EL-2 suspension system.

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Dave:

What did the Montana pump serve and where is it located??

Paul Bartz

From: owner-gmcmotorhome
[mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Dave Mumert
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:47 PM

Those pumps were also used on the Montana van so I assume they are still
available from GM. I think the Thomas pump(s) would be cheaper and would
certainly raise the coach a bunch faster.

You can get away with using a single pump for the ELII but if you do you can
only do one thing at a time (lower 1 or both side, or raise 1 or both sides,
but you cannot lower one side while raising the other). I have a schematic
for this if you want it. It required a total of 6 relays (2 extra) and one
extra solenoid valve. The relays are all the $4.00 auxiliary lamp relays,
the new valve would be similar to the existing hold valves.

I don't know if the compartment is long enough to hold two 317 pumps on the
floor so you may have to mount one on the floor and the other above it on
the wall. There are some drawings at http://www.mumert.com/ELevel2.htm for
upgrades to the ELII to connect the hold valve so it is only active while
the system is raising or lowering.

The GM pump has a solenoid valve inside the pump to release air for
lowering. If you used the Thomas pump you would need to Tee in lowering
valves between the pump and the hold valve.

The local auto recylers sell those pumps for $9.00 Canadian with a 90 day
gaurantee. If you want some tips on how to find good ones just let me know.

From:
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:44 PM

> Can anybody tell me if the delco air compressors used on the Electro
level system 2 are available? If so, is there a substitute/part number for a
> replacement compressor? Has anybody replaced these compressors with the
> Thomas 317?
 
Hi Scott
Those pumps were also used on the Montana van so I assume they are still
available from GM. I think the Thomas pump(s) would be cheaper and a would
certainly raise the coach a bunch faster.

You can get away with using a single pump for the ELII but if you do you can
only do one thing at a time (lower 1 or both side, or raise 1 or both sides,
but you cannot lower one side while raising the other). I have a schematic
for this if you want it. It required a total of 6 relays (2 extra) and one
extra solenoid valve. The relays are all the $4.00 auxiliary lamp relays,
the new valve would be similar to the existing hold valves.

I don't know if the compartment is long enough to hold two 317 pumps on the
floor so you may have to mount one on the floor and the other above it one
the wall. There are some drawings at http://www.mumert.com/ELevel2.htm for
upgrades to the ELII to connect the hold valve so it is only active while
the system is raising or lowering.

The GM pump has a solenoid valve inside the pump to release air for
lowering. If you used the Thomas pump you would need to Tee in lowering
valves between the pump and the hold valve.

The local auto recylers sell those pumps for $9.00 Canadian with a 90 day
gaurantee. If you want some tips on how to find good ones just let me know.

Dave Mumert
dave

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:44 PM
Subject: GMC: EL-2 suspension system.

> Can anybody tell me if the delco air compressors used on the Electro
level
> system 2 are available? If so, is there a substitute/part number for a
> replacement compressor? Has anybody replaced these compressors with the
> Thomas 317?
>
> Scott NEHODA'S
> BACK YARD
>
 
Hi Paul

I have never owned a Montana, but I believe certain models had air bags as
booster springs on the back.

GM had a good time hiding pumps. On some cars they are mounted above the
rear axle, but normally they are mounted in the engine bay. Some Caddys
have them so well hidden I have never been able to find them, I am
beginning to think the air shocks and ride height sensors were put on these
cars as a cruel joke for people who make a hobby of stripping old cars.

Dave Mumert
dave

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Bartz"
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: RE: GMC: EL-2 suspension system.

> Dave:
>
> What did the Montana pump serve and where is it located??
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Dave Mumert
> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2000 11:47 PM
>
> Those pumps were also used on the Montana van so I assume they are still
> available from GM. I think the Thomas pump(s) would be cheaper and would
> certainly raise the coach a bunch faster.
>
> You can get away with using a single pump for the ELII but if you do you
can
> only do one thing at a time (lower 1 or both side, or raise 1 or both
sides,
> but you cannot lower one side while raising the other). I have a
schematic
> for this if you want it. It required a total of 6 relays (2 extra) and one
> extra solenoid valve. The relays are all the $4.00 auxiliary lamp relays,
> the new valve would be similar to the existing hold valves.
>
> I don't know if the compartment is long enough to hold two 317 pumps on
the
> floor so you may have to mount one on the floor and the other above it on
> the wall. There are some drawings at http://www.mumert.com/ELevel2.htm
for
> upgrades to the ELII to connect the hold valve so it is only active while
> the system is raising or lowering.
>
> The GM pump has a solenoid valve inside the pump to release air for
> lowering. If you used the Thomas pump you would need to Tee in lowering
> valves between the pump and the hold valve.
>
> The local auto recylers sell those pumps for $9.00 Canadian with a 90 day
> gaurantee. If you want some tips on how to find good ones just let me
know.
>
>
> From:
> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 8:44 PM
>
> > Can anybody tell me if the delco air compressors used on the Electro
> level system 2 are available? If so, is there a substitute/part number
for a
> > replacement compressor? Has anybody replaced these compressors with
the
> > Thomas 317?
>
 
Hi Scott
I am just an engineering technologist.
Are there any Pick-a-Part style auto-wreckers near you? It would be cheaper
to get a used pump, and would be quicker to replace.

Dave Mumert
dave

- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2000 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: EL-2 suspension system.

> In a message dated 6/22/2000 11:48:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>
> > I think the Thomas pump(s) would be cheaper and a would
> > certainly raise the coach a bunch faster.
>
> Thanks Dave!
> Do you think if a person just needed one pump to be replaced( the other
> works) on the EL-2, the Thomas would be acceptable as a replacement of the
> delco?
>
> I went to the website, http://www.mumert.com/ELevel2.htm , nice job with
the
> diagrams. Unfortunately, I am the worlds worst when it comes to
> understanding electrical diagrams:(. Are you an electrical engineer?
> Your diagrams certainly look top notch!
>
> Scott
>
>
>