Dual Gas Tanks

robert teed

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Has anyone separated the Fuel Tanks. Put Fill Tubes
to each tank? Two Gas Gauges ?Wouldnt this make for a better setup.
Then You would know exactly how much gas You have
in each Tank. I think I will do this to my 74 GMC.
Rob Teed
 
Even with isolation and seperate filling there isn't a need for two guages,
only one accurate guage will do. Accuracy is the problem and always was with
GM cars or whatever. I think GM does better now however.
- -----Original Message-----
From: robteed
To: Gmcmotorhome Org
Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 9:20 PM
Subject: Re:GMC: Dual Gas Tanks

>Has anyone separated the Fuel Tanks. Put Fill Tubes
> to each tank? Two Gas Gauges ?Wouldnt this make for a better setup.
> Then You would know exactly how much gas You have
> in each Tank. I think I will do this to my 74 GMC.
> Rob Teed
>
 
Jim,

If my understanding is now correct to use all the fuel I must first let the
main tank run 'till it's dry then switch to the aux. In the past I've
switched when the main got very low but not dry which left unused fuel in
the main tank.

I guess it doesn't make any difference how this system works as long as we
understand how to use it to the max.

Dick

>Sam,
>My computer has been down for several days and I have not been able to get
>on the net, hope this input is not stale.
>
>You are right, the fuel set up is a bit unusual in that there are 2
>tanksbut they only act as one. It would have been better to label the
>switch "aux. fuel on/off" as opposed to main/aux.
>
>The rear tank is the main tank and the pickup for the generator comes off
>it at 1/4 full level. This is done to prevent you from running the beast
>out of fuel with the generator. When the rear tank, which by the way is
>tied to the front tank (aux.) at the 1/4 level as well drops the fuel level
>below the pickup, the generator shuts down. When this happens, you have
>1/4 tank i both tanks. You can run the 1/4 tank out of the rear (main)
>tank then switch to the front (aux.) tank and suck the 1/4 out of it to get
>you to the next gas station.
>
>You need to look at the fuel switch as one tank and think of the "aux."
>position as a 1/8 tank reserve to get you to the next exit if needed. This
>logic will keep you out of getting excercise walking to the next stop. I
>would not rely on the aux. tank except in extreme situations. The 2 tanks
>act as one until the 2/4 level so it is unnecessary to use the switch. I
>have a situation right now on a coach where the customer has had to hoof it
>for fuel and could not figure out what happened. In working with the
>system, I found the front tank would not pick up fuel. The problem eather
>lies in the A/B switch or the pickup filter sock in the tank has colapsed.
>Whatever the problem, when you select "aux." the coach sputteres and shuts
>down. To repair this malidy, I will have to do some more testing and
>probobly drop at least the front tank and check the sock and pickup. My
>suspishion is we will wait until after the Marion rally to do all of that.
>As it is, the coach will have 7/8 of the fuel available and the 1/8 of the
>total that is in the front tank will be unusable.
>
>There has been a great deal of talk about seperating the fills on the fuel
>tanks in the past, but in doing that a dealer would be assuming a great
>deal of liability which in todays "sue me" society would be bad. You would
>probobly pick up better fill characteristics seperating the inlets but as
>weird as it may sound, I like the idea that one pickup can access all but
>1/8 of the available fuel. This way, you are not relying on the fuel A/B
>selector valve to give you access to 1/2 of the fuel. I have seen that
>valve of control circuit fail and seen big trucks act like yo-yo's stopping
>frequently because they could only get at 1 tank.
>
>I said all of that to say, even as unusual as the fuel system is, think of
>the "aux." fuel setting as an emergency reserve only to be used in a thermo
>nuclear exchange and you will not run out of fuel. Let the genny shut down
>at 1/4 tank and remember that 1/4 will drop like a rock because you will
>actually be accessing the 1/8 tank of the main tank while holding back the
>1/8 in the aux. tank for the emergency get along. If you think about it
>that way, it works pretty good.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Jim Bounds www.gmccoop.com
>-----------------------------------------------------

>>Even with isolation and seperate filling there isn't a need for two guages,
>>only one accurate guage will do. Accuracy is the problem and always was with
>>GM cars or whatever. I think GM does better now however.
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: robteed
>>To: Gmcmotorhome Org
>>Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 9:20 PM
>>Subject: Re:GMC: Dual Gas Tanks
>>
>>
>>>Has anyone separated the Fuel Tanks. Put Fill Tubes
>>> to each tank? Two Gas Gauges ?Wouldnt this make for a better setup.
>>> Then You would know exactly how much gas You have
>>> in each Tank. I think I will do this to my 74 GMC.
>>> Rob Teed
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Sam,
My computer has been down for several days and I have not been able to get
on the net, hope this input is not stale.

You are right, the fuel set up is a bit unusual in that there are 2
tanksbut they only act as one. It would have been better to label the
switch "aux. fuel on/off" as opposed to main/aux.

The rear tank is the main tank and the pickup for the generator comes off
it at 1/4 full level. This is done to prevent you from running the beast
out of fuel with the generator. When the rear tank, which by the way is
tied to the front tank (aux.) at the 1/4 level as well drops the fuel level
below the pickup, the generator shuts down. When this happens, you have
1/4 tank i both tanks. You can run the 1/4 tank out of the rear (main)
tank then switch to the front (aux.) tank and suck the 1/4 out of it to get
you to the next gas station.

You need to look at the fuel switch as one tank and think of the "aux."
position as a 1/8 tank reserve to get you to the next exit if needed. This
logic will keep you out of getting excercise walking to the next stop. I
would not rely on the aux. tank except in extreme situations. The 2 tanks
act as one until the 2/4 level so it is unnecessary to use the switch. I
have a situation right now on a coach where the customer has had to hoof it
for fuel and could not figure out what happened. In working with the
system, I found the front tank would not pick up fuel. The problem eather
lies in the A/B switch or the pickup filter sock in the tank has colapsed.
Whatever the problem, when you select "aux." the coach sputteres and shuts
down. To repair this malidy, I will have to do some more testing and
probobly drop at least the front tank and check the sock and pickup. My
suspishion is we will wait until after the Marion rally to do all of that.
As it is, the coach will have 7/8 of the fuel available and the 1/8 of the
total that is in the front tank will be unusable.

There has been a great deal of talk about seperating the fills on the fuel
tanks in the past, but in doing that a dealer would be assuming a great
deal of liability which in todays "sue me" society would be bad. You would
probobly pick up better fill characteristics seperating the inlets but as
weird as it may sound, I like the idea that one pickup can access all but
1/8 of the available fuel. This way, you are not relying on the fuel A/B
selector valve to give you access to 1/2 of the fuel. I have seen that
valve of control circuit fail and seen big trucks act like yo-yo's stopping
frequently because they could only get at 1 tank.

I said all of that to say, even as unusual as the fuel system is, think of
the "aux." fuel setting as an emergency reserve only to be used in a thermo
nuclear exchange and you will not run out of fuel. Let the genny shut down
at 1/4 tank and remember that 1/4 will drop like a rock because you will
actually be accessing the 1/8 tank of the main tank while holding back the
1/8 in the aux. tank for the emergency get along. If you think about it
that way, it works pretty good.

Hope this helps.

Jim Bounds www.gmccoop.com
- -----------------------------------------------------

>Even with isolation and seperate filling there isn't a need for two guages,
>only one accurate guage will do. Accuracy is the problem and always was with
>GM cars or whatever. I think GM does better now however.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: robteed
>To: Gmcmotorhome Org
>Date: Wednesday, August 19, 1998 9:20 PM
>Subject: Re:GMC: Dual Gas Tanks
>
>
>>Has anyone separated the Fuel Tanks. Put Fill Tubes
>> to each tank? Two Gas Gauges ?Wouldnt this make for a better setup.
>> Then You would know exactly how much gas You have
>> in each Tank. I think I will do this to my 74 GMC.
>> Rob Teed
>>
>
>
>
 
Jim, thanks for your explanation of the intended functioning of the dual gas
tanks. Now I am wondering why mine don't work that way.

I purchased my '77 Birchaven from a private party in Omaha and in July drove
it back to Colorado, after diligently studying the Owner's manual. During
the trip I ran the fuel gauge down to almost empty then switched to the AUX
setting of the dash switch, expecting to find a reserve in the AUX tank.
Much to my surprise the gauge did not budge from near-empty! Fortunately, I
was able to re-fuel about 10 miles up the road. It took 42.3 gallons.

Anybody know what happened to my reserve?
 
>Jim, thanks for your explanation of the intended functioning of the dual gas
>tanks. Now I am wondering why mine don't work that way.
>
>I purchased my '77 Birchaven from a private party in Omaha and in July drove
>it back to Colorado, after diligently studying the Owner's manual. During
>the trip I ran the fuel gauge down to almost empty then switched to the AUX
>setting of the dash switch, expecting to find a reserve in the AUX tank.
>Much to my surprise the gauge did not budge from near-empty! Fortunately, I
>was able to re-fuel about 10 miles up the road. It took 42.3 gallons.
>
>Anybody know what happened to my reserve?
>
>
>
>

Our 73 does the same thing, no matter what the switch position, both tanks
fill and empty at the same time. the only thing I can rely on, is when the
Onan stops, its a sure sign, we are down to 1/4 tank, and I,ve waited almost
too long to find a station. :)
 
Assuming that the guages in both tanks are actually indicating properly the
fuel valve not working properly could cause this symptom. If the valve is
acting like a 'T' instead of a switch siphon action would keep the tanks at
equal levels until both were empty. Try removing the valve and see if you
can blow through the side that's supposed to be off.

>From your description you could also just have guages that indicate extra
low. I typically put in about 40 gallons even when not on aux and once
actually put in an even 50 when I badly misjudged some distances. At 42.3
you still had some margin.

This is one of those things which isn't really a problem as long as it's
consistent and you understand what it's doing.

FWIW

Dick

>>Jim, thanks for your explanation of the intended functioning of the dual gas
>>tanks. Now I am wondering why mine don't work that way.
>>
>>I purchased my '77 Birchaven from a private party in Omaha and in July drove
>>it back to Colorado, after diligently studying the Owner's manual. During
>>the trip I ran the fuel gauge down to almost empty then switched to the AUX
>>setting of the dash switch, expecting to find a reserve in the AUX tank.
>>Much to my surprise the gauge did not budge from near-empty! Fortunately, I
>>was able to re-fuel about 10 miles up the road. It took 42.3 gallons.
>>
>>Anybody know what happened to my reserve?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Our 73 does the same thing, no matter what the switch position, both tanks
>fill and empty at the same time. the only thing I can rely on, is when the
>Onan stops, its a sure sign, we are down to 1/4 tank, and I,ve waited almost
>too long to find a station. :)
>
>
>
 
>
>You need to look at the fuel switch as one tank and think of the "aux."
>position as a 1/8 tank reserve to get you to the next exit if needed. This
>logic will keep you out of getting excercise walking to the next stop. I
>would not rely on the aux. tank except in extreme situations. The 2 tanks

>
>I said all of that to say, even as unusual as the fuel system is, think of
>the "aux." fuel setting as an emergency reserve only to be used in a thermo
>nuclear exchange and you will not run out of fuel. Let the genny shut down
>at 1/4 tank and remember that 1/4 will drop like a rock because you will
>actually be accessing the 1/8 tank of the main tank while holding back the
>1/8 in the aux. tank for the emergency get along. If you think about it
>that way, it works pretty good.
>
Good one, Jim. Your post has clarified a lot of troublesome issues for me,
anyway.

As always, best regards.

~ Ritch & Betty Hwang ~ mailto:rhwang
~ =^..^= Trinket ~ the shy Persian kitty
~ 76 GMC Birchaven ~ RVClub 00930 ICQ# 6408591
(B}>
 
>In "pilot" talk...there is such a thing as "usable fuel" which is that
>quantity of fuel you can "flight plan" your mission around.

Also in "pilot talk" is the old axiom: "There is no such thing as running
out of fuel. There is, however, such a thing as refusing to believe that
you have to stop for more".

>I do believe that we make more of this system than we need to.

I agree wholeheartedly Larry. This really is a simple system.

Alan Abell
 
A frightning thing to be sure, I would first have to say that you were
driving an unknown. The coach was new to you and someone may have modified
(rigged) the fuel switch/sender circuit so you never know what you're
looking at.

Check out the circuits to be sure you are looking at different senders,
then go from there.

Jim Bounds www.gmccoop.com
- -----------------------------------

>Jim, thanks for your explanation of the intended functioning of the dual gas
>tanks. Now I am wondering why mine don't work that way.
>
>I purchased my '77 Birchaven from a private party in Omaha and in July drove
>it back to Colorado, after diligently studying the Owner's manual. During
>the trip I ran the fuel gauge down to almost empty then switched to the AUX
>setting of the dash switch, expecting to find a reserve in the AUX tank.
>Much to my surprise the gauge did not budge from near-empty! Fortunately, I
>was able to re-fuel about 10 miles up the road. It took 42.3 gallons.
>
>Anybody know what happened to my reserve?
>
>
>
>
>