Duracool

[Bruce Hart]

Seems like the EPA has changed the rules on the purchase of Duracool.
From the Duracool Web Site:

Effective January 1, 2018, the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is requiring that the purchaser of this refrigerant
is in possession of an AC certification card (608 certification for HVAC) or a signed resale agreement if the purchaser is purchasing the
refrigerant for eventual resale.

If you are an end user, then you must show evidence that at least one technician within your company is properly certified.

If you are a wholesaler that sells refrigerant for resale you are legally responsible for ensuring that your customers fit into one of the categories
of allowed purchasers under the sales restriction. Although the regulation does not specify precautions that wholesalers must take to verify the
intent of individuals purchasing refrigerant, EPA recommends that wholesalers obtain a signed statement from the purchaser indicating that he or she
is purchasing the refrigerant only for eventual resale to certified technicians.

This document must be sent to info @ duracool.com and received before your order will be released and shipped

Resale Document is available Here
--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co

 

[john phillips]

Do we have to go to Canada to buy this stuff?

> Seems like the EPA has changed the rules on the purchase of Duracool.
> From the Duracool Web Site:
>
> Effective January 1, 2018, the United States Environmental Protection
> Agency (EPA) is requiring that the purchaser of this refrigerant
> is in possession of an AC certification card (608 certification for HVAC)
> or a signed resale agreement if the purchaser is purchasing the
> refrigerant for eventual resale.
>
> If you are an end user, then you must show evidence that at least one
> technician within your company is properly certified.
>
> If you are a wholesaler that sells refrigerant for resale you are legally
> responsible for ensuring that your customers fit into one of the categories
> of allowed purchasers under the sales restriction. Although the regulation
> does not specify precautions that wholesalers must take to verify the
> intent of individuals purchasing refrigerant, EPA recommends that
> wholesalers obtain a signed statement from the purchaser indicating that he
> or she
> is purchasing the refrigerant only for eventual resale to certified
> technicians.
>
> This document must be sent to info @ duracool.com and received before
> your order will be released and shipped
>
> Resale Document is available Here
> --
> Bruce Hart
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
>
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[dave stragand1]

A few years back, I got the EPA card so I could stock up on R12 on eBay. The certification was online, open-book, fairly quick, and only cost $10.

The questions are mostly common sense, and all of the answers can be found in the pamphlet that you get before the test.

Needing the EPA card is a bit of a hassle, but usually I find if the government wants to block me from getting something, it’s probably the best available product for my needs.

The same card that allows you to get Duracell also allows you to get Freon. Looks like the R12 and Freon are nearly the same price on eBay at present, so the card allows you to easily buy both.

>
> Do we have to go to Canada to buy this stuff?
>

>>
>> Seems like the EPA has changed the rules on the purchase of Duracool.
>> From the Duracool Web Site:
>>
>> Effective January 1, 2018, the United States Environmental Protection
>> Agency (EPA) is requiring that the purchaser of this refrigerant
>> is in possession of an AC certification card (608 certification for HVAC)
>> or a signed resale agreement if the purchaser is purchasing the
>> refrigerant for eventual resale.
>>
>> If you are an end user, then you must show evidence that at least one
>> technician within your company is properly certified.
>>
>> If you are a wholesaler that sells refrigerant for resale you are legally
>> responsible for ensuring that your customers fit into one of the categories
>> of allowed purchasers under the sales restriction. Although the regulation
>> does not specify precautions that wholesalers must take to verify the
>> intent of individuals purchasing refrigerant, EPA recommends that
>> wholesalers obtain a signed statement from the purchaser indicating that he
>> or she
>> is purchasing the refrigerant only for eventual resale to certified
>> technicians.
>>
>> This document must be sent to info @ duracool.com and received before
>> your order will be released and shipped
>>
>> Resale Document is available Here
>> --
>> Bruce Hart
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Milliken, Co
>>
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>
>
>
> --
>
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[Ken B]

Lots of other brands if necessary. Also the certification was nothing. I took it years ago and mailed it in. I never needed it for anything. I do
not know if I still have it around here or not.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[john r. lebetski]

Section 608? I thought section 609 was R12 mobile automotive class. Maybe only if you intend to use it in residential as R22 replacement ?? I have
an MVAC EPA card and number and it says section 609 on it.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

 

[john r. lebetski]

Anyway, the good thing is section 609 is a one time thing never needs renew. There are providers on line where you log on and get the study materials.
Then pay your fee and take online test in a timed out period. If you don't study in advance you won't pass in the time allowed. It is an "open book "
test but you won't have time to complete if you don't preread. I would have had 100% except for a "trick" question. "An automotve technician must
repair a found leak on an R12 system before adding R12". Answer was false. Got me on that one. It was a good one half day process and learning
experience.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

 

[emerystora]

Bruce
John is correct. Section 608 only applies to residential, stationary air conditioning.
Can you please check your source and see if there is any reference to Section 609 (mobile use).

I have purchased Duracool HC12a since the first of the year without having to provide any certificate.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> Section 608? I thought section 609 was R12 mobile automotive class. Maybe only if you intend to use it in residential as R22 replacement ?? I have
> an MVAC EPA card and number and it says section 609 on it.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Woodstock, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
>
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[dave stragand1]

I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/shoppingcart.html

It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22 replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase their R12 replacement.

-Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode

 

[robert mueller]

G'day,

Last night after reading this thread I went to:

http://www.frostycool.com/

And ordered two cases (2 x 12 cans) of Frosty Cool which is the SAME formulation as Dura Cool.

I received the following automated response from Frost Cool:

*****************************************************************************************************************
Thanks for Your Order Your order ID is #9925.

Shipping Address
Rob Mueller
c/o John Sharpe
25461 Ramrock Drive
Porter, Texas 77365
United States

Your Order Contains...
FrostyCool 12a Refrigerant "18 oz Equivalent"
1 case (12 cans) Replacement for R134a
12xCans-FC12a
2 @ $49.95 USD
Subtotal: $99.90 USD
Shipping: $39.90 USD
Grand Total: $139.80 USD

*****************************************************************************************************************

Dividing $139.80 by 24 comes to $5.83 per can which is cheaper than Dura Cool. John Sharpe and I serviced the dash air in my Avion with Frosty cool about 4 years ago and it still cools just fine.

We also service my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the same time and the results are the same.

I will let the GMCnet know when (and if) the order arrives.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Dave Stragand
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool

I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/shoppingcart.html

It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22 replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase their R12 replacement.

-Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode
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[Ken B]

Wow, They tightened up the testing. When I took it in the early 90's my friend that owned a chain of auto parts stores had the applications, the
tests, and the answers. You filled out the app and the test. Then mailed it somewhere. I do not remember if there was a fee. In a month or so you
got a certificate in the mail. Everybody scored 100%
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana

 

[robert mueller]

G'day,

Two cases of Frosty Cool arrived this afternoon. I did not fill out any paperwork for the EPA.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:42 AM
To: 'gmclist'
Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Duracool

G'day,

Last night after reading this thread I went to:

http://www.frostycool.com/

And ordered two cases (2 x 12 cans) of Frosty Cool which is the SAME formulation as Dura Cool.

I received the following automated response from Frost Cool:

*****************************************************************************************************************
Thanks for Your Order Your order ID is #9925.

Shipping Address
Rob Mueller
c/o John Sharpe
25461 Ramrock Drive
Porter, Texas 77365
United States

Your Order Contains...
FrostyCool 12a Refrigerant "18 oz Equivalent"
1 case (12 cans) Replacement for R134a
12xCans-FC12a
2 @ $49.95 USD
Subtotal: $99.90 USD
Shipping: $39.90 USD
Grand Total: $139.80 USD

*****************************************************************************************************************

Dividing $139.80 by 24 comes to $5.83 per can which is cheaper than Dura Cool. John Sharpe and I serviced the dash air in my Avion with Frosty cool about 4 years ago and it still cools just fine.

We also service my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the same time and the results are the same.

I will let the GMCnet know when (and if) the order arrives.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Dave Stragand
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool

I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/shoppingcart.html

It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22 replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase their R12 replacement.

-Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode

 

[emerystora]

You don’t have to. It didn’t apply to automotive refrigerant.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> G'day,
>
> Two cases of Frosty Cool arrived this afternoon. I did not fill out any paperwork for the EPA.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:42 AM
> To: 'gmclist'
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Duracool
>
> G'day,
>
> Last night after reading this thread I went to:
>
> http://www.frostycool.com/
>
> And ordered two cases (2 x 12 cans) of Frosty Cool which is the SAME formulation as Dura Cool.
>
> I received the following automated response from Frost Cool:
>
> *****************************************************************************************************************
> Thanks for Your Order Your order ID is #9925.
>
> Shipping Address
> Rob Mueller
> c/o John Sharpe
> 25461 Ramrock Drive
> Porter, Texas 77365
> United States
>
> Your Order Contains...
> FrostyCool 12a Refrigerant "18 oz Equivalent"
> 1 case (12 cans) Replacement for R134a
> 12xCans-FC12a
> 2 @ $49.95 USD
> Subtotal: $99.90 USD
> Shipping: $39.90 USD
> Grand Total: $139.80 USD
>
> *****************************************************************************************************************
>
> Dividing $139.80 by 24 comes to $5.83 per can which is cheaper than Dura Cool. John Sharpe and I serviced the dash air in my Avion with Frosty cool about 4 years ago and it still cools just fine.
>
> We also service my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the same time and the results are the same.
>
> I will let the GMCnet know when (and if) the order arrives.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Dave Stragand
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool
>
> I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/shoppingcart.html
>
> It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22 replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase their R12 replacement.
>
> -Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode
>
>
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[robert mueller]

Emery,

The reason I ordered the Frosty Cool was:

A) I had none at my workshop here in Houston

B) I wanted to verify that nothing had changed recently

C) verify your and Dave's emails

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808


-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 11:06 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool

You don’t have to. It didn’t apply to automotive refrigerant.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> G'day,
>
> Two cases of Frosty Cool arrived this afternoon. I did not fill out any paperwork for the EPA.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller]
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:42 AM
> To: 'gmclist'
> Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Duracool
>
> G'day,
>
> Last night after reading this thread I went to:
>
> http://www.frostycool.com/
>
> And ordered two cases (2 x 12 cans) of Frosty Cool which is the SAME formulation as Dura Cool.
>
> I received the following automated response from Frost Cool:
>
> *****************************************************************************************************************
> Thanks for Your Order Your order ID is #9925.
>
> Shipping Address
> Rob Mueller
> c/o John Sharpe
> 25461 Ramrock Drive
> Porter, Texas 77365
> United States
>
> Your Order Contains...
> FrostyCool 12a Refrigerant "18 oz Equivalent"
> 1 case (12 cans) Replacement for R134a
> 12xCans-FC12a
> 2 @ $49.95 USD
> Subtotal: $99.90 USD
> Shipping: $39.90 USD
> Grand Total: $139.80 USD
>
> *****************************************************************************************************************
>
> Dividing $139.80 by 24 comes to $5.83 per can which is cheaper than Dura Cool. John Sharpe and I serviced the dash air in my Avion with Frosty cool about 4 years ago and it still cools just fine.
>
> We also service my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the same time and the results are the same.
>
> I will let the GMCnet know when (and if) the order arrives.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Dave Stragand
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:08 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool
>
> I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/shoppingcart.html
>
> It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22 replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase their R12 replacement.
>
> -Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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[Bruce Hart]

I also got a case of frosty cool with a $20.00 coupon with purchase of
$100. No expiration date on coupon.

On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 5:02 AM, Rob Mueller
wrote:

> Emery,
>
> The reason I ordered the Frosty Cool was:
>
> A) I had none at my workshop here in Houston
>
> B) I wanted to verify that nothing had changed recently
>
> C) verify your and Dave's emails
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Emery
> Stora
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 11:06 PM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool
>
> You don’t have to. It didn’t apply to automotive refrigerant.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
> > On Apr 27, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rob Mueller

> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Two cases of Frosty Cool arrived this afternoon. I did not fill out any
> paperwork for the EPA.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > The Pedantic Mechanic
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> > USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rob Mueller [mailto:robmueller]
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:42 AM
> > To: 'gmclist'
> > Subject: RE: [GMCnet] Duracool
> >
> > G'day,
> >
> > Last night after reading this thread I went to:
> >
> > http://www.frostycool.com/
> >
> > And ordered two cases (2 x 12 cans) of Frosty Cool which is the SAME
> formulation as Dura Cool.
> >
> > I received the following automated response from Frost Cool:
> >
> > ************************************************************
> *****************************************************
> > Thanks for Your Order Your order ID is #9925.
> >
> > Shipping Address
> > Rob Mueller
> > c/o John Sharpe
> > 25461 Ramrock Drive
> > Porter, Texas 77365
> > United States
> >
> > Your Order Contains...
> > FrostyCool 12a Refrigerant "18 oz Equivalent"
> > 1 case (12 cans) Replacement for R134a
> > 12xCans-FC12a
> > 2 @ $49.95 USD
> > Subtotal: $99.90 USD
> > Shipping: $39.90 USD
> > Grand Total: $139.80 USD
> >
> > ************************************************************
> *****************************************************
> >
> > Dividing $139.80 by 24 comes to $5.83 per can which is cheaper than Dura
> Cool. John Sharpe and I serviced the dash air in my Avion with Frosty cool
> about 4 years ago and it still cools just fine.
> >
> > We also service my 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee at the same time and the
> results are the same.
> >
> > I will let the GMCnet know when (and if) the order arrives.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rob M.
> > The Pedantic Mechanic
> > Sydney, Australia
> > AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> > USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> > USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of
> Dave Stragand
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 10:08 AM
> > To: gmclist
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Duracool
> >
> > I just checked Duracool’s website at http://www.duracool.com/ecom/
> shoppingcart.html
> >
> > It looks like the EPA 608 certification is only required for their R22
> replacement. It does not mention needing any certification to purchase
> their R12 replacement.
> >
> > -Dave, near Pittsburgh, ‘78 Transmode
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class

 

[mghamms]

amazon has 12 cans for $59. shipped of this stuff:
Enviro-Safe R134a Replacement Refrigerant with Dye Can 6 oz.
--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts