dash AC compressor nightmare (long-winded)....

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Greg:

Your noise sounds suspiciously like a belt tightness problem to me.
Particullarly if you notice it every time the compressor clutch cycles on.
Most likely, high head pressure in the compressor causes sufficient
resistance duting each start-up cycle.

If I remember correctly, my system does not have the orifice tube (it's
actually a very small diameter conical screen inserted inside the tubing)you
mention. I believe it usually goes in the fitting attaching to the outlet
side of the dryer.

What was your source and part number for the dryer you purchased??

As far as your trip is concerned, you may be better off heading for home and
run the generator so you can then run the rooftop A/C unit. Doing that vs.
the loss in both mileage and engine power running the engine driven A/C
compressor, are reportedly about break even. That way you could have
someone at home you trust fix it and not be at the mercy of the unknown's
while you're on the road.

Paul

From: GONEMAD5
Sent: 7/3/99 9:49 PM
Subject: GMC: dash AC compressor nightmare (long-winded)....

Help! When i bought my GMC back in October, i knew that the dash AC had
not
been operational for a while, and the compressor was diagnosed as the
problem... So, about a month ago I had a rebuilt NAPA compressor put
in,
charged with R12 and everything was COOL... for about 200 miles until i

heard a squeal sometimes when the AC was on, going over bumps... I
thought
it was the belt, but later found out that the clutch on the compressor
had
gone bad. Of course, now i was 2,500 miles from the shop that had done
the
job for me, but at least the NAPA compressor was guaranteed. So, i
found a
local shop that could do the swap and R12 evac/recharge for me, went to
get
another NAPA rebuild, as well as an evaporator/dryer (which i was now
told
after-the-fact should have been done the first time). So now once
again,
everything worked fine until about 200 miles later ....i'm hearing the
beginnings of the squeal of death. In the midst of a holiday weekend
i'm
unable to get anything happening until Tuesday, but i have a few obvious

questions:
1) what could be the cause? (too much of a coincidence to blame the NAPA

part)? i'm now told after-the-fact (part 3), that you're also supposed
to
change the orifice tube when changing a compressor. Is this common
practice?
if so, then why didn't either of my 2 AC service shops advise me of
this?
any chance i could find this part local without having to special order?

Also told that perhaps the oil wasn't refilled to the proper level, or
perhaps too much freon was added, which would result in too much
pressure for
the compressor.
2) Is the compressor clutch perhaps able to be saved this time since i
caught
the squeal early and stopped using the AC?
3) I'm guessing that it must be the oil level that's the culprit. i
imagine
that when my old original compressor was taken out, the oil level could
have
been very low, and the mechanic just took a wild guess at how much to
add
(?). then, the 2nd mechanic just copied the previous level. What's the
rule
of thumb here?
(4) I was able to locate and pick-up a 4 Season's compressor right
before all
the shops closed on Saturday, and in case this last NAPA compressor is
fried,
does anybody have anything good or bad to say about 4 Season's?
Thanks in advance for any advice! I was supposed to leave 4 days ago,
heading back from Boston to LA... Don't want to even consider this long
solo
drive w/o dash AC!
regards,
Greg
78 Eleganza II
 
Greg,

I, too, had a NAPA compressor installed recently and after 500 miles noticed a
chirping sound whenever I fired up the engine while the A/C dash control was on
A/C. It turned out to be a slipping belt. The 70-80 lbs tension called for in
the service manual is not sufficient to prevent a little slippage during rpm
transients or engagement of the clutch. I had to go to 90-95lbs (measured with
the little NAPA belt tension gauge).

BTW the new compressor was shipped dry and I have been wondering if the bearings
could have been scuffed during the charge process, as the tech did not add a
little oil to the compressor and spin it by hand prior to hooking up the hoses.
He just added oil with the refrig. charge, which would have had to migrate to
the compressor and pool there before lubrication could begin.

Richard
 
Hi Greg,

Go to "http://www.gmcws.org/" ( GMC Western States home page and look up Service.

HTH
Skip Newhouse
'75 Avion
western MD

> (...and regarding my drive home, "home" for me is now going to be the L.A.
> area, but since i'm in the process of moving there, I have no info on a good
> GMC mechanic near L.A..... anybody have any referrals?)
>
> thanks again,
> Greg
 
Greg:

I find that when I run the rooftop A/C unit while driving, I must rotate the
air direction control knob on the A/C panel so that more air comes out the
front regeister, to feel cool while driving.

On page 3, Issue 43 of the GMCMI Newsletter, it metions that the Onan uses
~0.7 of a gallon of gas per hout while operating one rooftop A/C unit.

Paul Bartz

From: GONEMAD5
Sent: 7/4/99 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: dash AC compressor nightmare (long-winded)....

>>What was your source and part number for the dryer you purchased??

Cinnabar had the part in stock, and its listed as "item no. 3046236" on
the
receipt. No other identification visible on the part itself, now that
its
installed in place... sorry.

>>run the generator so you can then run the rooftop A/C unit. Doing
that vs.
the loss in both mileage and engine power running the engine driven A/C
compressor, are reportedly about break even. That way you could have
someone at home you trust fix it and not be at the mercy of the
unknown's
while you're on the road.

Well, the roof AC seems to be OK for cooling the mid-section of the
coach,
but really does nothing for me when the sun is beating down thru that
big
greenhouse windshield :) But this brings up an interesting point that i
keep
forgeting to ask:
Has anyone calculated the approximate MPG (minutes per gallon) that
average
Onan use results in? i have the 6k version.

(...and regarding my drive home, "home" for me is now going to be the
L.A.
area, but since i'm in the process of moving there, I have no info on a
good
GMC mechanic near L.A..... anybody have any referrals?)

thanks again,
Greg