It is great to know about the better fluids, but if your running OLD fluid
your having issue with moisture.
Yes water that turns into steam at much lower temp.
Steam is like gas and it will behave that way.
Flush out the old fluid and problem will be solved unless you ride your
brakes.
This issue and proper method of driving going down long hills were big
topic back in 1985.
I’m familiar with Death Valley and most automotive manufactures test brakes
and other components in that area and spend days there.
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 4:59 AM Larry via Gmclist
wrote:
> > > Look at this chart and decide what you want to use. I have used DOT 4
> in everything from my motorcycles to every on road vehicle own or work
> > > on. I have never tried DOT 5.1 . The numbers in this chart are the
> minimum boiling points required to meet the DOT standard.
> > >
> > > Dry boiling point is what you get out of the can.
> > >
> > > Wet boiling point is what you get after the fluid is installed for a
> couple of years and has absorbed some moisture out of the air.
> > >
> > > I suggest that you want the best (highest) wet boiling point that you
> can find.
> > >
> > > I have a cheapy tester (under $10.00) that you can stick in your
> reservoir and measure the amount of that you fluid has absorbed.
> > >
> > >
> https://epicbleedsolutions.com/blogs/faq/whats-the-difference-between-dot-4-and-dot-5-1-brake-fluid#
> >
> > OK, I made you a little chart and added in some other options/ brands.
> For you emailers I have no control on how the columns line up, so I made
> > the chart with the temps first followed by the type / brands in an
> attempt to keep the columns readable for you.
> >
> > Dry(f) Wet(f) Type or brand
> > 401 284 DOT 3
> > 446 311 DOT 4
> > 506 321 Valvoline DOT 4
> > 509 338 Motorcraft DOT 4 Low Viscosity
> > 518 374 DOT 5.1
> > 536 388 ATE type 200 (blue or amber)
> >
> > What you are interested in is the wet boiling point number and ATE is
> still the winner there. It should be cheaper than DOT 5.1 .
> >
> > My thoughts on the subject is you should never be getting the fluid as
> hot as the dry boiling point of DOT 3. So if the moisture is measured at
> > least once a year, then you will know when to change fluid. A higher
> boiling point fluid will not hurt but keeping it dry, testing it
> occasionally,
> > and using the brakes sparingly should eliminate your problem.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/ITEQ-Liquid-Tester-Indicators-Calibrated/dp/B076SC377J/ref=pd_sbs_263_t_0/144-1267831-6760043?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B076SC
> >
> 377J&pd_rd_r=eab66d98-ecb6-4ad7-b83e-77d602e1b52a&pd_rd_w=wcyNM&pd_rd_wg=5uXUf&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_
> > r=3457G2X6SG8DKQTY886S&psc=1&refRID=3457G2X6SG8DKQTY886S
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brake-Fluid-Tester-5-LED-Car-Vehicle-Auto-Automotive-Testing-Tool-For-DOT3-DOT4/262023966485?epid=1763134336&hash=item3d0
> > 1d86f15:g:4KYAAOSwozRZyLLi
>
> Thanks for this Ken. Just a FYI. It should be noted about the ATE Super
> Blue that "It has been determined that ATE Super Blue does not comply with
> the
> applicable US DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard for brake fluid,
> due purely to blue-tint for the color. The federal standard requires motor
> vehicle brake fluid to be colorless or amber in color and distribution of
> super "blue" has been suspended. However, the same Fluid with out the Blue
> tint continues to be available!"
> The ATE is available in Amber. I've been using this for years and switch
> it off with the "Valvoline DOT 4". A little harder to see the Amber come
> through than it was the Blue, but still works. Blue is available IF you
> want to get it shipped from the UK, but is technically illegal to use in
> US.
> JWID
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
your having issue with moisture.
Yes water that turns into steam at much lower temp.
Steam is like gas and it will behave that way.
Flush out the old fluid and problem will be solved unless you ride your
brakes.
This issue and proper method of driving going down long hills were big
topic back in 1985.
I’m familiar with Death Valley and most automotive manufactures test brakes
and other components in that area and spend days there.
On Sat, Feb 15, 2020 at 4:59 AM Larry via Gmclist
wrote:
> > > Look at this chart and decide what you want to use. I have used DOT 4
> in everything from my motorcycles to every on road vehicle own or work
> > > on. I have never tried DOT 5.1 . The numbers in this chart are the
> minimum boiling points required to meet the DOT standard.
> > >
> > > Dry boiling point is what you get out of the can.
> > >
> > > Wet boiling point is what you get after the fluid is installed for a
> couple of years and has absorbed some moisture out of the air.
> > >
> > > I suggest that you want the best (highest) wet boiling point that you
> can find.
> > >
> > > I have a cheapy tester (under $10.00) that you can stick in your
> reservoir and measure the amount of that you fluid has absorbed.
> > >
> > >
> https://epicbleedsolutions.com/blogs/faq/whats-the-difference-between-dot-4-and-dot-5-1-brake-fluid#
> >
> > OK, I made you a little chart and added in some other options/ brands.
> For you emailers I have no control on how the columns line up, so I made
> > the chart with the temps first followed by the type / brands in an
> attempt to keep the columns readable for you.
> >
> > Dry(f) Wet(f) Type or brand
> > 401 284 DOT 3
> > 446 311 DOT 4
> > 506 321 Valvoline DOT 4
> > 509 338 Motorcraft DOT 4 Low Viscosity
> > 518 374 DOT 5.1
> > 536 388 ATE type 200 (blue or amber)
> >
> > What you are interested in is the wet boiling point number and ATE is
> still the winner there. It should be cheaper than DOT 5.1 .
> >
> > My thoughts on the subject is you should never be getting the fluid as
> hot as the dry boiling point of DOT 3. So if the moisture is measured at
> > least once a year, then you will know when to change fluid. A higher
> boiling point fluid will not hurt but keeping it dry, testing it
> occasionally,
> > and using the brakes sparingly should eliminate your problem.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/ITEQ-Liquid-Tester-Indicators-Calibrated/dp/B076SC377J/ref=pd_sbs_263_t_0/144-1267831-6760043?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B076SC
> >
> 377J&pd_rd_r=eab66d98-ecb6-4ad7-b83e-77d602e1b52a&pd_rd_w=wcyNM&pd_rd_wg=5uXUf&pf_rd_p=5cfcfe89-300f-47d2-b1ad-a4e27203a02a&pf_rd_
> > r=3457G2X6SG8DKQTY886S&psc=1&refRID=3457G2X6SG8DKQTY886S
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Brake-Fluid-Tester-5-LED-Car-Vehicle-Auto-Automotive-Testing-Tool-For-DOT3-DOT4/262023966485?epid=1763134336&hash=item3d0
> > 1d86f15:g:4KYAAOSwozRZyLLi
>
> Thanks for this Ken. Just a FYI. It should be noted about the ATE Super
> Blue that "It has been determined that ATE Super Blue does not comply with
> the
> applicable US DOT Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard for brake fluid,
> due purely to blue-tint for the color. The federal standard requires motor
> vehicle brake fluid to be colorless or amber in color and distribution of
> super "blue" has been suspended. However, the same Fluid with out the Blue
> tint continues to be available!"
> The ATE is available in Amber. I've been using this for years and switch
> it off with the "Valvoline DOT 4". A little harder to see the Amber come
> through than it was the Blue, but still works. Blue is available IF you
> want to get it shipped from the UK, but is technically illegal to use in
> US.
> JWID
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>
--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
