Digi Panel saved my 403 once.

Bob Dunahugh

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6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill the radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak in. That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter. Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved because we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only takes a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine. Bob Dunahugh
 
Bob, i have one in the box im going to install. Can you give a rough
estimate of installation time for a handy person?

> 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
> alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
> heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill the
> radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak in.
> That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that
> had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping
> while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
> town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter.
> Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road
> till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved because
> we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your
> choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only takes
> a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine.
> Bob Dunahugh
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I broke an alternator/water pump belt running down the freeway a few years
ago on a 350 Chev in a K5 Blazer. I saw the alternator light come on, and
pulled off the freeway at the next offramp. Maybe a mile at most. Never
made the stop sign. Bad sounds from the underhood area. Thumbed a ride to
nearest parts store, got a belt, installed it, fired it up, and turned it
off. Home via 100 mile tow.
Result: 4 burned pistons, scored cylinder walls. Bottom end was fine.
Moral of the story? It takes almost no time to cook an engine with no
coolant exchange. Seconds, not minutes.
Digipanel alarms save engines if the humans listening react to the
alarms promptly (like RIGHT NOW).
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
> alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
> heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill the
> radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak in.
> That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that
> had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping
> while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
> town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter.
> Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road
> till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved because
> we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your
> choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only takes
> a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine.
> Bob Dunahugh
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If you have EFI with EBL flash, can alarms be set in the programing to
accomplish similar warning? Or is the Digipanel better? EFI w/ EBL is on
my wish list, but I dont have any experience with it yet.

Ken Shaffer
Marion, Iowa
73 GMC Canyonlands (455)

> I broke an alternator/water pump belt running down the freeway a few years
> ago on a 350 Chev in a K5 Blazer. I saw the alternator light come on, and
> pulled off the freeway at the next offramp. Maybe a mile at most. Never
> made the stop sign. Bad sounds from the underhood area. Thumbed a ride to
> nearest parts store, got a belt, installed it, fired it up, and turned it
> off. Home via 100 mile tow.
> Result: 4 burned pistons, scored cylinder walls. Bottom end was fine.
> Moral of the story? It takes almost no time to cook an engine with no
> coolant exchange. Seconds, not minutes.
> Digipanel alarms save engines if the humans listening react to the
> alarms promptly (like RIGHT NOW).
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>

>
> > 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
> > alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
> > heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill
> the
> > radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak
> in.
> > That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that
> > had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping
> > while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
> > town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter.
> > Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road
> > till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved
> because
> > we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your
> > choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only
> takes
> > a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine.
> > Bob Dunahugh
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Ken,
No need to go that way as it probably can be done, but youll need to put up
a monitor panel seperate.

> If you have EFI with EBL flash, can alarms be set in the programing to
> accomplish similar warning? Or is the Digipanel better? EFI w/ EBL is on
> my wish list, but I dont have any experience with it yet.
>
> Ken Shaffer
> Marion, Iowa
> 73 GMC Canyonlands (455)
>
>
>

>
> > I broke an alternator/water pump belt running down the freeway a few
> years
> > ago on a 350 Chev in a K5 Blazer. I saw the alternator light come on, and
> > pulled off the freeway at the next offramp. Maybe a mile at most. Never
> > made the stop sign. Bad sounds from the underhood area. Thumbed a ride to
> > nearest parts store, got a belt, installed it, fired it up, and turned it
> > off. Home via 100 mile tow.
> > Result: 4 burned pistons, scored cylinder walls. Bottom end was
> fine.
> > Moral of the story? It takes almost no time to cook an engine with
> no
> > coolant exchange. Seconds, not minutes.
> > Digipanel alarms save engines if the humans listening react to the
> > alarms promptly (like RIGHT NOW).
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
> >

> >
> > > 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
> > > alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
> > > heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill
> > the
> > > radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak
> > in.
> > > That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone
> that
> > > had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping
> > > while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
> > > town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler
> adapter.
> > > Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the
> road
> > > till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved
> > because
> > > we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine.
> Your
> > > choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only
> > takes
> > > a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine.
> > > Bob Dunahugh
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
The time to install the Digi Panel is about 3 hours as it is a simple hook
up.
You can always call us for additional instructions.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Jim Kanomata
wrote:

> Ken,
> No need to go that way as it probably can be done, but youll need to put
> up a monitor panel seperate.
>
>

>
>> If you have EFI with EBL flash, can alarms be set in the programing to
>> accomplish similar warning? Or is the Digipanel better? EFI w/ EBL is on
>> my wish list, but I dont have any experience with it yet.
>>
>> Ken Shaffer
>> Marion, Iowa
>> 73 GMC Canyonlands (455)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 11:12 AM, James Hupy

>>
>> > I broke an alternator/water pump belt running down the freeway a few
>> years
>> > ago on a 350 Chev in a K5 Blazer. I saw the alternator light come on,
>> and
>> > pulled off the freeway at the next offramp. Maybe a mile at most. Never
>> > made the stop sign. Bad sounds from the underhood area. Thumbed a ride
>> to
>> > nearest parts store, got a belt, installed it, fired it up, and turned
>> it
>> > off. Home via 100 mile tow.
>> > Result: 4 burned pistons, scored cylinder walls. Bottom end was
>> fine.
>> > Moral of the story? It takes almost no time to cook an engine with
>> no
>> > coolant exchange. Seconds, not minutes.
>> > Digipanel alarms save engines if the humans listening react to the
>> > alarms promptly (like RIGHT NOW).
>> > Jim Hupy
>> > Salem, Or
>> > 78 GMC ROYALE 403
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 8:56 AM Bob Dunahugh

>> >
>> > > 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
>> > > alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
>> > > heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill
>> > the
>> > > radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak
>> > in.
>> > > That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone
>> that
>> > > had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose
>> dripping
>> > > while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
>> > > town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler
>> adapter.
>> > > Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the
>> road
>> > > till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved
>> > because
>> > > we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine.
>> Your
>> > > choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only
>> > takes
>> > > a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your
>> engine.
>> > > Bob Dunahugh
>> > > _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
I like the digi panel concept! any plans to integrate an LCD display or as a module for a carputer system?
 
I installed mine in about 2.5 hours. The instructions are good. Hardest part I suppose is going under to install the sensor on a trans pan bolt.
Then tucking everything away neatly.

--
77 Royale, Rear Dry Bath. 403, 3.55 Final Drive, Lenzi goodies, Patterson carb and dizzy.
Mid Michigan
 
Will. It's simpler then it sounds. I located mine to the left of the drivers seat. With the alarm. It's very loud. I rarely look at it. No real need to look. The oil pressure wire hooks up to your stock oil sensor. Engine temp sensor can go under one of the thermostat bolts. Trans temp sensor can go under any trans pan bolt. Plenty of grounding places under the dash. As to 12V. Find a ignition 12 V on at your fuse panel. I put an ignition 12V on fuse panel just under the wiper motor. Use a relay to power the panel by way of a signal wire from the fuse panel behind the glove box. The relay main 12V comes from any large 12V source. I use the 12V panel now to power all kinds of added devices. If your original cruse is no longer used. There is a vacuum hose from the brake pedal. To the floor. Cut that hose off about 1" above/below the floor. Then use that hose as a conduit for your wires. Any questions Contact me.

As to James, and the Blazer. Don't know the temp for the light. And you never know how long the light was on before noticing the light. The Digi Panel alarm comes on at about 200. Well before the destruction begins. To me. The Digi Panel is a MUST HAVE resource. Bob Dunahugh

________________________________
From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:56 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: Digi Panel saved my 403 once.

6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill the radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak in. That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter. Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved because we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only takes a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine. Bob Dunahugh
 
Bob, it was the alternator light. The 1 belt on the chev drives everything.
When the light came on, the water pump quit turning too. Stuff happens
quickly was all I was saying. The digi alarm is a good deal in this case.
Jim Hupy

> Will. It's simpler then it sounds. I located mine to the left of the
> drivers seat. With the alarm. It's very loud. I rarely look at it. No real
> need to look. The oil pressure wire hooks up to your stock oil sensor.
> Engine temp sensor can go under one of the thermostat bolts. Trans temp
> sensor can go under any trans pan bolt. Plenty of grounding places under
> the dash. As to 12V. Find a ignition 12 V on at your fuse panel. I put an
> ignition 12V on fuse panel just under the wiper motor. Use a relay to power
> the panel by way of a signal wire from the fuse panel behind the glove
> box. The relay main 12V comes from any large 12V source. I use the 12V
> panel now to power all kinds of added devices. If your original cruse is
> no longer used. There is a vacuum hose from the brake pedal. To the floor.
> Cut that hose off about 1" above/below the floor. Then use that hose as a
> conduit for your wires. Any questions Contact me.
>
> As to James, and the Blazer. Don't know the temp for the light. And you
> never know how long the light was on before noticing the light. The Digi
> Panel alarm comes on at about 200. Well before the destruction begins. To
> me. The Digi Panel is a MUST HAVE resource. Bob Dunahugh
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bob Dunahugh
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2018 10:56 AM
> To: gmclist
> Subject: Digi Panel saved my 403 once.
>
>
> 6 years ago. We were on an interstate in Alabama.. And the Digi Panel
> alarm went off. Pulled over to see what was up. I could see that the
> heater core was leaking. But only dripping. 1 gal was needed to fill the
> radiator. 11 miles down the road was a truck stop. Put some stop leak in.
> That got us to the GMCMI event. Then back to Iowa. I know of someone that
> had their Digi Panel go off due to the engine oil cooler hose dripping
> while on Interstate 40. He call me as to what to do to get to the next
> town. I told him to remove the oil filter. Then the oil cooler adapter.
> Reinstall the oil filter. Add oil to the full mark. Get back on the road
> till you get back home after your vacation. TWO good engines saved because
> we spent $250 ( I think ) at Applied. Beats $8,000 for an engine. Your
> choice. Some say that they watch their gauges. No you don't. It only takes
> a few mins of watching traffic. AS YOU SHOULD BE. To loose your engine.
> Bob Dunahugh
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The hardest/longest part is deciding where you want to mount it. I cut it into the bottom flat section to the right of the steering column so it took
awhile to get it right. The wiring is the easiest part.

> Bob, i have one in the box im going to install. Can you give a rough
> estimate of installation time for a handy person?

--
Patti & Jerry Burt
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
 
On the 23', I wrapped the trans temp sensor around the return cooling line and clamped it.... worked fine. Mounted the box to the right of the
ammetera (stock dash) I've a DigiPanel in the box to mount over the hole in the center where there was some to me extraneous stuff mounted. It
needs covering and the DigiPanel will be a good fit.

--johnny

--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I'll get her installed this weekend!

On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, 7:15 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> On the 23', I wrapped the trans temp sensor around the return cooling line
> and clamped it.... worked fine. Mounted the box to the right of the
> ammetera (stock dash) I've a DigiPanel in the box to mount over the hole
> in the center where there was some to me extraneous stuff mounted. It
> needs covering and the DigiPanel will be a good fit.
>
> --johnny
>
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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I wrapped the tab on the return pipe and put the connector on top and then wrapped the result in a bit of tape for padding and a small hose clamp to
hold it. In that coach, it always tracked the water temp.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I did the same thing with the trans temp sensor with the same readings. That gives me access to all my connections from above.

> I wrapped the tab on the return pipe and put the connector on top and then wrapped the result in a bit of tape for padding and a small hose clamp
> to hold it. In that coach, it always tracked the water temp.
>
> --johnny

--
Patti & Jerry Burt
73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
77 Palm Beach
Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
 
Sorry for such a silly question... Where is this tube? I'm just not
familiar enough to know it by picturing in my head.

> I did the same thing with the trans temp sensor with the same readings.
> That gives me access to all my connections from above.
>
>

> > I wrapped the tab on the return pipe and put the connector on top and
> then wrapped the result in a bit of tape for padding and a small hose clamp
> > to hold it. In that coach, it always tracked the water temp.
> >
> > --johnny
>
>
> --
> Patti & Jerry Burt
> 73 Gmc 26' Canyon Lands -
> 77 Palm Beach
> Members: FMCA - GMCMI - GMCWS
>
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Silly questions get silly answers. Reasonable questions, like yours, get reasonable answers.

There are two metal tubes going to the lower cooler in your radiator (The upper two are to the oil cooler) This on the passenger side. The two tubes
cross along the radiator frame and then turn up. The one connected to the second fitting up on the radiator out of four is the transmission cooler
return line. Follow it and find a space where you can put the temp sensor on it which is out of the way of moving stuff. If you want the temp
entering the cooler, measure the temp of the lower line.

--johnny.
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
And I thank you very much!

On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:37 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> Silly questions get silly answers. Reasonable questions, like yours, get
> reasonable answers.
>
> There are two metal tubes going to the lower cooler in your radiator (The
> upper two are to the oil cooler) This on the passenger side. The two tubes
> cross along the radiator frame and then turn up. The one connected to the
> second fitting up on the radiator out of four is the transmission cooler
> return line. Follow it and find a space where you can put the temp sensor
> on it which is out of the way of moving stuff. If you want the temp
> entering the cooler, measure the temp of the lower line.
>
> --johnny.
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
>
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Though you do bring up an interesting topic. Would you recommend the return
line as the sensor point vs the input? Wouldn't connecting to the
transmission pan provide a similar value to that of the temp entering the
cooler, and as such, the lower line is more accurate a proxy?

Or is it splitting hairs?

> And I thank you very much!
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 8:37 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
>> Silly questions get silly answers. Reasonable questions, like yours, get
>> reasonable answers.
>>
>> There are two metal tubes going to the lower cooler in your radiator (The
>> upper two are to the oil cooler) This on the passenger side. The two tubes
>> cross along the radiator frame and then turn up. The one connected to the
>> second fitting up on the radiator out of four is the transmission cooler
>> return line. Follow it and find a space where you can put the temp
>> sensor on it which is out of the way of moving stuff. If you want the temp
>> entering the cooler, measure the temp of the lower line.
>>
>> --johnny.
>> --
>> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
>> me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>>
>>
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> Sorry for such a silly question... Where is this tube? I'm just not
> familiar enough to know it by picturing in my head.

Will,

Come by in the next few days and I can point it out to you while the driveline is out in full view.

Matt
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