally, the solenoid valve between the bellows and the compressor on
my coach was installed backwards. This was suggested to me by Bob at
Gateway. The GMC Manual specifically calls for the "arrow" on the valve to
be pointed to the bellows. I checked with the manufacturer of the valve and
verified that Bob is correct. The "arrow" is to indicate the direction that
pressure should be applied to the valve, so that the pressure will assist,
rather than oppose the internal spring. In our application, the "pressure",
when the valve is closed, is in the bellows, not the compressor. Therefore,
the "arrow" should point to the bellows. It appears to me that the same
solenoid is also installed in the Electro-Level I systems. If so, they too
may be installed backwards.

Walter, if this helps, and you have further questions, please let me know.
Good hunting.

Scott Shean
Baton Rouge, LA
78 Royale
 
In my recent response to a message from Walter Drew, I said:

> Therefore, the "arrow" should point to the bellows.

I meant to say that the "arrow" should point AWAY FROM the bellows.
Please excuse. Its easy to see why the GMC Manual and the installers got it
wrong.

Scott Shean
Baton Rouge, LA
78 Royale
 
Scott, Muchas gracias for all the information on the Electro Level II.
I dream about responses like that. Yeah for GMCNET!

Walter 78 Royale

ps The driver's side pumps up 40% faster than the passenger side.
Someone has moved the solenoids to a bracket above the pumps. I had
them out when replacing the fittings and air lines. I will check the
arrows first. WMD
 
Issue 47 of the GMC Motorhomes International Newsletter, says that "1978
motorhomes as early as serial number 742 had such a system that means that
around 1037 motorhomes had Electro Level II. ...almost 9% of the total ..."

Paul Bartz

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 4:08 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: electro level

Accoridng to my discussion with Wes Cauglin very few Electro level 11
systems were built.

It would be interesting to see how many in this group have ELECTRO LEVEL I
and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions?
How many were produced per production year?
How many does Dave have in his register?
Herm
 
I have the electro level II and have had excelent results with it. No leak
down problems, but the compressors are getting a little slow. I did have a
ride height sensor go out and at the time no new ones were available. I
went to a junk yard and got the sensor from a Cady that had the air and the
compressor. I am still carrying the compressor as a spare and had to
rearange the wireing harnes in the GMC to match the sensor. The used sensor
is not a perfect solution since it has a built in timer to prevent over
inflating the air shocks on the Cady. This means that I need to cycle the
manual auto switch several times to reset the timer untill it reaches ride
height. I have used this for almost 8 years with no problem.
 
Al Chernoff
77 eleganza II
Electro level I (I think)

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> have ELECTRO LEVEL I and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions? >>
>
> My 78 Birchaven has Electro Level II.
>
> Roger Umber
> Albuquerque, NM
 
>It would be interesting to see how many in this group
>have ELECTRO LEVEL I and ELECTRO LEVEL II suspensions?
>
>How many were produced per production year?
>How many does Dave have in his register?
>Herm
>
I have the changeover TO ElectroLevel 1 but not from EL I to EL II. If
someone knows, tell me the TZE number where the change was made and I'll
stuff it in with the rest of the Trivia I carry.

FYI, my 1977 TZE167V102359 has EL I. Mine obviously is a very late 1977
produced coach.

David Lee Greenberg F22009
GMC Motorhome Registry
200 MacFarlane Drive PH4
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
 
Dave:

You must have missed what I wrote about Electro Level II last week:

Issue 47 of the GMC Motorhomes International Newsletter, says that "1978
motorhomes as early as serial number 742 had such a system that means that
around 1037 motorhomes had Electro Level II. ...almost 9% of the total ..."

Paul Bartz

From: RickStapls [mailto:RickStapls]
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: electro level

In a message dated 2/7/99 7:27:21 PM MST, davegreenberg1

I have the changeover TO ElectroLevel 1 but not from EL I to EL II. If
someone knows, tell me the TZE number where the change was made and I'll
stuff it in with the rest of the Trivia I carry.

Dave,

FWIW, my 78Z parts book makes reference to "1978" model year under both air
suspension plumbing, and under compressors. The implication seems to me
that EL II was used on all 1978 coaches, and only on 1978s. (Maybe this is
too simplistic??)
 
I have the 260th '78 built. it is a 'Transmode' and has the E-1 system (One
compresor, mechanical leveling valves).

>
>> I have the changeover TO ElectroLevel 1 but not from EL I to EL II. If
>> someone knows, tell me the TZE number where the change was made and I'll
>> stuff it in with the rest of the Trivia I carry.
>
>Dave,
> FWIW, my 78Z parts book makes reference to "1978" model year under both
air
>suspension plumbing, and under compressors. The implication seems to me that
>EL II was used on all 1978 coaches, and only on 1978s. (Maybe this is too
>simplistic??)
>HTH.
>
>Rick Staples
>'75 Eleganza (NO Electro Level, thank goodness!)
>Louisville, CO
>