Day-nite shades and headliner

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richard dobson

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OK, I'm sure you have done this many times, but I'm new. Where is a good
source for day-nite shades, seems like someone in the group does this.
Also what do you do for the edges to make them curve with the coach.
I think I want some fabric headliner like you see in the new coaches,
kind of soft row like material. Should I try to take down the door
sheeting like wood in ceiling, how hard is it to take down the
cupboards.Should I try to take down the little quarter round strips or
will I tear them up and screw up the wood around them. This coach has
beautiful wood in it and I don't want to screw it up. Is there some
spray contact cement better than others that will stand the Florida
heat. This is a start.
I'm beginning to like my '78 Royale more. dick d
 
For Window Shades:
Guske Sales
1303 23rd St
Port Huron, MI 48060
810-987-5788

I think they also handle the exterior sun shades. Ask about headliner
material also.

bdub

>OK, I'm sure you have done this many times, but I'm new. Where is a good
>source for day-nite shades, seems like someone in the group does this.
>Also what do you do for the edges to make them curve with the coach.
>I think I want some fabric headliner like you see in the new coaches,
>kind of soft row like material. Should I try to take down the door
>sheeting like wood in ceiling, how hard is it to take down the
>cupboards.Should I try to take down the little quarter round strips or
>will I tear them up and screw up the wood around them. This coach has
>beautiful wood in it and I don't want to screw it up. Is there some
>spray contact cement better than others that will stand the Florida
>heat. This is a start.
>I'm beginning to like my '78 Royale more. dick d
 
Richard
The headliner material you describe is exactly what I used. I think it
is available at a commercial wall paper shop. The company I used to
work for put it on all their conference room walls.

I took down all the cabinets. Not too bad a job, but you might need a
hand with the larger ones. Arch has some good photos on his Photoprint
site. I believe that Gene also has a description on his site. You
might also check the gmcws site as well.

I used the old piesces as a template the insalled the new headliner over
a Lunan door skin material. It is light and pretty flexible. I used
the 3M spray adhesive to attach the fabric. I beliieve I primed the
luan prior to applying the adhesive.

Be sure to insulate everything when the ceiling is open.

The project took two of us (my son and me) most of a weekend, but it was
well worth it. If you have any more question, just let me know.

Eric Tipton
etipton

- -----Original Message-----
From: Richard J. Dobson [mailto:fasterglas]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:01 AM
To: gmcmotorhome-d
Subject: GMC: Day-nite shades and headliner

OK, I'm sure you have done this many times, but I'm new. Where is a good
source for day-nite shades, seems like someone in the group does this.
Also what do you do for the edges to make them curve with the coach.
I think I want some fabric headliner like you see in the new coaches,
kind of soft row like material. Should I try to take down the door
sheeting like wood in ceiling, how hard is it to take down the
cupboards.Should I try to take down the little quarter round strips or
will I tear them up and screw up the wood around them. This coach has
beautiful wood in it and I don't want to screw it up. Is there some
spray contact cement better than others that will stand the Florida
heat. This is a start.
I'm beginning to like my '78 Royale more. dick d
 
>I used the old piesces as a template the insalled the new headliner over
>a Lunan door skin material. It is light and pretty flexible. I used
>the 3M spray adhesive to attach the fabric. I beliieve I primed the
>luan prior to applying the adhesive.

You also want to be careful of any folded/bent portions of the headliner.
In our Palm Beach several of the original headliner pieces were bent from
hitting brackets etc. This caused luan pieces to not fit correctly because
the original headliner would deform to accomadate the brackets but luan
stops dead. Not a big problem but a big hassle.

Henry
 
The Day-Nite shades are not hard to come by. Most dealers or service centers
have them, but Guske Sales is probably the best price.

On the headliner; I used a very light weight (14oz) indoor/outdoor carpet glued
directly to the Luann ceiling. Should be there forever. The problem with
automotive headliners is the foam backing, it deterirates in the Florida heat
and starts coming down. Did not remove the cabinets, a real tough job in a
Coachmen interior. Just made a tight fit all around and finished off with some
quarter-round moulding.

Don Ogden
 
Subject: RE: GMC: Day-nite shades and headliner

, how hard is it to take down the
> cupboards.
dick d

I regards to reinstalling the cupboards. (We haven't done it yet but someday
when new headliner goes up.)
I understand that if you insert a threaded rod into the old screw holes that
hold the cabinet to the wall or ceiling then you can line up the other screw
holes much easier to get screws in and started.
Mind you this is just what I read somewhere.
Marlene Meineken
 
If you take them down, have two friends hold on to them as you remove the bolts.
They are quite heavy. Darren

> Subject: RE: GMC: Day-nite shades and headliner
>
> , how hard is it to take down the
> > cupboards.
> dick d
>
> I regards to reinstalling the cupboards. (We haven't done it yet but someday
> when new headliner goes up.)
> I understand that if you insert a threaded rod into the old screw holes that
> hold the cabinet to the wall or ceiling then you can line up the other screw
> holes much easier to get screws in and started.
> Mind you this is just what I read somewhere.
> Marlene Meineken

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Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
http://www.TZEplus.com
 
Hi David

How does Jim Bounds do this? I have
been holding off on this because of
the cabinets. Is this method in any
of the web sites.

Bob Morris
Cortland NY 13045
74 Elganza SE
jayhawk

> Jim Bounds has developed a way of installing blinds and shades without
> removing the cabinets. If you install day/nite shades you should do it
> this way cause, in my experience you will be taking them down for
> restringing from time to time.
>
> Dave Greenberg
> GMC Motorhome Registry
>
 
On Fri, 26 May 2000 14:26:56 -0700 "Tipton, Eric"

> I took down all the cabinets. Not too bad a job, but you might need
> a hand with the larger ones.

Jim Bounds has developed a way of installing blinds and shades without
removing the cabinets. If you install day/nite shades you should do it
this way cause, in my experience you will be taking them down for
restringing from time to time.

Dave Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
 
On Sat, 27 May 2000 08:05:36 -0400 "Robert Morris"
writes:
> Hi David
>
> How does Jim Bounds do this? I have
> been holding off on this because of
> the cabinets. Is this method in any
> of the web sites.
>
> Bob Morris
> Cortland NY 13045
> 74 Elganza SE
> jayhawk
> I would suggest you to call Jim. I may not get it right. Basically, he
fastens the blinds to two verticle valances with a pop rivet on each end
at the top.

Then he mounts the lower ends to the "L" brackets with pop rivets..Then
mounts the upper ends to the "L" brackets with rivets.

This is the best I can do, sorry!

Dave Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
 
> How does Jim Bounds do this? Hi Bob, Last year I installed the Geske
> shades in our '75 Avion without removing the cabinets! The PO had
> installes\d curtains by using a hole saw to drill ~ 2" holes in the back
> wall of the cabinets aligned with the mounting area for the hardware. I
> uses these openings for my install and then screwed plywood covers over
> the openings. I'm happy with the project. It was quick and simple.

Skip in wet western Maryland
 
Richard,

Boy, alote of questions, but thats good, you are thinking!!

I really try and stay away from day/night shades. The corrigations in the
material will not hold the material straight on the large windows and they
really get & show dirt easily. If you still want them, I have used "Hunter
Douglas" brand shades. They are kinda expensive (@ 2 1/2 times that of
1/2" micro mini blinds).

You say you have wood, is your coach a "Royale"? If so, the headliner is a
%@*^!. You do need to drop the overheads and they are not nearly as easy
as a standard floor plan coach. You must also cut out the headliner panel
around the main wall fixtures becase the headliner panel was put in first &
it is behind the fixture. Because of this, we are forced to charge more
labor time for the job.

I use "Landau top contact adhesive". It has a higher temp. range and will
hold when standard contact adhesive lets go from the heat. I pick it up in
5 gal. containers.

I hate to use trim opting to pull stuff out, but sometimes trim is needed.
It's kinda as needed call.

The quality of any job is in the time taken to correctly handle the
details. Short cuts show!!! This is the trouble with our business. Do
not fall into that trap.

Good luck, if I can be of help, please let me know

Jim Bounds
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>OK, I'm sure you have done this many times, but I'm new. Where is a good
>source for day-nite shades, seems like someone in the group does this.
>Also what do you do for the edges to make them curve with the coach.
>I think I want some fabric headliner like you see in the new coaches,
>kind of soft row like material. Should I try to take down the door
>sheeting like wood in ceiling, how hard is it to take down the
>cupboards.Should I try to take down the little quarter round strips or
>will I tear them up and screw up the wood around them. This coach has
>beautiful wood in it and I don't want to screw it up. Is there some
>spray contact cement better than others that will stand the Florida
>heat. This is a start.
>I'm beginning to like my '78 Royale more. dick d
>
>
>
Jim Bounds/Co-op Motor Works Orlando www.gmccoop.com
 
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